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post Aug 7 2015, 18:19
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QUOTE(rfEH @ Aug 7 2015, 22:57) *

Hmm maybe that what i'm doing wrong.

I will spend credits getting OFC then.

Yup slotted ability maybe I need to level up a bit more to get the max version of imperil. But right now I only got

Overwhelming strike+3xPA + Imperil lv3 + Spirit Stance and that really only kills Konata and Mikuru really quickly but the rest are still tough as nails.

My ADB is only 4.5k so that might explain why it so tough.

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Thank you everyone for all the replies and information, I think I have an idea what I need to do now.
I'm gonna sleep on this (literally).
Good night to all (although it may not be night time depending on your time zone)

4.5k is good enough , my friend with higher lvl than you only have around 4k ADB (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

just open WTB for pony , you will get it in no time ~ of course with good price (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

QUOTE(Dead-ed @ Aug 7 2015, 23:02) *

that's what swift strike is for.
I tried with dual rapier+wakizashi, it's easier to spread the procs. With 36.6 speed bonus + haste the duration gets stretched to about 13 turns.

gw kan heavy user ed , bukan light (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)

atk speed only 2.8% ~ without feather


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post Aug 7 2015, 18:25
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QUOTE(nobody_xxx @ Aug 7 2015, 17:20) *

you maybe need more RAW power , try to forge all your gears to lvl 5 since it's cheap , only need some catalyst and materials (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

which cost only 50k each and 25 of them are needed, for a net worth of 1.25M. there are cheaper options (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

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Power-Protection is now stronger than ever before, and thus, for most of the regular power players, it is the most viable choice. New Leg grade power-protections are very good, and also very cheap nowadays.

So my suggestion is: Build a full set of Leg grade Power-Protection. Don't care about the Prefixes, just get whatever you can get your hands on cheap from Auction (50k-100k per piece). You'll see a drastic improvement in your gameplay.

this, for example

QUOTE(tetron @ Aug 7 2015, 17:21) *

2nd, try to get a Shield with Protection/Warding Suffix. But it may be costly so it's not mandatory.

protection/warding suffix on a shield isn't all that useful. on the contrary, with a low budget i'd go for stoneskin, which could be quite cheap - should you be able to find it. if you can spend a bit more, deflection may be a good choice as well, since many attacks are piercing type

QUOTE(tetron @ Aug 7 2015, 17:51) *

Eh? You don't have OFC? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif) That's the 1st thing a 1H+Power user should strive for. It makes a huge difference.

not so mandatory. but surely, a free round every 5~6 is a good thing

QUOTE(rfEH @ Aug 7 2015, 17:57) *

I will spend credits getting OFC then.

this is another good idea. nowadays OFC should cost something like 650~750k. quite cheap, considering that it will at least allow you to walk through PF REs

QUOTE(Dead-ed @ Aug 7 2015, 18:02) *

that's what swift strike is for.
I tried with dual rapier+wakizashi, it's easier to spread the procs. With 36.6 speed bonus + haste the duration gets stretched to about 13 turns.

woah! so this old rapier may be not so useless, isn't it? *.*
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post Aug 7 2015, 18:29
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QUOTE(tetron @ Aug 7 2015, 09:10) *

So you finally mastered the secret art to use 3 weapons at once? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

dual (rapier+wakizashi).
It's 4.
QUOTE(nobody_xxx @ Aug 7 2015, 09:19) *

4.5k is good enough , my friend with higher lvl than you only have around 4k ADB (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

just open WTB for pony , you will get it in no time ~ of course with good price (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)
gw kan heavy user ed , bukan light (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)

atk speed only 2.8% ~ without feather

oh... Okaay...
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post Aug 7 2015, 18:29
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I've got month vacation, so playing from tab and can't test.
It works with:
[sourceforge.net] http://sourceforge.net/projects/trixiewpf45/

But also needs some small changes in script like unsafewindow. Don't rememberwell, but it actually worth.
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post Aug 7 2015, 18:34
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Thanks nobody_xxx and Scremaz for you reply.

I keep saying i'm going to sleep but then another RE popped up I couldn't help myself.

But anyway it would seem I will need to start hunting down ponies now, I've already got 2 of them.

Thanks again for the advice.
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post Aug 7 2015, 18:35
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Aug 7 2015, 21:55) *

protection/warding suffix on a shield isn't all that useful. on the contrary, with a low budget i'd go for stoneskin, which could be quite cheap - should you be able to find it. if you can spend a bit more, deflection may be a good choice as well, since many attacks are piercing type

Every bit of PMI matters. MMI, not that much. +3% extra PMI at the cost of -1.5% Block is actually better. (More than 1.5% Block loss is a waste though)

And yeah, too many Mechanoids lurking around! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif)

QUOTE(Scremaz @ Aug 7 2015, 21:55) *

this is another good idea. nowadays OFC should cost something like 650~750k. quite cheap, considering that it will at least allow you to walk through PF REs

When I got my OFC, it used to cost 1.4m (21 pieces). Though I got mine (Entire 27 pieces) from a Lottery event. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

QUOTE(Scremaz @ Aug 7 2015, 21:55) *

woah! so this old rapier may be not so useless, isn't it? *.*

Make it IW-10. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
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post Aug 7 2015, 18:40
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QUOTE(tetron @ Aug 7 2015, 18:35) *

When I got my OFC, it used to cost 1.4m (21 pieces). Though I got mine (Entire 27 pieces) from a Lottery event. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

when i got mine, ponies sold for even 100~120k at WTS. however, you're on the right pat to be as lucky as dani (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

QUOTE(tetron @ Aug 7 2015, 18:35) *

Make it IW-10. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

really? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)
many people are quite finicky about the strike, so i thought it would have been better to leave it as it is. afterall, swift 5 + fatality 4 is still a good IW. isn't it? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)
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post Aug 7 2015, 18:43
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Aug 7 2015, 23:25) *

which cost only 50k each and 25 of them are needed, for a net worth of 1.25M. there are cheaper options (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
this, for example
protection/warding suffix on a shield isn't all that useful. on the contrary, with a low budget i'd go for stoneskin, which could be quite cheap - should you be able to find it. if you can spend a bit more, deflection may be a good choice as well, since many attacks are piercing type
not so mandatory. but surely, a free round every 5~6 is a good thing
this is another good idea. nowadays OFC should cost something like 650~750k. quite cheap, considering that it will at least allow you to walk through PF REs
woah! so this old rapier may be not so useless, isn't it? *.*


he said have 3M credits at this moment ~ much more than my current credits actually (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)


QUOTE(Dead-ed @ Aug 7 2015, 23:29) *

dual (rapier+wakizashi).
It's 4.

oh... Okaay...


DW (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

bukannya elu pakai niten , ed ?


QUOTE(tetron @ Aug 7 2015, 23:35) *

Every bit of PMI matters. MMI, not that much. +3% extra PMI at the cost of -1.5% Block is actually better. (More than 1.5% Block loss is a waste though)

And yeah, too many Mechanoids lurking around! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif)
When I got my OFC, it used to cost 1.4m (21 pieces). Though I got mine (Entire 27 pieces) from a Lottery event. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
Make it IW-10. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)


he will get fire strike (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

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post Aug 7 2015, 18:45
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Aug 7 2015, 09:25) *

woah! so this old rapier may be not so useless, isn't it? *.*

Dunno, not fond of dw, but that's what i found.
Imagine spreading & refreshing pa on 6 mobs, then toggle stance & use skills to take the advantage. I use it in fsm. I forgot the exact damage multiplier of it, but good with frenzied blow, maybe 2-3x.
Script which shows stacks & duration will help.
QUOTE(nobody_xxx @ Aug 7 2015, 09:43) *

bukannya elu pakai niten , ed ?

My backup set, niten needs dw prof to grow you know (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Use english please. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) It's weird if only both of us who excessively use native tongue, & i'm a shy person. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)

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post Aug 7 2015, 18:45
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QUOTE(nobody_xxx @ Aug 7 2015, 18:43) *

he will get fire strike (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

the troll spoke (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

now i'm even more tempted to not IW10 it...
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post Aug 7 2015, 19:20
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QUOTE(rfEH @ Aug 7 2015, 15:34) *
Already using Imperil the difference is not as good as I was hoping for, seems to have the most effect only on Konata but i'm gonna try a few things to try to kill SG's faster. (I have a feeling i'm doing something wrong)
Imperil cuts physical defense, which is the same thing rapiers do, so that's why Imperil feels mostly useless with rapier.

One might Imperil SGs right before OFC though, if you're on a round where OFC is worth using.
QUOTE(rfEH @ Aug 7 2015, 15:34) *
Maybe I will get full set of leg power protection seems to be the most common type of leg I seem to get. (I swear there is a pattern to the drops people get)
20x more lucky than me, I've never seen any Power above Exq since 0.81 (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)
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post Aug 7 2015, 19:29
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Aug 7 2015, 22:10) *

you're on the right pat to be as lucky as dani (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Nah. He is the luck king. He pulled of Peerless Phase as direct upgrade for his active set from DwD Clear Bonus, remember? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

QUOTE(Scremaz @ Aug 7 2015, 22:10) *

really? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)
many people are quite finicky about the strike, so i thought it would have been better to leave it as it is. afterall, swift 5 + fatality 4 is still a good IW. isn't it? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

Che. My bait failed. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)

QUOTE(nobody_xxx @ Aug 7 2015, 22:13) *

he will get fire strike (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

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That was my intention. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)

QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Aug 7 2015, 22:50) *

Imperil cuts physical defense, which is the same thing rapiers do, so that's why Imperil feels mostly useless with rapier.

Why don't you try it on SG (Imperil+ PA) and see for yourself? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
Besides, aren't you forgetting about the MMI reduction from Imperil, which helps the Elemental Strikes of the weapon? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
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post Aug 7 2015, 19:33
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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Aug 7 2015, 17:20) *

Imperil cuts physical defense, which is the same thing rapiers do, so that's why Imperil feels mostly useless with rapier.

One might Imperil SGs right before OFC though, if you're on a round where OFC is worth using.20x more lucky than me, I've never seen any Power above Exq since 0.81 (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)


Thank Superlatanium for that explanation.

It make sense to me now why imperil doesn't feel like much.

But yeah I had lucky streak recently 4 legendary within 48 hour time window. 2 Leg of protection came from that streak.

But then again I still have zero Phase and zero Staff above Exq from my entire play.

EDIT: OK I will sleep now just had to stay up to reply to some messages ohh another RE.

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post Aug 7 2015, 19:34
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QUOTE(tetron @ Aug 7 2015, 19:29) *

Nah. He is the luck king. He pulled of Peerless Phase as direct upgrade for his active set from DwD Clear Bonus, remember? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

i am 100% self drop (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
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post Aug 7 2015, 20:19
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QUOTE(tetron @ Aug 7 2015, 17:29) *
Why don't you try it on SG (Imperil+ PA) and see for yourself? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
Besides, aren't you forgetting about the MMI reduction from Imperil, which helps the Elemental Strikes of the weapon? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
I did, a few times. It wasn't worth the trouble. When the schoolgirl already has 75% PMI reduction from PA, the effect of Imperil on top of that is too little to be worth it.

Are you saying the strikes from melee weapons do magical and not physical damage? That sounds very odd, what are you taking that from?
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post Aug 8 2015, 03:07
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it seem ED rate from artifact is lower now (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)
only got 25 ED from 132 artifacts yesterday (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/mellow.gif)

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Haven't played this game in a few weeks. Which of the "Drop Chance" training options is useless again? I think it's LotD.

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post Aug 8 2015, 04:00
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QUOTE(nobody_xxx @ Aug 8 2015, 03:07) *

it seem ED rate from artifact is lower now (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)
only got 25 ED from 132 artifacts yesterday (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/mellow.gif)


Ten might be getting back at us for complaining about last elixirs too much.

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Haven't played this game in a few weeks. Which of the "Drop Chance" training options is useless again? I think it's LotD.


I think "useless" is kind of a stretch, but yes that is the one to avoid.

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post Aug 8 2015, 07:25
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QUOTE(Scootaloot @ Aug 7 2015, 20:48) *

Haven't played this game in a few weeks. Which of the "Drop Chance" training options is useless again? I think it's LotD.

Now that salvaging rare armor gives you bonus Energy Cells, LotD might not be so bad. And getting common-tier legendary equipment when it could've been rare-tier legendary equipment is never fun. The new LotD is far from useless, but it's still the weakest of the four drop chance trainings and you definitely shouldn't kill yourself maxing it out.
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post Aug 8 2015, 09:07
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I dropped this (My first legendary and I'm also currently using shortsword XD). Should I soulfuse it ??? Dont think I'd be able to get anything better for a loooong time so..
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