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post Aug 21 2015, 09:34
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QUOTE(mozilla browser @ Aug 21 2015, 00:16) *

Before concluding this, I think we need to better understand whether the recommended builds and play styles are being followed. Not-enough-mana could also be due to excessive debuffs (almost all of them), unnecessary buffs (SV), insufficient proficiency (lack of 1h or heavy armor proficiency makes you squishy = more Cure needed)

Is there a way I can prove that I'm doing 1H+Power Shield and only Protection/Spark/Regen/Haste and no SV and that re-casts of these things run my mana out by 10 rounds? My HA is 95.21 and my 1H is 56.17.

I'm actually thinking of donating my Amnesia and Voidseeker shard if newbs can use them. I have one apiece and for the time being I'm going to donate at least one for every one I sell, as they come in. Pay it forward as best I can.

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post Aug 21 2015, 10:07
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I remember Skillchip was going to check out the new difficulty for low level players due to non-scaling equipment after 0.82. I wonder if he's done that or not.
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post Aug 21 2015, 10:22
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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Aug 21 2015, 01:07) *

I remember Skillchip was going to check out the new difficulty for low level players due to non-scaling equipment after 0.82. I wonder if he's done that or not.

Considering that mobs are hammering me 10 levels after I got that sword (the sword still hammers them right back, though), I would testify that they didn't.

It's going to be quite fun at lvl 200.
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post Aug 21 2015, 10:44
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QUOTE(jacquelope @ Aug 21 2015, 10:22) *

Considering that mobs are hammering me 10 levels after I got that sword (the sword still hammers them right back, though), I would testify that they didn't.

It's going to be quite fun at lvl 200.

I'm finding it quite awful and I picked some budget but decent (leg, mag, exq) equipment before the patch. However I'm probably having it much easier than most people because of 0.82 gear which I'd probably end up soulfusing even if they are crap because I don't think that I'll ever be able to find better gear than this stuff at this stage...

Jesus christ I do not want to have to imagine having to rely on expensive bazaared equips many of which cannot even be used even with soulfusing for at least 300 levels by newbies with a quickly vanishing pool of unassigned gear.

And as for drops I've about 35 levels in scav, 14 for LotD and 10 for quarter and I've only seen about a single mag and like 3 exqs since the beginning of the update with fairly frequent playing.

It's probably my fault for picking up maging haha (thanks to not reading the opinions on the forum before picking it ages ago and then it being too difficult to switch over later on with prof and gear), however it has to be said that at least I've a mage set and went and bought about 500 mana potions from other players (I'm also short of health potions too so I went and bought a tonne but luckily they aren't so expensive). Newbies would probably be running a lot of mixed (half mage/half something else) sets because of the shortage in good equips and have to buy most potions from the game itself x___x

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post Aug 21 2015, 11:04
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QUOTE(ChanForu @ Aug 21 2015, 15:44) *

I'm finding it quite awful and I picked some budget but decent (leg, mag, exq) equipment before the patch. However I'm probably having it much easier than most people because of 0.82 gear which I'd probably end up soulfusing even if they are crap because I don't think that I'll ever be able to find better gear than this stuff at this stage...

Jesus christ I do not want to have to imagine having to rely on expensive bazaared equips many of which cannot even be used even with soulfusing for at least 300 levels by newbies with a quickly vanishing pool of unassigned gear.

And as for drops I've about 35 levels in scav, 14 for LotD and 10 for quarter and I've only seen about a single mag and like 3 exqs since the beginning of the update with fairly frequent playing.

It's probably my fault for picking up maging haha (thanks to not reading the opinions on the forum before picking it ages ago and then it being too difficult to switch over later on with prof and gear), however it has to be said that at least I've a mage set and went and bought about 500 mana potions from other players (I'm also short of health potions too so I went and bought a tonne but luckily they aren't so expensive). Newbies would probably be running a lot of mixed (half mage/half something else) sets because of the shortage in good equips and have to buy most potions from the game itself x___x


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so high. I am still in 21.

arena clear DwD is mostly mag+
exq if you really baaaddd luck.
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post Aug 21 2015, 11:13
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karyl123- all my credits (every single one except the small amount going into equips and the small amount that I spend downloading artbooks and something) went into the item drops, but since I can't survive anything higher than hell/nightmare maybe I should have decided to do a melee skill in the first place rather than mage. (But I guess AoE and magic just sounded cooler to me when I first started - stupid decision!- and now that I'm closer to 310 it's probably not worth changing. )

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post Aug 21 2015, 11:52
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QUOTE(ChanForu @ Aug 21 2015, 01:44) *

I'm finding it quite awful and I picked some budget but decent (leg, mag, exq) equipment before the patch. However I'm probably having it much easier than most people because of 0.82 gear which I'd probably end up soulfusing even if they are crap because I don't think that I'll ever be able to find better gear than this stuff at this stage...

Jesus christ I do not want to have to imagine having to rely on expensive bazaared equips many of which cannot even be used even with soulfusing for at least 300 levels by newbies with a quickly vanishing pool of unassigned gear.

And as for drops I've about 35 levels in scav, 14 for LotD and 10 for quarter and I've only seen about a single mag and like 3 exqs since the beginning of the update with fairly frequent playing.

It's probably my fault for picking up maging haha (thanks to not reading the opinions on the forum before picking it ages ago and then it being too difficult to switch over later on with prof and gear), however it has to be said that at least I've a mage set and went and bought about 500 mana potions from other players (I'm also short of health potions too so I went and bought a tonne but luckily they aren't so expensive). Newbies would probably be running a lot of mixed (half mage/half something else) sets because of the shortage in good equips and have to buy most potions from the game itself x___x

I predict that the coming scarcity of level unassigned gear will be a huge barrier to entry for newbies. I was the beneficiary of donated uberbad weapons and I was able to buy uberbad (for my level) armor, all unassigned. I had a trusty 2H sword that cleaved its way to around level 150-160, without that I'd have been dog meat.

What gear am I going to find for myself as I reach into the 200s, much less be able to give to newbs? I'm probably just going to be handing out pots. There's just not enough facepalm for that scenario. It's like some law of hentaivers entropy is in effect.

I could be wrong, though. I sincerely hope.
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post Aug 21 2015, 11:57
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In my time we had freeshop though (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
So basically you were given gear to use and keep (but not to sell) and you could always get more per week. You also got to keep hundreds of potions and stuff which has now been wiped from my inventory ;~; because I was inactive and didn't realise they were wiping them and it all ran on very generous donations from the elite players.

Now these changes make it impossible for lower level players to buy gear from higher level players and have to rely on their own drops/soulfusable bazaar/user shop stuff. Which is scary because it only used to take a good drop per day to afford good equipment while making the prefixed equipment drop was nigh impossible.
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post Aug 21 2015, 12:28
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QUOTE(ChanForu @ Aug 21 2015, 02:57) *

In my time we had freeshop though (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
So basically you were given gear to use and keep (but not to sell) and you could always get more per week. You also got to keep hundreds of potions and stuff which has now been wiped from my inventory ;~; because I was inactive and didn't realise they were wiping them and it all ran on very generous donations from the elite players.

Now these changes make it impossible for lower level players to buy gear from higher level players and have to rely on their own drops/soulfusable bazaar/user shop stuff. Which is scary because it only used to take a good drop per day to afford good equipment while making the prefixed equipment drop was nigh impossible.

So basically newbs will get quicksanded in credit sink hell and eventually give up.

On a side note, for all those having mana issues:
I found a go-around solution... scarf down 6 Featherweight shards, one per armor piece, then go through as many of the longest Arena levels that you can and work your way down. Doing this at the speed of ping let me clear arenas from Exile all the way up to Eye of Death (I went from the bottom up this time; will go top to bottom next time) in an hour, and then time to hit Invisible Pink Unicorn. I only FC'd EoD and IPU, the rest were future clears. The future clears landed me around 30K including loot PLUS the pissant future clear credit bonus. So I made ~24K plus loot drops, crystals, bonuses, trophies... and of course there's the option of reducing input costs even more by finding Featherweights on discount via WTS.
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post Aug 21 2015, 13:28
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price check...

http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=6124960191

more than 100k ?
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post Aug 21 2015, 13:35
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100k to 1m+ at auction if you can get the right buyer. Pre 0.82 holy was hotter so it could have sold for 2m+. Not sure now, really depends if you can find the right buyer. Charged is in high demand for holy, so that could boost the price a fair bit.
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post Aug 21 2015, 13:54
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100k to 1m+ at auction if you can get the right buyer. Pre 0.82 holy was hotter so it could have sold for 2m+. Not sure now, really depends if you can find the right buyer. Charged is in high demand for holy, so that could boost the price a fair bit.


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post Aug 21 2015, 14:16
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QUOTE(jacquelope @ Aug 21 2015, 15:34) *

Is there a way I can prove that I'm doing 1H+Power Shield and only Protection/Spark/Regen/Haste and no SV and that re-casts of these things run my mana out by 10 rounds? My HA is 95.21 and my 1H is 56.17.


Sorry, I do not think that you are lying, and I apologise if you felt that I was accusing you of such. There is no need for you to prove it. What I meant is that what we need to understand the situation better before discarding what we knew before the patch.

In your case, if the not-enough-mana situation is caused by using Cure/Full-Cure frequently, it suggests that your defense is not good enough at this difficulty. (it could also suggest that your offense is not good enough, along the lines that the best defense is a good offense, but we know that you have a better rapier than many of us so that certainly isn't the problem). This is the situation Superlatanium is probably thinking about when he reconsiders the recommendation for plate/power, because you don't have sufficient toughness. And I would suggest to review this situation when your 1H and HA proficiencies are higher, to understand whether this is really true.

However, if the situation is really caused by recasting the necessary buffs when they expire, that might suggest that your equipment have very high interference stats, or the mana recovery rate is too poor. In this case, we would need understand this in more detail.
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post Aug 21 2015, 14:29
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QUOTE(jacquelope @ Aug 21 2015, 14:34) *

Is there a way I can prove that I'm doing 1H+Power Shield and only Protection/Spark/Regen/Haste and no SV and that re-casts of these things run my mana out by 10 rounds? My HA is 95.21 and my 1H is 56.17.

I'm actually thinking of donating my Amnesia and Voidseeker shard if newbs can use them. I have one apiece and for the time being I'm going to donate at least one for every one I sell, as they come in. Pay it forward as best I can.


yu dont need to prove anything.

me run regen > protection > haste > heartseeker mana about 35% left.

its normal.
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post Aug 21 2015, 14:38
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I think you can possibly keep recommendation.

Imho Power/Plate is a good recommendation even below lvl230. I used to be leather/shade up to lvl150 but when I first changed it was just a transitional thing where you had to relearn to use spells and pots differently when your mana cost is 170% (bad equipment).

Although before 0.82 I think leather or shade might be better because you can normally find 4 PAB even on superior equipment but afterwards it just not worth it since only 2 PAB unless you got mags.

Another tip to save mana is to deliberately use channeling on more than just heartseeker but also on relatively expensive spell especially Regen even though you still have turns left on it because spells like protection and spirit shield are dirt cheap in comparison.
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post Aug 21 2015, 14:56
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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Aug 20 2015, 17:27) *

Yes, mage is best for quick low difficulty, but it usually requires a relatively high level to be worth doing without chugging pots.

DW is starting to get too vulnurable at your level. 1h will let you survive Nintendo/IWBTH/PF with much more ease. I'd either play high difficulty 1h, or low difficulty mage.At your level, it is extremely likely that the best option is to stop training completely, if you're at the point where it eats any significant fraction of your income. Training takes many many rounds to pay off, and I'm sure you don't play enough for that yet.Like I said above, mage is quite difficult when you're low level and have to chug pots, before you're making a decent amount of income, and before you're high level. I'd stick to melee, almost certainly 1h, at least until level 300 or so.Arcanist is worthless, since intel is completely useless, wisdom is unimportant, and interference is unimportant. (BTW, you said earlier you were sometimes proccing Coalesced Mana. If you're trying to play as melee, don't use a staff, and definitely stop using offensive or depreciating spells (they're the only ones that proc CA).)

The best Shade is generally Agile of Shadowdancer, but plain Shadowdancer or Fleet are also usable. Negation isn't too useful because light armor already has quite high resist.

At your level, stick to just 1 set, otherwise it'll cost too much (and you'll be taking too much time trying to figure it out and not enough time actually gaining levels).I don't like it because usually you'll just be attacking one monster over and over again until it dies. I guess it depends on difficulty, but you're not likely to get more than a tiny bit of BW damage before the monster dies, if you get any at all. But a single stack of PA is better than full BW.





I have got a legendary staff with mana conservation and some magnificent cloth equipment(all with holy damage),now mana consume is under control,1-2 drought and 1 potion is okay for a long arena,as most of the rounds now end in one hit.
For DW line I choose a high parry wakizashi,and also invested in some magnificent light armors,and always keep life spark.But I only get exquisite equipment for this line,except legendary weapon.
Now I decide to upgrade mage equipment standard to legendary gradually and soulfuse.
But I have difficulty in heaven sent and heimdall,now I mix them,but I don't know which is better.

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post Aug 21 2015, 15:37
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Hello everyone. Been a very long time since I played last, clicked the hourly for nostalgia and got slaughtered. I was actually butt-naked, 0 stats and without masteries nor potions. In fact I'm sure my potions are no more hahah. I'm sure many things have changed since then so if you guys can point me in the right direction it would be appreciated. This was what I rolled back then ( I never bothered trading in the forums and I preferred getting by with my meager drops so expect failure):

Main Set for 1H ( I kinda remember not being very popular after the initial levels but I was just dumb like that)

Weapon
Shield
Helm
Chest
Hands
Legs
Feet

And this is the most notable loot i got from unloading all the event items I had in the Shrine:

Ethereal Axe of Slaughter ( I think this is a nice upgrade )
Legendary failure ( My first legendary ever, I actually used Swords a lot in the beginning but always got told they were trash, unfortunate, that parry chance is nice tho)

And lastly my pair of old rapiers I fancied for experimenting with DW or just plainly trying to survive turtling:
Rapier 1
Rapier 2

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post Aug 21 2015, 15:54
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QUOTE(Raurusama @ Aug 21 2015, 20:37) *

Hello everyone. Been a very long time since I played last, clicked the hourly for nostalgia and got slaughtered. I was actually butt-naked, 0 stats and without masteries nor potions. In fact I'm sure my potions are no more hahah. I'm sure many things have changed since then so if you guys can point me in the right direction it would be appreciated. This was what I rolled back then ( I never bothered trading in the forums and I preferred getting by with my meager drops so expect failure):

Main Set for 1H ( I kinda remember not being very popular after the initial levels but I was just dumb like that)

Weapon
Shield
Helm
Chest
Hands
Legs
Feet

And this is the most notable loot i got from unloading all the event items I had in the Shrine:

Ethereal Axe of Slaughter ( I think this is a nice upgrade )
Legendary failure ( My first legendary ever, I actually used Swords a lot in the beginning but always got told they were trash, unfortunate, that parry chance is nice tho)

And lastly my pair of old rapiers I fancied for experimenting with DW or just plainly trying to survive turtling:
Rapier 1
Rapier 2


1h should be rapier, not axe.
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post Aug 21 2015, 16:09
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1h should be rapier, not axe.


It was all axes of slaughter back then, have they been nerfed /rapiers buffed? What suffix would be ideal then, nimble? ....slaughter? Have the monsters been buffed so much that you need to go rapiers for the defensive boost to be viable? Thx for the info btw.
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post Aug 21 2015, 16:13
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QUOTE(Raurusama @ Aug 21 2015, 21:09) *

It was all axes of slaughter back then, have they been nerfed /rapiers buffed? What suffix would be ideal then, nimble? ....slaughter? Have the monsters been buffed so much that you need to go rapiers for the defensive boost to be viable? Thx for the info btw.


penetrated armor is cool

slaughter is best
balance second
nimble also good
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