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Aug 16 2015, 13:32
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jacquelope
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When you increase an item's potency tier via Item World (say, PT 0 to PT 1), isn't something supposed to change about the weapon?
I just IW'd a weapon to PT 1 and absolutely nothing changed.
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Aug 16 2015, 13:36
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rfEH
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QUOTE(jacquelope @ Aug 16 2015, 11:32)  When you increase an item's potency tier via Item World (say, PT 0 to PT 1), isn't something supposed to change about the weapon?
I just IW'd a weapon to PT 1 and absolutely nothing changed.
You get special stats relate to your item read this wiki page to check out all the potency you can get. HereAlso item link in (i.e. using 'c' on your equipment) to see what it is if you missed seeing at end of IW round. This post has been edited by rfEH: Aug 16 2015, 13:36
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Aug 16 2015, 18:20
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jacquelope
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QUOTE(rfEH @ Aug 16 2015, 04:36)  You get special stats relate to your item read this wiki page to check out all the potency you can get. HereAlso item link in (i.e. using 'c' on your equipment) to see what it is if you missed seeing at end of IW round. Yeah, I read that in the wiki. I just didn't see any new special stats between when it was PT0 and PT1: Fatality Lv 1 is all it gained, but there's no change in any actual stats, like attack crit damage in this case. Am I supposed to just have faith that I'm getting better critical damage when I use it? Edit: I have another weapon that I also upgraded to PT1 and I recall seeing a few immediate stat improvements. I sincerely wish I had screencapped that, but I knew far less about this game than I know now. This post has been edited by jacquelope: Aug 16 2015, 18:32
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Aug 16 2015, 18:32
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Superlatanium
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QUOTE(jacquelope @ Aug 16 2015, 16:20)  Yeah, I read that in the wiki. I just didn't see any new special stats between when it was PT0 and PT1: Fatality Lv 1 is all it gained, but there's no change in any actual stats, like attack crit damage in this case. Am I supposed to just have faith that I'm getting better critical damage when I use it? If you got Fatality then you most definitely did get a crit damage upgrade. It's true that the difference seen is often relatively small. Item World is mostly worth doing probably only if you can get weapon to level 10 (for void damage + extra strike), which at your level would take ages.
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Aug 16 2015, 18:39
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jacquelope
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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Aug 16 2015, 09:32)  If you got Fatality then you most definitely did get a crit damage upgrade.
It's true that the difference seen is often relatively small. Item World is mostly worth doing probably only if you can get weapon to level 10 (for void damage + extra strike), which at your level would take ages.
Yes I am questing for PT 10. My other rationale for even doing IW at all is it'll give me some infusions+draughts that I can use, at best it'll also give me loot drops for the bazaar and for salvage. IW also makes a nice opportunity for prof grinding and at Normal difficulty it's also economically sound, even if the tradeoff is that the XP gain is light. Unlike Grindfest I can actually finish the whole thing since my weapons are 14 and 37 rounds vs 1000 to get to the final payoff in GF. I might even get more credits from 1000 rounds of (however many IW's that comes out to) than GF?
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Aug 16 2015, 18:45
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Superlatanium
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QUOTE(jacquelope @ Aug 16 2015, 16:39)  Yes I am questing for PT 10. My other rationale for even doing IW at all is it'll give me some infusions+draughts that I can use, at best it'll also give me loot drops for the bazaar and for salvage. IW also makes a nice opportunity for prof grinding and at Normal difficulty it's also economically sound, even if the tradeoff is that the XP gain is light. Unlike Grindfest I can actually finish the whole thing since my weapons are 14 and 37 rounds vs 1000 to get to the final payoff in GF. I might even get more credits from 1000 rounds of (however many IW's that comes out to) than GF?
Something with that few rounds is of too low quality to be worth IWing in the first place. Considering IW service prices, you could consider getting to IW 10 to be equivalent to spending ~250k+ credits on the equip... not good for something that's probably Superior or less. You might think about either waiting for a good weapon to drop before doing IW, or just buying one (there still exist some nice unassigned ones).
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Aug 16 2015, 20:40
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QUOTE(jacquelope @ Aug 17 2015, 00:39)  Yes I am questing for PT 10. My other rationale for even doing IW at all is it'll give me some infusions+draughts that I can use, at best it'll also give me loot drops for the bazaar and for salvage. IW also makes a nice opportunity for prof grinding and at Normal difficulty it's also economically sound, even if the tradeoff is that the XP gain is light. Unlike Grindfest I can actually finish the whole thing since my weapons are 14 and 37 rounds vs 1000 to get to the final payoff in GF. I might even get more credits from 1000 rounds of (however many IW's that comes out to) than GF?
If you have finished all the arenas might as well do some iw, its the same as gf as your level. You should try to increase the diff for better gain per stamina.
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Aug 16 2015, 22:00
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jacquelope
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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Aug 16 2015, 09:45)  Something with that few rounds is of too low quality to be worth IWing in the first place. Considering IW service prices, you could consider getting to IW 10 to be equivalent to spending ~250k+ credits on the equip... not good for something that's probably Superior or less. You might think about either waiting for a good weapon to drop before doing IW, or just buying one (there still exist some nice unassigned ones).
Service prices? Not sure what that is, are you referring to the use of mana potions and draughts to keep my mana up during the fight, or something else? As for new equip, my proficiency is 122 in 2H and I have this uber trusty little butter knife as my primary weapon, and I do mean trusty. If I'm gonna spend myself into poverty in WTB I'd like to get that in exquisite or better, I'm sure that's going to be way more than the 30K I was previously advised to spend. Would it be wise to try to get this alluring little toothpick at my level?
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Aug 16 2015, 22:14
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Fap.Fap
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QUOTE(jacquelope @ Aug 16 2015, 22:00)  Service prices? Not sure what that is, are you referring to the use of mana potions and draughts to keep my mana up during the fight, or something else? As for new equip, my proficiency is 122 in 2H and I have this uber trusty little butter knife as my primary weapon, and I do mean trusty. If I'm gonna spend myself into poverty in WTB I'd like to get that in exquisite or better, I'm sure that's going to be way more than the 30K I was previously advised to spend. Would it be wise to try to get this alluring little toothpick at my level? rather than that, try to go for a rapier with an elemental strike and if you want to hold on it for some levels get it to IW 10 for the additional void strike, but soulfusing anything at your level is definetly not worth the cost, the strength of the items wont change much with the levels you gain until you buy new items. ur getting to a level where 2H is pretty much not good anymore, i went for DW until like lvl 150 and then switched to 1H with first buying a good rapier and sooner or later switching out armour parts for power / plate. and dont try to waste your materials/money on upgrading things you wont hold very long, it can be expensive if you upgrade something like Power gear.
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Aug 16 2015, 22:35
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jacquelope
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QUOTE(Fap.Fap @ Aug 16 2015, 13:14)  rather than that, try to go for a rapier with an elemental strike and if you want to hold on it for some levels get it to IW 10 for the additional void strike, but soulfusing anything at your level is definetly not worth the cost, the strength of the items wont change much with the levels you gain until you buy new items.
ur getting to a level where 2H is pretty much not good anymore, i went for DW until like lvl 150 and then switched to 1H with first buying a good rapier and sooner or later switching out armour parts for power / plate. and dont try to waste your materials/money on upgrading things you wont hold very long, it can be expensive if you upgrade something like Power gear.
So a rapier with elemental strike and going for PT10 void is better than one with void strike and going for PT10 elemental? What about the lack of mitigations against void? Is there a chance of getting an ethereal 1H with vampire? Is that worth it? Also my 1H prof is like 0.04...
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Aug 16 2015, 22:43
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Crush85
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QUOTE(jacquelope @ Aug 16 2015, 22:00)  Service prices?
He means the price you would pay to get someone else to do it for you. So long as you didn't soulbind the item, that's always an option.
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Aug 16 2015, 22:53
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jacquelope
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QUOTE(Crush85 @ Aug 16 2015, 13:43)  He means the price you would pay to get someone else to do it for you. So long as you didn't soulbind the item, that's always an option.
Wow, learn a new thing every day. Note to self: get high enough level one day that I can do this service for others. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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Aug 16 2015, 22:58
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Fap.Fap
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QUOTE(jacquelope @ Aug 16 2015, 22:35)  So a rapier with elemental strike and going for PT10 void is better than one with void strike and going for PT10 elemental? What about the lack of mitigations against void? Is there a chance of getting an ethereal 1H with vampire? Is that worth it?
Also my 1H prof is like 0.04...
dark or holy is the best thing you should take ... when you finish the IW to max you will get void strike.. there you have your void my rapier has holy/void and adding dark with enchant to more difficult enemies. you should go for a weapon with slaughter,also ur weapon should have at least Strength and DEX not the one ur using right now ^^ and try to go for the IA 1 hath perk, its really useful and not that expensive, its making my fights so much easier right now. This post has been edited by Fap.Fap: Aug 16 2015, 23:03
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Aug 17 2015, 00:09
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garrabar
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Why do I see so few Dovahkiin titles around the forums?
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Aug 17 2015, 00:12
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(garrabar @ Aug 17 2015, 00:09)  Why do I see so few Dovahkiin titles around the forums?
because the bonus granted by Godslayer rank is more effective, to the point that some (very few, though!) lv300 don't even bother with achieving Dovahkiin i guess pretty much 99% of lv310+ earned Dovahkiin rank, but deliberately choose not to use it
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Aug 17 2015, 00:23
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Superlatanium
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QUOTE(jacquelope @ Aug 16 2015, 20:00)  Service prices? Not sure what that is, are you referring to the use of mana potions and draughts to keep my mana up during the fight, or something else? As for new equip, my proficiency is 122 in 2H and I have this uber trusty little butter knife as my primary weapon, and I do mean trusty. If I'm gonna spend myself into poverty in WTB I'd like to get that in exquisite or better, I'm sure that's going to be way more than the 30K I was previously advised to spend. Would it be wise to try to get this alluring little toothpick at my level? 2h is starting to get quite bad at your level. 1h is the best by far (but not shortsword, they're bad). A still-unassigned decent Exq+ 1h rapier, worth IWing and soulbinding, can still be found cheaply, and it'd be a hell of a lot better than any 2h or shortsword. IW service prices: it costs 250k or so to get someone to IW something to 10. So, you can consider consider IWing something to 10 as the equivalent of sinking 250k into it. (since that is the opportunity cost) QUOTE(Fap.Fap @ Aug 16 2015, 20:58)  dark or holy is the best thing you should take ... when you finish the IW to max you will get void strike.. there you have your void my rapier has holy/void and adding dark with enchant to more difficult enemies.
you should go for a weapon with slaughter,also ur weapon should have at least Strength and DEX not the one ur using right now ^^ and try to go for the IA 1 hath perk, its really useful and not that expensive, its making my fights so much easier right now. Getting specific strikes and desired potencies is not worth it except for the best equipped players at the highest levels. The benefit is not worth the amnesia and time cost.
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Aug 17 2015, 00:33
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Fap.Fap
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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Aug 17 2015, 00:23)  2h is starting to get quite bad at your level. 1h is the best by far (but not shortsword, they're bad).
A still-unassigned decent Exq+ 1h rapier, worth IWing and soulbinding, can still be found cheaply, and it'd be a hell of a lot better than any 2h or shortsword.
IW service prices: it costs 250k or so to get someone to IW something to 10. So, you can consider consider IWing something to 10 as the equivalent of sinking 250k into it. (since that is the opportunity cost)Getting specific strikes and desired potencies is not worth it except for the best equipped players at the highest levels. The benefit is not worth the amnesia and time cost.
isnt there always void strike when you max a weapon which already has 1 elemental strike?
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Aug 17 2015, 00:38
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(Fap.Fap @ Aug 17 2015, 00:33)  isnt there always void strike when you max a weapon which already has 1 elemental strike?
yes. but many people prefer ethereal because of 0 BUR/ITR (and because while you use it, it already has Void within it), which gives a random elemental strike at IW10
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Aug 17 2015, 01:11
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jacquelope
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Aug 16 2015, 15:38)  yes. but many people prefer ethereal because of 0 BUR/ITR (and because while you use it, it already has Void within it), which gives a random elemental strike at IW10
Yes, Void and 0 BUR/ITR is exactly my burning motivation for wanting Ethereal versions of weapons. I need this since I have 0 1h Prof. That 0 1h Prof is a real discouragement from even switching to 1H.What should I offer to pay for an Ethereal 1H Vampire sword? Me wanna that siphon health... I guess I should have something ethereal of slaughter as a backup for when I want to IW my vamp sword. This post has been edited by jacquelope: Aug 17 2015, 01:14
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