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post Aug 10 2015, 18:25
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QUOTE(jacquelope @ Aug 10 2015, 23:19) *

Okay so my last gift from the Monster Lab was Wednesday. My monster (Rowdy Ronda Rouseys Roundhouse, have you encountered her yet? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) ) has maintained top morale, its hunger bar is full, and AFAIK it's active with PL 160. Y u no send me a gift little monster?

And how do I even know it's engaging in any battles? Its Battles Won is zero. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

because there alot of monster with that power lvl (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

You need much higher lvl and chaos to get more gift (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)


QUOTE(utcom @ Aug 10 2015, 23:11) *

Hi, i wanna ask the experts if im doing ok with this build.

[imgur.com] http://imgur.com/x4qDKmr

Im playing with 2h Fine mace of the slaugther 647 crushing 28% stun chance
I wear Heavy armor 2 pieces are superior plate of protection and 3 are fine plate of protection.
My AP: (MAX for mi lvl 170)
Max HP Tank
Max MP Tank
Max SP Tank
Max Better Mana Pot
Max 2H Damage and ACC
Max Everything in the Heavy Armor

Deprecating 1 and 2: Nothing

Supportive 1:
Max: HASTE - CURE - REGEN - SV - ABSORB

Supportive 2:
Max: Prot
Didnt spent AP on SoL because right now its too expensive didnt know if its was worth it.

I played grindfest in normal for 100t without problem i flee because i got bored.
Right now im doing random encounters in NM or Hell

My questions:
Are my proficiency ok ?

do you recomend to start using deprecating spells ? (my biggest problem is mana managment)

Do i drop heavy armor por light ?
am i going to suffer the lower proficiency if i change armor now?
Ty for your time and sorry por bad spelling english isnt my main language

yes , you will need depre magic soon ~ silence

for SG arena and RoB (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

Your prof will match up your lvl soon when your lvl higher (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

If you still want to use 2H , than you maybe need estoc PA for higher difficulty (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
You can combine plate with power to increase your damage since you are using mace (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

If you want to try estoc for high difficulty , make sure your defense stats in good enough to survive (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Better use estoc with shade now (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

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post Aug 10 2015, 18:32
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QUOTE(utcom @ Aug 10 2015, 16:11) *
Im playing with 2h Fine mace of the slaugther 647 crushing 28% stun chance
I wear Heavy armor 2 pieces are superior plate of protection and 3 are fine plate of protection.
If you want to be able to play interesting difficulties (Nintendo+), you might consider using 1h instead. 2h has the worst defense by far of all melee styles.

Plate of Protection is a good choice, though you might look for getting at least Superior, and maybe one or two Power if they happen to drop for you.

With AP, basically fill out all all possible abilities that you ever use, and ignore everything you don't. Ability Boost 40 is probably enough, maybe less. If you do that there's no need to worry about it.
QUOTE(utcom @ Aug 10 2015, 16:11) *
Didnt spent AP on SoL because right now its too expensive didnt know if its was worth it.
SoL is way worth it, upgrade it ASAP. You have more than enough credits for its AB.
QUOTE(utcom @ Aug 10 2015, 16:11) *
I played grindfest in normal for 100t+ without problem i flee because i got bored.
Right now im doing random encounters in NM or Hell

My questions:
Are my proficiency ok ?

do you recomend to start using deprecating spells ? (my biggest problem is mana managment)

Do i drop heavy armor por light ?
am i going to suffer the lower proficiency if i change armor now?
Ty for your time and sorry por bad spelling english isnt my main language
Grindfest is nearly pointless without the crystal perks. Those who can Grindfest with any efficiency are usually level 350+ with a good number of perks already. For more income and better gear, play higher difficulty daily arenas.

Melee can ignore Depreciating in almost all cases. There are a few unusual situations where some might arguably be beneficial (SG arenas, late PF-GF) but you don't need to worry about those for a long time. You can mostly ignore other proficiencies as well, they'll automatically rise with you as you level anyway.

Heavy armor is better than light armor because with heavy armor you can mix in Power and Power Slaughter as your offense/defense requires. (Much better than Shade)
QUOTE(jacquelope @ Aug 10 2015, 16:19) *
Okay so my last gift from the Monster Lab was Wednesday. My monster (Rowdy Ronda Rouseys Roundhouse, have you encountered her yet? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) ) has maintained top morale, its hunger bar is full, and AFAIK it's active with PL 160. Y u no send me a gift little monster?

And how do I even know it's engaging in any battles? Its Battles Won is zero. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
My PL 160-200 monster hasn't won a single battle in around 4 months.

Just bad luck.
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post Aug 10 2015, 19:06
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QUOTE(EsotericSatire @ Aug 10 2015, 06:29) *

Would ninten + power balance gear be good?

hint: check bleed damage during spirit stance, that's how bleed ties with pa.
I guess tenboro knows this well, hence he didn't grant bleed buff proposal, could be wrong though.
Btw, next mitigation balancing will screw both bleed & pa, which also fun to see.
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post Aug 10 2015, 19:19
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QUOTE(nobody_xxx @ Aug 10 2015, 09:25) *

because there alot of monster with that power lvl (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

You need much higher lvl and chaos to get more gift (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

I thought that after 3 days it automatically brings you a gift, right?
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post Aug 10 2015, 19:31
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QUOTE(Dead-ed @ Aug 10 2015, 22:36) *

Btw, next mitigation balancing will screw both bleed & pa, which also fun to see.

Didn't know you were a Maso. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
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post Aug 10 2015, 19:47
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QUOTE(tetron @ Aug 10 2015, 10:31) *

Didn't know you were a Maso. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

You need a screwdriver for your head.

Fun to see, not to play. In other words, i'll go afk since he seems so sure about doing it. Maybe i'll play a little bit for obvious reasons but pain.
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post Aug 10 2015, 19:53
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QUOTE(tetron @ Aug 10 2015, 16:05) *

That was in the beginning of the patch. The clear bonus (or the quality of Tier-7) has most possibly been re-tweaked recently. Have you gotten any Exq grade gear from it for the last 8 days? In PFUDOR that is. At least 7 people that I know (and myself) are getting at least Mag grade from PFUDOR DwD clear bonus for the last 8 days. If that is sheer luck, then I'm speechless. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif)

if only i had 3 spare hours to throw away, i'm pretty confident i may show you that even Exq- is possible (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

QUOTE(karyl123 @ Aug 10 2015, 16:15) *

I use dual. rapier + waki = 75% parry + SV
random heavy armor.

heavy armor eats all the AGI that rapiers and waki can provide, and maybe even a bit of crit. try rapier + waki with full shade of fleet/shadowdancer.

while it's true that i looked for fatality 5 on both weapons and savage prefixes (so my +80% crit damage may be not particularly significative), you can still reach stats like

184.1% hit chance
47.3% crit chance
27.1% attack speed bonus

51% evade chance
74.7% parry chance
59.1% resist chance

which are quite nice overall. if you throw in maxed haste and shadow veil, PF T&T is quite an easy walk. maybe even TT&T (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

QUOTE(Dead-ed @ Aug 10 2015, 19:06) *

Btw, next mitigation balancing will screw both bleed & pa, which also fun to see.

buying a good club was a good move then (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif)
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post Aug 10 2015, 20:05
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QUOTE(Dead-ed @ Aug 10 2015, 23:17) *

You need a screwdriver for your head.

Fun to see, not to play. In other words, i'll go afk since he seems so sure about doing it. Maybe i'll play a little bit for obvious reasons but pain.

(IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

QUOTE(Scremaz @ Aug 10 2015, 23:23) *

if only i had 3 spare hours to throw away, i'm pretty confident i may show you that even Exq- is possible (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Show me. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
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post Aug 10 2015, 20:07
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QUOTE(tetron @ Aug 10 2015, 20:05) *

Show me. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

first time that i have 3 spare hours at work (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
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post Aug 10 2015, 20:09
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Aug 11 2015, 00:53) *

if only i had 3 spare hours to throw away, i'm pretty confident i may show you that even Exq- is possible (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
heavy armor eats all the AGI that rapiers and waki can provide, and maybe even a bit of crit. try rapier + waki with full shade of fleet/shadowdancer.

while it's true that i looked for fatality 5 on both weapons and savage prefixes (so my +80% crit damage may be not particularly significative), you can still reach stats like

184.1% hit chance
47.3% crit chance
27.1% attack speed bonus

51% evade chance
74.7% parry chance
59.1% resist chance

which are quite nice overall. if you throw in maxed haste and shadow veil, PF T&T is quite an easy walk. maybe even TT&T (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
buying a good club was a good move then (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif)


I am just pointing niten is as bad as dual when using power armour (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

but still. non 1h still vulnurable. because mon will keep attack every turn, while 1h can stun em with counter attack for 3 turn.

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post Aug 10 2015, 20:11
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QUOTE(jacquelope @ Aug 11 2015, 00:19) *

I thought that after 3 days it automatically brings you a gift, right?


some random gift. more kills better gift even bindings.
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post Aug 10 2015, 20:16
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QUOTE(karyl123 @ Aug 10 2015, 11:11) *

some random gift. more kills better gift even bindings.

I'm haven't even gotten that since Wednesday.
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post Aug 10 2015, 20:36
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QUOTE(karyl123 @ Aug 10 2015, 20:09) *

I am just pointing niten is as bad as dual when using power armour (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

but still. non 1h still vulnurable. because mon will keep attack every turn, while 1h can stun em with counter attack for 3 turn.

sure. but among all non-1H styles, DW rapier + waki is still quite viable
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post Aug 10 2015, 20:38
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Aug 10 2015, 11:36) *

sure. but among all non-1H styles, DW rapier + waki is still quite viable

pffft.
With ofc as threshold.
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post Aug 10 2015, 20:40
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Aug 11 2015, 00:06) *

sure. but among all non-1H styles, DW rapier + waki is still quite viable

1 Toplister still uses Club+Rapier combo. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
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post Aug 10 2015, 21:27
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QUOTE(Dead-ed @ Aug 10 2015, 20:38) *

pffft.
With ofc as threshold.

tbh, when going DW i prefer to use OC to win a couple of rounds with Spirit Stance rather than one with OFC

QUOTE(tetron @ Aug 10 2015, 20:40) *

1 Toplister still uses Club+Rapier combo. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

hmmm... more details?
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post Aug 10 2015, 22:39
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Aug 11 2015, 00:57) *

hmmm... more details?

Club of Slaughter + Rapier of Balance. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
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post Aug 10 2015, 22:47
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QUOTE(tetron @ Aug 10 2015, 22:39) *

Club of Slaughter + Rapier of Balance. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

obviously. even though at high levels even rapier of nimble may be viable. but i guess neither links nor name would be made public, isn't it?

[edit]: as nothing said. with these new ranges, it seems that shitforging parry on a balance rapier will bring it quite similar to a nimble, while even shitforging both ACC/crit on a nimble rapier won't bring it even close to a balance one. so balance is still better than nimble

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post Aug 10 2015, 22:50
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Drksrpnt, maybe StonyCat? Only two I can think of.

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post Aug 10 2015, 23:03
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meanwhile, another question: wiki says that with Heartseeker

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The target attains intimate knowledge of the flow of life in all living beings, increasing attack power, accuracy and crit chance.

Physical damage bonus: 25%
Physical crit chance bonus: 10%


and with the 'Better Heartseeker' ability:

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Increases the damage of critical melee hits.
Level 345
critdamage=14


but how can i calculate its effect? let's say that my base crit chance is 34%, ability is as such and prof is 350, what will my crit chance become with heartseeker on?
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