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post Sep 1 2015, 08:15
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QUOTE(ChanForu @ Sep 1 2015, 06:11) *
Is it even possible to mass reassign stats if we wanted to switch play styles? I heard there was a cap on how much you can reassign in one day.
Given the exponential nature of PAB XP, it's easy. After 3 or 4 days, the effect of additional changes would likely be so small as to be unnoticeable.

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post Sep 1 2015, 08:19
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For you, armor isn't so important, but having 1h + shield is. Look for a prefixed Exq+ Rapier of Slaughter, possibly unassigned, and an Emax+ block force shield (also possibly unassigned). 3 PAB would be good, but not essential. Nothing else is important enough to consider, given the limited funds of a player of your level.


At least for future reference, what armour should I be looking at? Is shade not OK?
Do you have any examples of an ideal set of equipment for the whole 1H + Shield style, maybe as something to aim towards in the coming days/months/years?
Thanks by the way.
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post Sep 1 2015, 08:26
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QUOTE(Some Stuffer @ Aug 31 2015, 23:19) *

At least for future reference, what armour should I be looking at? Is shade not OK?
Do you have any examples of an ideal set of equipment for the whole 1H + Shield style, maybe as something to aim towards in the coming days/months/years?
Thanks by the way.

My opinions only:
Try for Leather armor with Protection or Warding suffixes, then around L180 go to Heavy armor, with at least some shielding plate armor, with Slaughter, Protection or Warding suffixes (maybe some of all of the above).
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post Sep 1 2015, 08:34
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Hi. I would like to know from what level would I get around 90% back from the savage an item? Since I am still novice but I have an staff that doesn't look helpful anymore, but I have spend around 30 Mid wood and 60 low wood and I don't want to lose that. What do you recommend?
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post Sep 1 2015, 08:38
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QUOTE(jacquelope @ Sep 1 2015, 09:26) *

My opinions only:
Try for Leather armor with Protection or Warding suffixes, then around L180 go to Heavy armor, with at least some shielding plate armor, with Slaughter, Protection or Warding suffixes (maybe some of all of the above).


After searching the shops for not rapiers of slaughter and Shade armour all my Hentaiverse career, I only really know what stats to look for with Shade.
Weapon stats are pretty intuitive and I can figure out what's good or not.
But what base stats are good for shields and heavy armour? Is shielding plate better than power armour?
Sorry, I'm pretty clueless.
But forget the whole "I may be poor and am still a low level" part, I just want to know what equipment really is best and can be used for reference when deciding what to buy in the future.
Imagine I'm a level 500 with 8,000,000,000c in the bank but have nothing on my back and want to do 1H + Shield. What should I buy? Does anyone have a full really good equipment set which would be good to look at for reference?

I appreciate all of your help.
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post Sep 1 2015, 08:40
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QUOTE(Some Stuffer @ Sep 1 2015, 06:19) *
At least for future reference, what armour should I be looking at? Is shade not OK?
Do you have any examples of an ideal set of equipment for the whole 1H + Shield style, maybe as something to aim towards in the coming days/months/years?
Thanks by the way.
Literally anything but shade is pretty usable. Since mana potion usage is apparently a very real problem for lower level players (contrary to what I thought before), and since magic SP attacks from high PL monsters can oneshot players without Spirit Shield (and even with spirit shield, it hurts a lot, until one gets to high level and has the 20% ability) - I think leather is the most ideal choice, until level 240~ +-20. (Leather has high resist, so magic attacks will often be 50% resisted or more.) After that point, you probably have enough toughness from leveling up and abilities that fully defensive armor is starting to feel like overkill, which is why switching to heavy armor is good (heavy armor can be Power variant, Power Slaughter especially, which in sum can multiply your damage output by 1.7 or more). At that point it'd probably be good to mix some Power (maybe Power Slaughter) with Plate, preferably Protection, depending on how much you feel you need more defense vs offense - until level ~300? where you'll want full Power Slaughter (even if you can't afford it. Power Slaughter is very expensive).

This is just the path of least resistance though. There are other options that are playable.

If I were you, try not to spend more than 15k or so on any one equipment until you can spend 200k+ at once, at which point you could get something good (and offensive) worth IWing and soulfusing.
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post Sep 1 2015, 08:49
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QUOTE(kiko159 @ Sep 1 2015, 08:34) *

Hi. I would like to know from what level would I get around 90% back from the savage an item? Since I am still novice but I have an staff that doesn't look helpful anymore, but I have spend around 30 Mid wood and 60 low wood and I don't want to lose that. What do you recommend?

everytime. but note that that 90% is rounded down. so, if you have - just saying - 30 materials, 27 will be returned; same thing happens if you have 28 materials, since 27.333 ~ 27.
finally, catalysts are never returned, and first 5 levels are free of bindings, so the total amount of bindings earned back will be 0.9*(n_bindings - 5)
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post Sep 1 2015, 08:49
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QUOTE(kiko159 @ Sep 1 2015, 06:34) *
Hi. I would like to know from what level would I get around 90% back from the savage an item? Since I am still novice but I have an staff that doesn't look helpful anymore, but I have spend around 30 Mid wood and 60 low wood and I don't want to lose that. What do you recommend?
What you get back from salvaging is constant regardless of your forge experience. If you've spent 30 mid wood and 60 low wood, any player who salvages that piece will get back 27 mid wood and 54 low wood.
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But what base stats are good for shields and heavy armour? Is shielding plate better than power armour?

Sorry, I'm pretty clueless.
But forget the whole "I may be poor and am still a low level" part, I just want to know what equipment really is best and can be used for reference when deciding what to buy in the future.
Imagine I'm a level 500 with 8,000,000,000c in the bank but have nothing on my back and want to do 1H + Shield. What should I buy? Does anyone have a full really good equipment set which would be good to look at for reference?

I appreciate all of your help.
Peerless Ethereal Rapier of Slaughter with 5/4 Fatality/Butcher and Dark Strike, Peerless Zircon Force Shield of Protection without Agi and with 5 holyproof, all armor Peerless Savage Power ___ of Slaughter with 5 Juggernaut and some with holyproof and fireproof, all fully forged. (Price: 500m? lots.)

But that's only after you have the level to sustain damage taken, ignoring defense entirely - and that can't be done before level 300 or so.

For you, Shielding Plate is great, but it's also usually somewhat pricey. I wouldn't try getting it unless you know you can get it cheaply. Block% is most important stat by far for shields (get Emax+), followed by Pmit (of Protection?)/Endurance and 3 PABs. For plate armor, similarly, the most important stats I think are Pmit and Endurance, probably followed by 3 PAB.
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post Sep 1 2015, 09:18
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Alright, I've pretty much got everything I think I need now! Thanks so much for (both of) your help!
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post Sep 1 2015, 09:24
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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Sep 1 2015, 08:16) *

If you can, definitely switch. Otherwise, you'll be spending way too many mana potions (at your level, given mana potion usage, you'll have a very hard time making any profit). Also, maxed 0-cooldown 3-target Better Imperil only becomes available at level 310 - serious maging before then is pretty difficult. You can try high prof + spellspam without Imperil, but that's even worse on mana potion usage.

Stat imbalances are very easily fixed due to the exponential scaling system and XP gained just from leveling up.

Also, you may have noticed that in the past 10 or so levels for you, monsters have started hitting a lot harder than before. It only gets worse - you're encountering the high PL curve where monsters go from PL 100-300 to PL 1000+. To deal with the increased damage, it's recommended to switch to 1h; mage is just too squishy, at low levels, to play on any remotely interesting difficulty.Weapon is fine. It's not prefixed, but it's Mag Slaughter, which would be very hard to find below level 300-ish. IF you stick with 2h, then go ahead and soulfuse once you feel like you can - but I highly recommend against 2h at your level, unless you only want to be able to play at Hell or lower. (1h has much better defense, and is needed for playing high difficulty past level 150-ish)



Alright I'll try to make the switch now, any recommended level to switch back to maging? 300+? Or just never go back?
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post Sep 1 2015, 09:28
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Is 1H supposed to take forever compared to maging? It might just be my crappy equips and lack of prof though.
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post Sep 1 2015, 09:45
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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Sep 1 2015, 03:49) *
Peerless Zircon Force Shield of Protection without Agi and with 5 holyproof

I think it's impossible to achieve... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
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post Sep 1 2015, 09:53
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QUOTE(Ragner Angel @ Sep 1 2015, 07:24) *
Alright I'll try to make the switch now, any recommended level to switch back to maging? 300+? Or just never go back?
Yeah, probably 300+. At least 310 if you're going to use Imperil. You also need the ability to IW staff to 9 and to get a few levels of Jug on all armor, which takes Amnesias in addition to a good amount of time. (You also need equipment worthwhile enough to IW for that.) Imperil aside, it's mainly an issue of funds.

But that's only when you could go back, not when you should go back, which could wait for many tens of levels, especially if you've just gotten decent Power Slaughter in all slots at 300.
QUOTE(ChanForu @ Sep 1 2015, 07:28) *
Is 1H supposed to take forever compared to maging?
Yep, but it's 10x safer. Combine with Power Slaughter and it goes quicker, though not as quickly as mage.
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I think it's impossible to achieve... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
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post Sep 1 2015, 09:54
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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Sep 1 2015, 09:53) *

Yeah, probably 300+. At least 310 if you're going to use Imperil. You also need the ability to IW staff to 9 and to get a few levels of Jug on all armor, which takes Amnesias in addition to a good amount of time. (You also need equipment worthwhile enough to IW for that.) Imperil aside, it's mainly an issue of funds.

But that's only when you could go back, not when you should go back, which could wait for many tens of levels, especially if you've just gotten decent Power Slaughter in all slots at 300.Yep, but it's 10x safer. Combine with Power Slaughter and it goes quicker, though not as quickly as mage.Whoops

Yeah my health barely goes down at all (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif)
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post Sep 1 2015, 10:14
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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Sep 1 2015, 17:53) *

Yeah, probably 300+. At least 310 if you're going to use Imperil. You also need the ability to IW staff to 9 and to get a few levels of Jug on all armor, which takes Amnesias in addition to a good amount of time. (You also need equipment worthwhile enough to IW for that.) Imperil aside, it's mainly an issue of funds.

But that's only when you could go back, not when you should go back, which could wait for many tens of levels, especially if you've just gotten decent Power Slaughter in all slots at 300.


How many levels of jug should I aim for before using an amnesia shard? A friend donated a set of exquisite phase set of freyr that's why I wanted to at least end game as a mage rather than hunt for equipment all over again
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post Sep 1 2015, 10:18
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I never thought holy is the no.1 elemental dmg, not after I use the battle stat script.
So there are a lot of celestial mobs? And fire is actually no.2 even I use fire shield (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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post Sep 1 2015, 10:24
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QUOTE(Ragner Angel @ Sep 1 2015, 08:14) *
How many levels of jug should I aim for before using an amnesia shard? A friend donated a set of exquisite phase set of freyr that's why I wanted to at least end game as a mage rather than hunt for equipment all over again
It's very difficult for low level players to IW because they can't handle higher difficulties, so it takes ages, waste a lot of stamina, and don't even get many credits or crystals while playing. If I were you, I'd wait until you can handle IWBTH without too much trouble before seriously IWing anything - probably level 230+ with 1h.

You need to use one shard for every IW level gained on an equip. The more levels it has, the more shards it costs. So, best way to conserve shards is to level up the equip once, and reset if you didn't get Jug. But the shards cost 10k apiece, which is way more than you can afford right now (right?). Unless an equip is amazing, I'd aim for "3+ Juggernaut" only, which is nearly guaranteed when you start with Jug 1 on the first level.
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I never thought holy is the no.1 elemental dmg, not after I use the battle stat script.
So there are a lot of celestial mobs? And fire is actually no.2 even I use fire shield (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
Last time I checked, after accounting for my mitigations, Holy was in first, though it's possible I just got an odd distribution.

Celestials are popular because 1h/heavy is popular, right?
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post Sep 1 2015, 10:30
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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Sep 1 2015, 10:24) *

Celestials are popular because 1h/heavy is popular, right?

i guess so. and not limited tho them - other classes as daimons and dragonkins are popular because of that very same reason
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post Sep 1 2015, 10:39
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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Sep 1 2015, 18:24) *

It's very difficult for low level players to IW because they can't handle higher difficulties, so it takes ages, waste a lot of stamina, and don't even get many credits or crystals while playing. If I were you, I'd wait until you can handle IWBTH without too much trouble before seriously IWing anything - probably level 230+ with 1h.

You need to use one shard for every IW level gained on an equip. The more levels it has, the more shards it costs. So, best way to conserve shards is to level up the equip once, and reset if you didn't get Jug. But the shards cost 10k apiece, which is way more than you can afford right now (right?). Unless an equip is amazing, I'd aim for "3+ Juggernaut" only, which is nearly guaranteed when you start with Jug 1 on the first level.


Got it, thanks. Any tips for high level farming when I get there? (eventually)

Advice section says arena, so just go in there at maximum difficulty?
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QUOTE(Ragner Angel @ Sep 1 2015, 08:39) *
Got it, thanks. Any tips for high level farming when I get there? (eventually)

Advice section says arena, so just go in there at maximum difficulty?
PF RE and DwD for equipment, arenas for credits, everything else is too unprofitable.

Play the arenas at whatever difficulty you can play quickly without paying too much attention, so that speed of ping is main limiting factor. It's a bit hard before Spirit Shield but still doable. Once you gain 100+ 1h proficiency you'll get a significant defense boost, and another one at 200+.
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