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Sep 5 2015, 12:02
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jacquelope
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QUOTE(Fap.Fap @ Sep 5 2015, 02:31)  not really something new ^^ just 1 more legendary in the later rounds, so with luck more trophies and thats all ^^ just play those arena's on HARD if you dont want to waste your time.
I get consternated about what diff level to play those on. I am crazy profitable up to Hell diff (but then I get into serious pots and even elixirs at Nintendo) for End of Days if Channeled happens often enough to me, and the EXP gain is crazy high. But as you said, Hard diff is way, way faster. I don't play under 79 Stamina yet - I'm still in that "want every last drop of EXP I can get" stage of my HV life. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) Plus I have a wife and kids, and that Stamina limiter makes me have to get up and walk away and tend to my family.
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Sep 5 2015, 12:23
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Fap.Fap
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QUOTE(jacquelope @ Sep 5 2015, 12:02)  I get consternated about what diff level to play those on. I am crazy profitable up to Hell diff (but then I get into serious pots and even elixirs at Nintendo) for End of Days if Channeled happens often enough to me, and the EXP gain is crazy high. But as you said, Hard diff is way, way faster. I don't play under 79 Stamina yet - I'm still in that "want every last drop of EXP I can get" stage of my HV life. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) Plus I have a wife and kids, and that Stamina limiter makes me have to get up and walk away and tend to my family. at first I always wanted to keep my Stamina under 80 to Not receive the 100% exp bonus... the faster iam the less credits i will gain .. thus the equipment wont match the strength of the enemies anymore.. but now its more like i cant even reach 70-80 Stamina within the week anymore ( thanks work ^^ ) if you play the trio and the tree on Nintendo is perfectly fine, in that round there are much more mobs from which you can drop something, thats why doing the other 2 arenas in Hard is just fine its rather just for the trophies and the credits and starting with HARD you can gain Amnesia shards.
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Sep 5 2015, 12:38
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Superlatanium
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QUOTE(jacquelope @ Sep 5 2015, 10:02)  I get consternated about what diff level to play those on. I am crazy profitable up to Hell diff (but then I get into serious pots and even elixirs at Nintendo) for End of Days if Channeled happens often enough to me, and the EXP gain is crazy high. But as you said, Hard diff is way, way faster. Although the XP multiplier is higher on the SG arenas, the actual amount of XP gained per round (on the first and second SG arenas) is moderately lower than the most XP-efficient arenas (Trio and Tree, To Kill a God). Part of this is because the schoolgirls give little experience compared to high PL monsters - I think when SG experience was programmed, it wasn't expected for us to have the masses of very high PL monsters we see today. Another reason the SG arenas give little XP per round is that they have fewer monsters per round than the other high-level arenas. Eternal Darkness is especially bad for XP, which consumes a lot of stamina on rounds with only 2 or 3 monsters, which the increased experience multiplier can't come anywhere close to making up for. The SG arenas also take ages (on higher difficulty), and the clear bonuses, other than for DwD, are trash. DwD is the only one that gives good XP per round - it gives the most out of all arenas - but again, it takes ages. So for XP, you'll be better off playing the ordinary arenas, or Grindfest. QUOTE(jacquelope @ Sep 5 2015, 10:02)  I don't play under 79 Stamina yet - I'm still in that "want every last drop of EXP I can get" stage of my HV life. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) Plus I have a wife and kids, and that Stamina limiter makes me have to get up and walk away and tend to my family. Playing with <= 79 stamina does not decrease your total experience gained. In fact, it somewhat increases it, because for most people with lives, it's quite hard to continually hover between 80 and 98 stamina (and at 99 stamina, every hour wastes a point). 500 rounds at >= 80 stamina = 1000 rounds worth of XP. Cost: 20 stamina 1000 rounds at <= 79 stamina = 1000 rounds worth of XP. Cost: 20 stamina (But you also gain a lot more credits, crystals, and drops) If XP is the goal, stamina is not a limiting factor (as long as it stays above 10). If you sometimes play above 80 stamina and sometimes below, there is one thing to do though - when above 80 stamina, play the high level arenas T&T and below which give good experience, and when below 80 stamina, play the low level arenas and the SG arenas (meh experience), or grindfest.
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Sep 5 2015, 12:46
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nec1986
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Pf sg isnt very long for mages. Specially after fest profit reduction.
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Sep 5 2015, 13:30
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jacquelope
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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Sep 5 2015, 03:38)  Although the XP multiplier is higher on the SG arenas, the actual amount of XP gained per round (on the first and second SG arenas) is moderately lower than the most XP-efficient arenas (Trio and Tree, To Kill a God). Part of this is because the schoolgirls give little experience compared to high PL monsters - I think when SG experience was programmed, it wasn't expected for us to have the masses of very high PL monsters we see today. Another reason the SG arenas give little XP per round is that they have fewer monsters per round than the other high-level arenas. Eternal Darkness is especially bad for XP, which consumes a lot of stamina on rounds with only 2 or 3 monsters, which the increased experience multiplier can't come anywhere close to making up for. The SG arenas also take ages (on higher difficulty), and the clear bonuses, other than for DwD, are trash.
DwD is the only one that gives good XP per round - it gives the most out of all arenas - but again, it takes ages.
So for XP, you'll be better off playing the ordinary arenas, or Grindfest.Playing with <= 79 stamina does not decrease your total experience gained. In fact, it somewhat increases it, because for most people with lives, it's quite hard to continually hover between 80 and 98 stamina (and at 99 stamina, every hour wastes a point).
500 rounds at >= 80 stamina = 1000 rounds worth of XP. Cost: 20 stamina 1000 rounds at <= 79 stamina = 1000 rounds worth of XP. Cost: 20 stamina (But you also gain a lot more credits, crystals, and drops)
If XP is the goal, stamina is not a limiting factor (as long as it stays above 10).
If you sometimes play above 80 stamina and sometimes below, there is one thing to do though - when above 80 stamina, play the high level arenas T&T and below which give good experience, and when below 80 stamina, play the low level arenas and the SG arenas (meh experience), or grindfest.
Ah, so much still to learn. So I'm picking up serious XP from End of Days because I'm playing more rounds than previous arenas, not because of XP per round? I should pay more attention to that.
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Sep 5 2015, 13:37
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mozilla browser
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I used to play like this to maximize XP - drink EDs at the dawn of the day to get above 80 stamina, or sometimes more - play all the REs of the day - ~ 12 hrs later, play DwD followed by TTT, EoD, TKaG. - then all other arenas (at lower difficulty if I'm running out of time) - followed by however many GF rounds I could bear before falling asleep.
The main idea being to get the great stamina bonus on the rounds with the greatest XP multipliers (RE and DwD)
Now I'm playing completely in normal stamina, and I try to play GF when stamina drops below 20 so as to benefit from the Energized status effect.
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Sep 5 2015, 14:08
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tetron
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QUOTE(mozilla browser @ Sep 5 2015, 17:07)  I used to play like this to maximize XP - drink EDs at the dawn of the day to get above 80 stamina, or sometimes more - play all the REs of the day - ~ 12 hrs later, play DwD followed by TTT, EoD, TKaG. - then all other arenas (at lower difficulty if I'm running out of time) - followed by however many GF rounds I could bear before falling asleep.
The main idea being to get the great stamina bonus on the rounds with the greatest XP multipliers (RE and DwD)
Now I'm playing completely in normal stamina, and I try to play GF when stamina drops below 20 so as to benefit from the Energized status effect.
So how many ED do you use daily nowadays?
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Sep 5 2015, 14:15
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qberg
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I know nothing about Light Armor, so is this piece worth something, or should I just Bazaar it?
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Sep 5 2015, 14:27
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tetron
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QUOTE(qberg @ Sep 5 2015, 17:45)  I know nothing about Light Armor, so is this piece worth something, or should I just Bazaar it? It's useless. Either Bazaar or Salvage.
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Sep 5 2015, 14:30
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qberg
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Thanks!
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Sep 5 2015, 15:42
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mozilla browser
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QUOTE(tetron @ Sep 5 2015, 20:08)  So how many ED do you use daily nowadays?
I'm not counting... It depends on time, I guess maybe 5 - 10, maybe up to 15 on weekends if I'm not doing anything.
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Sep 5 2015, 15:59
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MarsRuby
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Maging must be pretty fast if you can go through so many EDs a day.
So at level 450, do you just stop trying to optimize for xp now? Or do you want to hit that 500 wall even faster?
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Sep 5 2015, 16:32
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jacquelope
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QUOTE(mozilla browser @ Sep 5 2015, 06:42)  I'm not counting... It depends on time, I guess maybe 5 - 10, maybe up to 15 on weekends if I'm not doing anything.
Holy shit EDs must fall out of the sky like Skittles or something. I only ever found 1 and that was via 1 of the many Precursor Artifacts I was foolish enough to shrine.
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Sep 5 2015, 16:42
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(jacquelope @ Sep 5 2015, 16:32)  Holy shit EDs must fall out of the sky like Skittles or something. I only ever found 1 and that was via 1 of the many Precursor Artifacts I was foolish enough to shrine.
he obviously bought them. and you're finding a low amount of them because until PABs from artifacts aren't maxed, there's a quite good chance to earn them rather than EDs
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Sep 5 2015, 16:51
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RibbonsCan
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Is 10 burden on a DW-Shade Armor build acceptable?
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Sep 5 2015, 16:58
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(RibbonsCan @ Sep 5 2015, 16:51)  Is 10 burden on a DW-Shade Armor build acceptable?
yes. it will only lower your evade by something like 1.5 evade, but nothing really big of a matter. and maxed shadow veil can still make up for it [edit]: or maybe, also a bit of parry/resist forging (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) This post has been edited by Scremaz: Sep 5 2015, 16:59
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Sep 5 2015, 17:30
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(jacquelope @ Sep 5 2015, 17:22)  (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif) (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif) (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif) (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif) Up to 10 EDs a day that's gotta be like what, 500K to 600K credits a day? So that's the scale of the loot and credits you haul in daily when you hit that level, eh? Nose to the grindstone, nose to the grindstone.......... no, not really. he also proficiently runs H@H, and here i guess most of his incoming comes. also, being a hardcore player, he has quite decent chances to see something good sooner or later - or at least, surely higher than someone like me who rarely plays continuously. even at lv400 or so, if you don't have such backup you'll see similar trades only once in a while
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Sep 5 2015, 18:13
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Darukunesu
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Sep 5 2015, 17:30)  no, not really. he also proficiently runs H@H, and here i guess most of his incoming comes. also, being a hardcore player, he has quite decent chances to see something good sooner or later - or at least, surely higher than someone like me who rarely plays continuously. even at lv400 or so, if you don't have such backup you'll see similar trades only once in a while He is probably adopting servers too, max daily hath from H@H is 25 (~150k)
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