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Sep 8 2015, 06:50
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Superlatanium
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QUOTE(jacquelope @ Sep 8 2015, 04:24)  What might be your cost of getting this to LVL 10 and would it be worth it? http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=930bce18c1Also what about this shield which I am looking to donate to a newb? http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=ebe9e2d28dI need the first one as a backup while I try to IW this bad boy to LVL 10: http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=ec297a1610Total_runs = RoundUp[ 1000 * ((1 + PXP_for_level_1 / 1000)^10 - 1) / (Equipment_rounds * 16) ] Total_runs = RoundUp[ 1000 * ((1 + 319 / 1000)^10 - 1) / (49?? * 16) ] = 20 for the 319 PXP one. 20 * 16 * 49?? * 15 = 235k. Total_runs = RoundUp[ 1000 * ((1 + 336 / 1000)^10 - 1) / (62?? * 16) ] = 18 for the 338 PXP one. 18 * 16 * 62?? * 15 = 268k. IWing shields only gives elemental resistance, no Juggernaut, so the benefit is quite minimal overall, especially compared to IWing armor. IMO, it's not worth it until a player is level 300+ and is using a shield worth forging to 10+ - and even then, better to do it yourself than to spend money for something that can't even give Juggernaut. Well, maybe one would IW before then, if daily arenas have been finished and one wants to play more (since grindfest won't give you much in return either).
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Sep 8 2015, 06:50
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RibbonsCan
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It probably isn't worth the cost of paying someone to iw those items. I wouldn't bother with IWing armour until 280.
Can you do hell mode in 15 minutes or so? If not, don't bother, it's gonna take a long while. Focus on getting a rapier to 10 first, if that isn't already done.
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Sep 8 2015, 08:28
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jacquelope
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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Sep 7 2015, 21:50)  Total_runs = RoundUp[ 1000 * ((1 + PXP_for_level_1 / 1000)^10 - 1) / (Equipment_rounds * 16) ] Total_runs = RoundUp[ 1000 * ((1 + 319 / 1000)^10 - 1) / (49?? * 16) ] = 20 for the 319 PXP one. 20 * 16 * 49?? * 15 = 235k. Total_runs = RoundUp[ 1000 * ((1 + 336 / 1000)^10 - 1) / (62?? * 16) ] = 18 for the 338 PXP one. 18 * 16 * 62?? * 15 = 268k.
IWing shields only gives elemental resistance, no Juggernaut, so the benefit is quite minimal overall, especially compared to IWing armor. IMO, it's not worth it until a player is level 300+ and is using a shield worth forging to 10+ - and even then, better to do it yourself than to spend money for something that can't even give Juggernaut.
Well, maybe one would IW before then, if daily arenas have been finished and one wants to play more (since grindfest won't give you much in return either).
Ok, IWing shields are impractical for now. And you need tons of Amnesia shards to get Jugg 5 on armor, right? (Why is there no facepalm smiley?) QUOTE(RibbonsCan @ Sep 7 2015, 21:50)  It probably isn't worth the cost of paying someone to iw those items. I wouldn't bother with IWing armour until 280.
Can you do hell mode in 15 minutes or so? If not, don't bother, it's gonna take a long while. Focus on getting a rapier to 10 first, if that isn't already done.
My rapier is ultra uber, my offense is still rock solid. I could use a 1200 damage rapier but I am not even at the level to wield such a beast. Which is part of my main problem... What I need is a backup set of heavy armor and shields so I can IW one set and improve it. But I see improving shields at my level is impractical, so next is armor. But at L250 I'm in the donut hole, it seems - the droppings in Bazaar are way too sucky for me, and if I want armor of the quality I have now, what's left in WTS-land is ~L350+ and usually 1M+ Credits apiece. No LU armor remaining in WTS will match what I have at any price which probably means if I did find a backup set for myself, due to its now extreme rarity, I'm making it way harder for newbs who might also benefit from that armor. So basically my dreams of high profit IWBTF/PFUDOR TTT/EoD/TKaG Arena runs are on hold. With what I'm wearing, I.Will. Die. Probably in the last round against 10 mobs which have boss mobs. My armor so far: http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=9e16698e7bhttp://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=ad7501e5d8http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=4eab5dd1fahttp://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=0bc69b431dhttp://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=3b0580b536
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Sep 8 2015, 09:54
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Void Domain
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QUOTE(jacquelope @ Sep 8 2015, 14:28)  Ok, IWing shields are impractical for now. And you need tons of Amnesia shards to get Jugg 5 on armor, right? (Why is there no facepalm smiley?) My rapier is ultra uber, my offense is still rock solid. I could use a 1200 damage rapier but I am not even at the level to wield such a beast. Which is part of my main problem... What I need is a backup set of heavy armor and shields so I can IW one set and improve it. But I see improving shields at my level is impractical, so next is armor. But at L250 I'm in the donut hole, it seems - the droppings in Bazaar are way too sucky for me, and if I want armor of the quality I have now, what's left in WTS-land is ~L350+ and usually 1M+ Credits apiece. No LU armor remaining in WTS will match what I have at any price which probably means if I did find a backup set for myself, due to its now extreme rarity, I'm making it way harder for newbs who might also benefit from that armor. So basically my dreams of high profit IWBTF/PFUDOR TTT/EoD/TKaG Arena runs are on hold. With what I'm wearing, I.Will. Die. Probably in the last round against 10 mobs which have boss mobs. My armor so far: http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=9e16698e7bhttp://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=ad7501e5d8http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=4eab5dd1fahttp://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=0bc69b431dhttp://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=3b0580b536IW gain on armor is minimal and you should do it last. You just need more block and parry for arena. You can try to find a buckler of barrier with high base block and upgrade the block to 25. Its cheaper than to upgrade a force shield.
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Sep 8 2015, 09:58
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Superlatanium
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QUOTE(jacquelope @ Sep 8 2015, 06:28)  My rapier is ultra uber, my offense is still rock solid. I could use a 1200 damage rapier but I am not even at the level to wield such a beast. Which is part of my main problem...
What I need is a backup set of heavy armor and shields so I can IW one set and improve it. But I see improving shields at my level is impractical, so next is armor. But at L250 I'm in the donut hole, it seems - the droppings in Bazaar are way too sucky for me, and if I want armor of the quality I have now, what's left in WTS-land is ~L350+ and usually 1M+ Credits apiece. No LU armor remaining in WTS will match what I have at any price
which probably means if I did find a backup set for myself, due to its now extreme rarity, I'm making it way harder for newbs who might also benefit from that armor. Unless you want to play just for the hell of it - probably only consider IW as something worth doing if it's an equip you'll be using until at least level 370 (for you). That is, a keeper item - almost certainly Power Slaughter or 0.82+ Power Protection, something that you'll also (eventually) forge to 5 (DMMs are expensive, just like amnesia shards, just like IW costs in general). Also, for IW, there's no need to search for a backup set - just use whatever you have in your inventory of high quality of the same armor type. Getting separate equips for all slots just for IW is too costly for something you'll likely only use once.
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Sep 8 2015, 11:52
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nec1986
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How much ed chance was reduced? For last 87 shrine i got 13,79% (a bit unlucky i think).
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Sep 8 2015, 12:09
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(nec1986 @ Sep 8 2015, 11:52)  How much ed chance was reduced? For last 87 shrine i got 13,79% (a bit unlucky i think).
quite unlucky, yes. but i know that feel, until a couple of weeks ago when i shrined 6-7 artifacts i was almost sure to find 2 EDs, now 1 if i'm lucky. just wondering, are your PABs from artifacts already maxed?
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Sep 8 2015, 12:35
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holy_demon
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QUOTE(nec1986 @ Sep 8 2015, 19:52)  How much ed chance was reduced? For last 87 shrine i got 13,79% (a bit unlucky i think).
I have shrined 2000 artifacts since this patch and i got 396ED. So it's a 0.198 rate. In the period before 0.83 and after happy pill removal, the rate was 0.2136 with a sample size of 2500. The rate was 0.20525 when happy pill was still in the drop table. So, slightly nerfed, or more accurately, adjusted to match pre-happy-pill-removall rate? This post has been edited by holy_demon: Sep 8 2015, 12:38
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Sep 8 2015, 12:50
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nec1986
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Oh, 20% is still good. I expected 15%. QUOTE(Scremaz @ Sep 8 2015, 13:09)  just wondering, are your PABs from artifacts already maxed?
Mostly yes, but 3 is still 38 and one is 37. Its not very common to get stat. This post has been edited by nec1986: Sep 8 2015, 12:52
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Sep 8 2015, 13:16
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Void Domain
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QUOTE(holy_demon @ Sep 8 2015, 18:35)  I have shrined 2000 artifacts since this patch and i got 396ED. So it's a 0.198 rate. In the period before 0.83 and after happy pill removal, the rate was 0.2136 with a sample size of 2500. The rate was 0.20525 when happy pill was still in the drop table.
So, slightly nerfed, or more accurately, adjusted to match pre-happy-pill-removall rate?
Just a static 20% to me, not nerfed.
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Sep 8 2015, 13:41
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jacquelope
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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Sep 8 2015, 00:58)  Unless you want to play just for the hell of it - probably only consider IW as something worth doing if it's an equip you'll be using until at least level 370 (for you). That is, a keeper item - almost certainly Power Slaughter or 0.82+ Power Protection, something that you'll also (eventually) forge to 5 (DMMs are expensive, just like amnesia shards, just like IW costs in general).
Also, for IW, there's no need to search for a backup set - just use whatever you have in your inventory of high quality of the same armor type. Getting separate equips for all slots just for IW is too costly for something you'll likely only use once.
Maybe I should just be looking for legendary upgrades of what I have. Just haven't seen any in my price or level range. I thought my best bet was Power Warding, wasn't it? Or a mix of Protection and Warding?
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Sep 8 2015, 13:56
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Superlatanium
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QUOTE(jacquelope @ Sep 8 2015, 11:41)  Maybe I should just be looking for legendary upgrades of what I have. Just haven't seen any in my price or level range. I thought my best bet was Power Warding, wasn't it? Or a mix of Protection and Warding? All Slaughter is best, followed by either Power Protection or Power Balance, followed by Power Warding. The vast majority of damage taken is physical, I think 85% or so, and that percentage only gets bigger the higher level you are. So although Warding Mmit bonus is somewhat higher than Protection Pmit bonus, the Pmit is worth a lot more. And, of course, better damage output is nicer than better defense, so Slaughter comes before any of those, if you can manage to find it. If a good Slaughter is even a remote possibility (even if it would cost many soul fragments), it's worth saving up for, if the alternative is half-assing it with something ok worth 200k or 250k but isn't quite worth forging/IW. Too costly for something that's only a short term investment. After credits, soul fragments may be your limiting factor, so patience + REs may be the best thing. Remember that quality tier like Legendary isn't necessarily the best - you have to look at the relevant stats, like ADB, Pmit, PABs. A certain cheaper Magnificent might be just as good as a Legendary whose important stats are similar. I'm still using 2 Exquisites.
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Sep 8 2015, 14:51
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Cleavs
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i never noted it before, but it seems MP cost reduction while in Spirit Stance does affect IA spells as well (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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Sep 8 2015, 15:09
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izpekopon
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hi im relatively new to the game, currently using DW and light shade armor, my current stat allocation is str = agi > dex = vit = wis = level > int. i need advise on transitioning into 1h+shield. what type of armor would be advised, light or heavy armor and what would be a good stat allocation for 1h+shield. Thanks.
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Sep 8 2015, 15:17
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Superlatanium
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QUOTE(izpekopon @ Sep 8 2015, 13:09)  hi im relatively new to the game, currently using DW and light shade armor, my current stat allocation is str = agi > dex = vit = wis = level > int. i need advise on transitioning into 1h+shield. what type of armor would be advised, light or heavy armor and what would be a good stat allocation for 1h+shield. Thanks Transferring to 1h is a very good idea. You can use either light or heavy armor. Light armor is probably easier due to lower mana cost and less threat from magic SP attacks before you have some AP in Spirit Shield. It's also easier to stick with your current armor style than to change. Using shade armor means you get 0 piercing mitigation for that slot, and some 45% of physical attacks are Piercing. That's quite a disadvantage, and Shade's ADB/Evade isn't worth giving up that much defense. Leather armor will be easier to use. (Leather also means less evade, which means more 1h counter-attacks and stuns) Try Dex = Str = End = Wis > (Level = Agi) >>> Int. Agility doesn't help a whole lot. Eventually, once you reach level 250 or so, you'll probably find you have more than enough defense, so you'll want equips with good offensive stats. For that, heavy Power is the best by far - but you can wait quite a while before thinking about offense more than defense.
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Sep 8 2015, 15:19
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jacquelope
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QUOTE(izpekopon @ Sep 8 2015, 06:09)  hi im relatively new to the game, currently using DW and light shade armor, my current stat allocation is str = agi > dex = vit = wis = level > int. i need advise on transitioning into 1h+shield. what type of armor would be advised, light or heavy armor and what would be a good stat allocation for 1h+shield. Thanks.
I'm offering a free Power Shield for players at and around your level, BTW. See my WTS thread in my sig. BTW for 1H weapons, I have an Ethereal Rapier of Slaughter. I would greatly recommend you get that kind of weapon. QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Sep 8 2015, 04:56)  All Slaughter is best, followed by either Power Protection or Power Balance, followed by Power Warding. The vast majority of damage taken is physical, I think 85% or so, and that percentage only gets bigger the higher level you are. So although Warding Mmit bonus is somewhat higher than Protection Pmit bonus, the Pmit is worth a lot more. And, of course, better damage output is nicer than better defense, so Slaughter comes before any of those, if you can manage to find it. If a good Slaughter is even a remote possibility (even if it would cost many soul fragments), it's worth saving up for, if the alternative is half-assing it with something ok worth 200k or 250k but isn't quite worth forging/IW. Too costly for something that's only a short term investment.
After credits, soul fragments may be your limiting factor, so patience + REs may be the best thing.
Remember that quality tier like Legendary isn't necessarily the best - you have to look at the relevant stats, like ADB, Pmit, PABs. A certain cheaper Magnificent might be just as good as a Legendary whose important stats are similar. I'm still using 2 Exquisites.
Power Slaughter and Power Protection, now that's speaking my language. Someone told me that Warding was a superior choice and I had a feeling I was better off with Protection. This post has been edited by jacquelope: Sep 8 2015, 15:24
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Sep 8 2015, 15:24
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izpekopon
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so for a start i should switch over from shade armor to just regular light leather armor? tyvm.
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Sep 8 2015, 15:26
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izpekopon
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QUOTE(jacquelope @ Sep 8 2015, 21:19)  I'm offering a free Power Shield for players at and around your level, BTW. See my WTS thread in my sig.
BTW for 1H weapons, I have an Ethereal Rapier of Slaughter. I would greatly recommend you get that kind of weapon. Power Slaughter and Power Protection, now that's speaking my language. Someone told me that Warding was a superior choice and I had a feeling I was better off with Protection.
i currently using a exq ethereal rapier of slaughter, am lacking a shield. could i take u up on that free shield offer? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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Sep 8 2015, 15:31
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jacquelope
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QUOTE(izpekopon @ Sep 8 2015, 06:26)  i currently using a exq ethereal rapier of slaughter, am lacking a shield. could i take u up on that free shield offer? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) By all means, check your MM.
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