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post Aug 31 2015, 21:30
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How do you get animated gifs in avatars? I tried that and it didn't work, even though it was under 200k and it was around 130x100 pixels.
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post Aug 31 2015, 21:59
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How do you get animated gifs in avatars? I tried that and it didn't work, even though it was under 200k and it was around 130x100 pixels.

are you sure it's less than 200kb and that size (maximum should be 180x100)?

if both answers are yes, then try purging your browser cache
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post Aug 31 2015, 22:56
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If someone was running elementalist build and equipment would it be feasible to try ramming ring of blood bosses with an imperil and element blast? I didn't pay any heed to holy and dark attacks so my proficiency in those areas is... sorely lacking...
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post Aug 31 2015, 22:58
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I wanna try Niten Style for low difficulty rounds ( hell minus ) to clear them faster than with 1H ( which takes a while right now )

I wont ask " is it worth " rather.. if I increase my AGI as much as I need to for playing successful with it, would the points I put in AGi, make my 1H sytle more effectless ? cos the points would have been much better in END/STR or even DEX?

or maybe that doesnt even matter anymore if iam getting even higher in the level
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post Aug 31 2015, 23:16
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QUOTE(Fap.Fap @ Aug 31 2015, 22:58) *

I wanna try Niten Style for low difficulty rounds ( hell minus ) to clear them faster than with 1H ( which takes a while right now )

I wont ask " is it worth " rather.. if I increase my AGI as much as I need to for playing successful with it, would the points I put in AGi, make my 1H sytle more effectless ? cos the points would have been much better in END/STR or even DEX?

or maybe that doesnt even matter anymore if iam getting even higher in the level

2h is the fastest melee style for low diffs (domino strike), and if you have decent gear you don't need to raise AGI (specially if you wear heavy armor). Note that AGI has a multiplicative behaviour, so the more you raise it the less you will see results.

If you want to stick with niten, take into account that you can't gain any proficiency while using that style, and you need both DW and 2h proficiency and 2 specific weapons (katana + waki).
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post Aug 31 2015, 23:23
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QUOTE(Ragner Angel @ Aug 31 2015, 20:56) *
If someone was running elementalist build and equipment would it be feasible to try ramming ring of blood bosses with an imperil and element blast? I didn't pay any heed to holy and dark attacks so my proficiency in those areas is... sorely lacking...
You could, but melee would surely be easier at your level, especially 1h. You won't have to waste tons of mana potions due to low equipment/proficiency/level/abilities/lack of Economizer.
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I wanna try Niten Style for low difficulty rounds ( hell minus ) to clear them faster than with 1H ( which takes a while right now )

I wont ask " is it worth " rather.. if I increase my AGI as much as I need to for playing successful with it, would the points I put in AGi, make my 1H sytle more effectless ? cos the points would have been much better in END/STR or even DEX?

or maybe that doesnt even matter anymore if iam getting even higher in the level
I don't think Agi is that good of a stat. Pmit and evade don't really matter on low difficulty, and more attack speed doesn't help clear speed much either. The main benefit is more chance of offhand strike, but it's only 1% per 100 levels. I think Dex/Str are a much higher priority.

On a related note, anyone know which is faster, 2h or Niten (on low difficulty where defense is unimportant)? I thought that 2h used to be faster due to max 7 targets instead of Niten's max 5 targets, but now that offhand has only slight effective ADB reduction, I wonder how a Slaughter (or 0.82+ balance) waki + katana would fare.
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post Aug 31 2015, 23:36
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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Aug 31 2015, 14:23) *

On a related note, anyone know which is faster, 2h or Niten (on low difficulty where defense is unimportant)? I thought that 2h used to be faster due to max 7 targets instead of Niten's max 5 targets, but now that offhand has only slight effective ADB reduction, I wonder how a Slaughter (or 0.82+ balance) waki + katana would fare.

2h is faster, but with cheap equipments cure is still a hassle even @hell. I personally don't recommend to rely on offhand strike since it hits only primary target.
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post Aug 31 2015, 23:39
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QUOTE(Dead-ed @ Aug 31 2015, 21:36) *
2h is faster, but with cheap equipments cure is still a hassle even @hell. I personally don't recommend to rely on offhand strike since it hits only primary target.
Oh, I was thinking just about the bonus to ADB from waki. That does affect all damage (including Domino Strike), not just the primary hit, right?
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post Aug 31 2015, 23:49
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You could, but melee would surely be easier at your level, especially 1h. You won't have to waste tons of mana potions due to low equipment/proficiency/level/abilities/lack of Economizer.


So switch now? Because my cloth elemental proficiency is 100+ staff 70+ with all the other physical proficiencies all at 0 not to mention the stat inbalance since i followed the guide of how to build mage stats
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post Aug 31 2015, 23:51
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QUOTE(Darukunesu @ Aug 31 2015, 23:16) *

2h is the fastest melee style for low diffs (domino strike), and if you have decent gear you don't need to raise AGI (specially if you wear heavy armor). Note that AGI has a multiplicative behaviour, so the more you raise it the less you will see results.

If you want to stick with niten, take into account that you can't gain any proficiency while using that style, and you need both DW and 2h proficiency and 2 specific weapons (katana + waki).



so DW and 2h proficiencies are usable for Niten? that i didnt know
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post Aug 31 2015, 23:51
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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Aug 31 2015, 14:39) *

Oh, I was thinking just about the bonus to ADB from waki. That does affect all damage (including Domino Strike), not just the primary hit, right?

yes. Btw, i thougt you forget that dw offhand adb buff from patch 0.82 doesn't apply to niten.

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post Sep 1 2015, 00:03
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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Aug 31 2015, 23:23) *

The main benefit [of AGI] is more chance of offhand strike, but it's only 1% per 100 levels.

furthermore, it's capped. past 75% ()a target easily reachable at lv... let's say 250 or so?), only offhand ACC can raise offhand strike chance.

and also, i guess main benefit of AGI is evade chance if you play as shade or mage. if you play as heavy, it's only (cheap) SP points
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post Sep 1 2015, 00:05
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I'm kind of floundering and looking to see if I need to change how I play, I have a few unrelated questions. Here are relevant stats:

Weapon: http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=9ca881987f (working on grinding up tier, should I soulfuse it?)
Stats: [puu.sh] http://puu.sh/jVwbp/41a52a5fcd.png [puu.sh] http://puu.sh/jVwcS/8bc5f64ab9.png
Attributes: [puu.sh] http://puu.sh/jVwdO/af00966012.png

Is autocast "worth it"? I have the first tier of it and I've considered running with haste autocast but I'm looking at the pros and cons... It gives me -10% on mana cost for that spell, plus I have an extra action I don't have to use every ~50 turns, but If I just cast it normally in spirit stance, it costs -25% plus I have a chance of proccing channeling. I know that the -25% stacks with the upkeep, but I'm not usually sitting in spirit, I'm using overcharge for my weapon skills. It seems like that wouldn't be worth it until I had at least 3 autocast slots to get the -30% upkeep.

I'm running 2H mace and crummy (superior) light armor (just swapped from heavy). I really only use supportive magic. Should I have some deprecating as well for fighting bosses, and if so what is high priority to invest in? I've read silence is important, but I can't find the spell to cast. (not on the list, even though I can take points in upgrades for it [puu.sh] http://puu.sh/jVwmC/2d5f93c0c5.png ) Do I need to grind up deprecating prof for it to be worthwhile?

Lastly, I've read that a lot of people prefer 1H/DW. Is this just for harder rounds with fewer monsters? I can't imagine how I would tank and clear these rounds with 7+ monsters If I couldn't get domino procs and had to kill them one by one. What is the efficacy of non-aoe styles that I'm missing?

any general tips about why my doing x is shit and y is superior (with explanation) appreciated as well.
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post Sep 1 2015, 00:16
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QUOTE(Ragner Angel @ Aug 31 2015, 21:49) *
So switch now? Because my cloth elemental proficiency is 100+ staff 70+ with all the other physical proficiencies all at 0 not to mention the stat inbalance since i followed the guide of how to build mage stats
If you can, definitely switch. Otherwise, you'll be spending way too many mana potions (at your level, given mana potion usage, you'll have a very hard time making any profit). Also, maxed 0-cooldown 3-target Better Imperil only becomes available at level 310 - serious maging before then is pretty difficult. You can try high prof + spellspam without Imperil, but that's even worse on mana potion usage.

Stat imbalances are very easily fixed due to the exponential scaling system and XP gained just from leveling up.

Also, you may have noticed that in the past 10 or so levels for you, monsters have started hitting a lot harder than before. It only gets worse - you're encountering the high PL curve where monsters go from PL 100-300 to PL 1000+. To deal with the increased damage, it's recommended to switch to 1h; mage is just too squishy, at low levels, to play on any remotely interesting difficulty.
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Is autocast "worth it"? I have the first tier of it and I've considered running with haste autocast but I'm looking at the pros and cons... It gives me -10% on mana cost for that spell, plus I have an extra action I don't have to use every ~50 turns, but If I just cast it normally in spirit stance, it costs -25% plus I have a chance of proccing channeling. I know that the -25% stacks with the upkeep, but I'm not usually sitting in spirit, I'm using overcharge for my weapon skills. It seems like that wouldn't be worth it until I had at least 3 autocast slots to get the -30% upkeep.

I'm running 2H mace and crummy (superior) light armor (just swapped from heavy). I really only use supportive magic. Should I have some deprecating as well for fighting bosses, and if so what is high priority to invest in? I've read silence is important, but I can't find the spell to cast. (not on the list, even though I can take points in upgrades for it [puu.sh] http://puu.sh/jVwmC/2d5f93c0c5.png ) Do I need to grind up deprecating prof for it to be worthwhile?

Lastly, I've read that a lot of people prefer 1H/DW. Is this just for harder rounds with fewer monsters? I can't imagine how I would tank and clear these rounds with 7+ monsters If I couldn't get domino procs and had to kill them one by one. What is the efficacy of non-aoe styles that I'm missing?

any general tips about why my doing x is shit and y is superior (with explanation) appreciated as well.
Weapon is fine. It's not prefixed, but it's Mag Slaughter, which would be very hard to find below level 300-ish. IF you stick with 2h, then go ahead and soulfuse once you feel like you can - but I highly recommend against 2h at your level, unless you only want to be able to play at Hell or lower. (1h has much better defense, and is needed for playing high difficulty past level 150-ish)

PABs are fine.

Melee usually casts buffs only, and ignores all other spells like depreciating etc. So no need to grind any magic proficiency.

Yes, 1h only attacks one-by-one, but very often you'll see with counter-attacks that 80% of the monsters will be stunned on any given turn. You can also use Spirit Stance permanently (that means 2x more damage indefinitely), as well as having a hell of a lot more defense than you could have with any other melee style. Try finding a prefixed Rapier of Slaughter, maybe unassigned, as well as an Emax+ force shield. If you switch, I'm sure you won't regret it. You'll probably be able to sleepwalk through IWBTH by level 240.

IA is very useful, especially at low levels. Getting at least IA1, maybe IA2 is quite nice - it saves a lot of turns wasted due to recasting buffs (main benefit), not to mention slightly reduced mana costs (side benefit).
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post Sep 1 2015, 00:20
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QUOTE(Dead-ed @ Aug 31 2015, 23:51) *

yes. Btw, i thougt you forget that dw offhand adb buff from patch 0.82 doesn't apply to niten.


Hmm yes, It does seem to be DW specific.
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post Sep 1 2015, 00:24
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yes. Btw, i thougt you forget that dw offhand adb buff from patch 0.82 doesn't apply to niten.
Oh, you're right, it doesn't. What a shame.
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post Sep 1 2015, 00:52
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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Aug 31 2015, 18:16) *

.Weapon is fine. It's not prefixed, but it's Mag Slaughter, which would be very hard to find below level 300-ish. IF you stick with 2h, then go ahead and soulfuse once you feel like you can - but I highly recommend against 2h at your level, unless you only want to be able to play at Hell or lower. (1h has much better defense, and is needed for playing high difficulty past level 150-ish)

PABs are fine.

Melee usually casts buffs only, and ignores all other spells like depreciating etc. So no need to grind any magic proficiency.

Yes, 1h only attacks one-by-one, but very often you'll see with counter-attacks that 80% of the monsters will be stunned on any given turn. You can also use Spirit Stance permanently (that means 2x more damage indefinitely), as well as having a hell of a lot more defense than you could have with any other melee style. Try finding a prefixed Rapier of Slaughter, maybe unassigned, as well as an Emax+ force shield. If you switch, I'm sure you won't regret it. You'll probably be able to sleepwalk through IWBTH by level 240.

IA is very useful, especially at low levels. Getting at least IA1, maybe IA2 is quite nice - it saves a lot of turns wasted due to recasting buffs (main benefit), not to mention slightly reduced mana costs (side benefit).
Thanks for the advice! I'll work on getting some 1h gear. What's my best bet for farming gear? Arenas, trophies and equipment shop?
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post Sep 1 2015, 00:58
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Thanks for the advice! I'll work on getting some 1h gear. What's my best bet for farming gear? Arenas, trophies and equipment shop?

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QUOTE(mondere @ Aug 31 2015, 15:05) *

I'm kind of floundering and looking to see if I need to change how I play, I have a few unrelated questions. Here are relevant stats:

Weapon: http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=9ca881987f (working on grinding up tier, should I soulfuse it?)
Stats: [puu.sh] http://puu.sh/jVwbp/41a52a5fcd.png [puu.sh] http://puu.sh/jVwcS/8bc5f64ab9.png
Attributes: [puu.sh] http://puu.sh/jVwdO/af00966012.png

Is autocast "worth it"? I have the first tier of it and I've considered running with haste autocast but I'm looking at the pros and cons... It gives me -10% on mana cost for that spell, plus I have an extra action I don't have to use every ~50 turns, but If I just cast it normally in spirit stance, it costs -25% plus I have a chance of proccing channeling. I know that the -25% stacks with the upkeep, but I'm not usually sitting in spirit, I'm using overcharge for my weapon skills. It seems like that wouldn't be worth it until I had at least 3 autocast slots to get the -30% upkeep.

I'm running 2H mace and crummy (superior) light armor (just swapped from heavy). I really only use supportive magic. Should I have some deprecating as well for fighting bosses, and if so what is high priority to invest in? I've read silence is important, but I can't find the spell to cast. (not on the list, even though I can take points in upgrades for it [puu.sh] http://puu.sh/jVwmC/2d5f93c0c5.png ) Do I need to grind up deprecating prof for it to be worthwhile?

Lastly, I've read that a lot of people prefer 1H/DW. Is this just for harder rounds with fewer monsters? I can't imagine how I would tank and clear these rounds with 7+ monsters If I couldn't get domino procs and had to kill them one by one. What is the efficacy of non-aoe styles that I'm missing?

any general tips about why my doing x is shit and y is superior (with explanation) appreciated as well.

You want to move to a 1H/Force Shield combo soon. Best to start now and start boosting your 1H prof.
In my opinion? Concentrate on (in this order) WIS, END, DEX, STR
You'll need Wis for defensive buffs, keeping it high has served me well.

What armor are you wearing? You'll need to go Heavy soon, preferably shielding plate to enhance your blocking. Block is your friend.
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post Sep 1 2015, 01:39
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Thanks for the advice! I'll work on getting some 1h gear. What's my best bet for farming gear? Arenas, trophies and equipment shop?
Like Dead-ed said, WTS only. Arenas/trophies/bazaar will never get you anything good unless you play as much as a level 350+ player, and even then it's highly unlikely.
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