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So, i suppose that to see more information i need to search forum with magic phrase "magic score script"... Thanks, nonetheless.

magic score. if not mage. just forget it (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

So, i suppose that to see more information i need to search forum with magic phrase "magic score script"... Thanks, nonetheless.

Look here first when looking for a script: http://ehwiki.org/wiki/HentaiVerse_Scripts_%26_Tools

Look here first when looking for a script: http://ehwiki.org/wiki/HentaiVerse_Scripts_%26_Tools

Thanks, guys, i have found it already. Exact formula is MDB*(1+EDB)*(1+critDmg*critChance).

Multi-mage isnt very good idea. Main point to use poweful spells, but even t1 wih good edb is stronger.

Thanks, guys, i have found it already. Exact formula is MDB*(1+EDB)*(1+critDmg*critChance).

Well, yes. But there are sub-factors that the script takes into account, eg. INT/WIS

Multi-mage isnt very good idea. Main point to use poweful spells, but even t1 wih good edb is stronger.

Yes, that's conventional wisdom. But, what is limiting your clear speed today? T3 cooldown?

This build attempts to deliver:
- no T3 cooldown limit. Spam T3 spells every round, hitting every monster.
- offset loss in single-element EDB with effect explosion, and MDB + Proficiency build

There's probably some difficulty where this build clears significantly faster than a 'regular' build. Of course, I don't really know whether it would work out. We need a high level mage to try it out - looking at you, Esoteric Satire (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

This post has been edited by mozilla browser: Aug 4 2015, 17:13

Well, yes. But there are other factors that the script takes into account, eg. INT/WIS

That would be need only in case of direct comparing of how much one equip better than another for your setup. I only wanted to get my overall score, so magic base damage pretty much includes everything.

Mutli-elemental builds are difficult and possibly not even viable until level 450.

Level 450

Shocking Redwood of Destruction (archmage 5 and Annhilator 4)
Radiant Fire Cap
Radiant Wind Robe
Frugal Gloves of Elementalist
Radiant Ice Pants
Frugal Shoes of Elementalist

This build should be pretty badass, as you can cycle tier 3 elemental magic and most of the dmg is from MDB and proficiency. Very very specific though.

With Bubble Gum + Flower Vase + Ass Perk. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)

Sounds like an easy way to make all your mana potions disappear..?

ROFLMAO! This is the best comment of the day! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

P.S. - I was thinking the same thing! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Yes, that's conventional wisdom. But, what is limiting your clear speed today? T3 cooldown?

This build attempts to deliver:
- no T3 cooldown limit. Spam T3 spells every round, hitting every monster.
- offset loss in single-element EDB with effect explosion, and MDB + Proficiency build

There's probably some difficulty where this build clears significantly faster than a 'regular' build. Of course, I don't really know whether it would work out. We need a high level mage to try it out - looking at you, Esoteric Satire (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

At Hell, it could work. But I have my doubt for PFUDOR. HV is too monotonous. If this build actually works in PFUDOR or even IWBTH, I'm willing to give it a try.

Yes, that's conventional wisdom. But, what is limiting your clear speed today? T3 cooldown?

Speaking as someone who, just a few days ago, was casting a T3 spell every round and had around 130-160% damage across the elemental board, the strong anecdotal indication is that it doesn't work as well. A big factor is that the explosions just don't help out enough to overcome the lower EDBs. I've been putting thought into trying to figure out why there's such a difference, and here's what I've come up with.

The overall picture comes down to how a monster's mitigations compare*. Let's imagine a mage with 160% in fire and wind versus one with 220% in wind. If the monster has 25% fire mit and 50% wind mit, the mixed mage does 120 + 80 = 200 damage in two rounds, and the wind mage does 110 + 86 = 196 damage in two rounds (using fewer MP because one was a T2 spell). If there are no elemental mitigations, it's 160 x2 = 320 versus 220 + 173 = 393 (again using fewer MP). If the monster has zero fire mit and 50% wind mit, it's 160 + 80 = 240 versus 196.

In other words the generalist really only has an advantage if there's a significant unbalance in monster elemental resist, targeting the elementalist's chosen flavor. It's an advantage if you're facing a bunch of bosses with different and significant weaknesses, but in that case the specialist can probably hack it out well enough too.

*Roughing it out using the 5.5 and 7 base values for T2 and T3 spells, and normalizing to damage of 100 for T3. If you want to toss in 0.73 for explosion damage, then the generalist gets something like 10 extra damage in each example.

Well, yes. But there are sub-factors that the script takes into account, eg. INT/WIS
Yes, that's conventional wisdom. But, what is limiting your clear speed today? T3 cooldown?

This build attempts to deliver:
- no T3 cooldown limit. Spam T3 spells every round, hitting every monster.
- offset loss in single-element EDB with effect explosion, and MDB + Proficiency build

There's probably some difficulty where this build clears significantly faster than a 'regular' build. Of course, I don't really know whether it would work out. We need a high level mage to try it out - looking at you, Esoteric Satire (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

You need to have a magic score of at least 25k to clear well in pfudor.
It's not possible to have 25k for two elements.

I think you're expecting too much out of a T3 spell without much power backing it.

Speaking as someone who, just a few days ago, was casting a T3 spell every round and had around 130-160% damage across the elemental board, the strong anecdotal indication is that it doesn't work as well. A big factor is that the explosions just don't help out enough to overcome the lower EDBs. I've been putting thought into trying to figure out why there's such a difference, and here's what I've come up with.

The overall picture comes down to how a monster's mitigations compare*. Let's imagine a mage with 160% in fire and wind versus one with 220% in wind. If the monster has 25% fire mit and 50% wind mit, the mixed mage does 120 + 80 = 200 damage in two rounds, and the wind mage does 110 + 86 = 196 damage in two rounds (using fewer MP because one was a T2 spell). If there are no elemental mitigations, it's 160 x2 = 320 versus 220 + 173 = 393 (again using fewer MP). If the monster has zero fire mit and 50% wind mit, it's 160 + 80 = 240 versus 196.

In other words the generalist really only has an advantage if there's a significant unbalance in monster elemental resist, targeting the elementalist's chosen flavor. It's an advantage if you're facing a bunch of bosses with different and significant weaknesses, but in that case the specialist can probably hack it out well enough too.

*Roughing it out using the 5.5 and 7 base values for T2 and T3 spells, and normalizing to damage of 100 for T3. If you want to toss in 0.73 for explosion damage, then the generalist gets something like 10 extra damage in each example.

You have a 5turn T3 cooldown, and it is not possible for you to cast T3 every turn. I don't think this strategy.hinges on variance in specific mitigation. I think it hinges on the ability to hit all 10 monsters every turn. I also think you have probably not followed EsotericSatire's build idea - most generalist builds would not work.

Doubtless, the specialist will deal more raw damage to those monsters that he hits. But he cannot hit all monsters each turn. Even with high damage, he cannot clear rounds with > 7 mobs in less than 4 turns on average.

Where the specialist might reach 400 edb (500%), the generalist would struggle to average 80 edb (180%) because he is mdb-focused. But if one, two or three T3s can clear a round, he may be faster than the overkill of a specialist, who is casting T2,T1,T1 while still waiting for his T3 to come off cool down.

At least, I think that's the idea of this build. Why doesn't EsotericSatire come out to explain it?

You need to have a magic score of at least 25k to clear well in pfudor.
It's not possible to have 25k for two elements.

I think you're expecting too much out of a T3 spell without much power backing it.

Yeah, I doubt it would work in pfudor. I think it would work in normal - which is not practically useful.

Help! Should I reforge?


Legendary Demonic Katalox Staff of Destruction

Penetrator lvl 2 (First two levels of course :-( )
ArchMage lvl4
Spellweaver lvl 3 (How bad is this?)

Help! Should I reforge?


Legendary Demonic Katalox Staff of Destruction

Penetrator lvl 2 (First two levels of course :-( )
ArchMage lvl4
Spellweaver lvl 3 (How bad is this?)

First see how your mana consumption is. That will inform you whether or not you need a few levels of Eco or not. You don't necessarily need Eco 5, but 0 eco may result in you being forced to use too many mana potions... try it and see.

Archmage is OK since you have Destruction staff. Penetrator is good. Spellweaver 3 is defensive, useful in GF for taking less damage, but more Penetrator and Eco is probably better.

First see how your mana consumption is. That will inform you whether or not you need a few levels of Eco or not. You don't necessarily need Eco 5, but 0 eco may result in you being forced to use too many mana potions... try it and see.

Archmage is OK since you have Destruction staff. Penetrator is good. Spellweaver 3 is defensive, useful in GF for taking less damage, but more Penetrator and Eco is probably better.

I'm currently using Magnificent Demonic Katalox Staff of Destruction, which will be salvaged once I can decide if this

I never have to use any many elixers with this, however after trying with the legendary staff, I'm using 1-2 mana elixers per 100 rounds.


With 24 Amnesia shards (15 if I reforge), is it worth going for a Archmage/Penetrator/Economizer or more likely to waste all 24 shards before I get it?

Using elixirs regularly is not good for your wallet. I'd reforge, start with Eco 1 or reforge, and avoid Annihilator and Spellweaver until after level 4 or so (hopefully never).

I was wonder, I am holding on to a lot of old gear, I suppose I had hopes of eventually selling unassigned gear but with newer drops seeming to be of superior quality is there any reason to not just bazaar these? Is there a market for these things? I am talking about exq and mag stuff.

Value?

[Rapier-0]Magnificent Ethereal Rapier of Slaughter

This post has been edited by piyin: Aug 5 2015, 05:20

Value?

[Rapier-0]Magnificent Ethereal Rapier of Slaughter

just see some auction (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

just see some auction (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

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Darn, N! Why do you always reply with spam posts to my questions? did i do anything against you?
if im asking to the EXPERTS is because im expecting to get some INFO... not a "go the fudge out here"... or there are no experts here? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

This post has been edited by piyin: Aug 5 2015, 06:05

Value?

[Rapier-0]Magnificent Ethereal Rapier of Slaughter

50-100k, if you're lucky. Can't expect 0.83 mag stuffs to sell well