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hey , how about my question , buddy (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif)

Which question? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

Which question? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

already forget about what we talk yesterday in PM (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

already forget about what we talk yesterday in PM (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

Oh, that. Once I'm done with it today, I'll send you the data. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

My full Obsolete set was
22k

My set after that was:
20K (drop due to the introduction of proficiency cotton)

My current completely new and greatly improved set is
24k

Is that 24k magic score with 5 phase or 4p1c? Seems a bit odd that 1 phase would only have been 2k magic score.

I'm just 20 levels below you, and I was struggling with 15k a while ago. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

Can I ask how this came about? fully forged staff and 4 radiant phase? Or something else - I'm wondering if my gear is all wrong or if I just need to forge like crazy or something.

Is that 24k magic score with 5 phase or 4p1c? Seems a bit odd that 1 phase would only have been 2k magic score.

I'm just 20 levels below you, and I was struggling with 15k a while ago. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

Can I ask how this came about? fully forged staff and 4 radiant phase? Or something else - I'm wondering if my gear is all wrong or if I just need to forge like crazy or something.

I think you need to forge like crazy (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

Magic score is very lvl bound. Same gear at my lvl can be easy 20k and 25-26k at 450.
But yea, its mostly forging. At least 30/60 staff and after that some phase also.

This post has been edited by nec1986: Jul 19 2015, 11:50

Thanks for answering my previous questions.

3.
Assumed that one plays 5000x Ninfest rounds (ex: holy_demon), statistically speaking, how many extra chaos tokens will one gain monthly, after upgrading Tokenizer I to II?

E(i): Expected value of number of daily tokens, with Tokenizer level i.
Assumed that every round has 5x monsters on average.
E(0) = 0.1 * (1-0.04) * (1-0.001) * 0.002 * 5 * 5000 = 4.7952
E(1) = 0.1 * (1-0.04) * (1-0.001) * 0.004 * 5 * 5000 = 9.5904
E(2) = 0.1 * (1-0.04) * (1-0.001) * 0.006 * 5 * 5000 = 14.3856
E(3) = 0.1 * (1-0.04) * (1-0.001) * 0.008 * 5 * 5000 = 19.1808

(E(2)-E(1))*30 = 143.856
If 80% of the tokens are chaos tokens, then the number of extra chaos tokens per month = 143.856 * 0.8 = 115.0848

This post has been edited by djackallstar: Jul 19 2015, 14:05

If 80% of the tokens are chaos tokens, then the number of extra chaos tokens per month = 143.856 * 0.8 = 115.0848

I thought the amount would have been more with Tokenier, since I get ~15-20 Chaos Tokens per day just from Arena itself (Don't have any Tokenizer). (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/mellow.gif)

Thanks for answering my previous questions.
E(i): Expected value of number of daily tokens, with Tokenizer level i.
Assumed that every round has 5x monsters on average.
E(0) = 0.1 * (1-0.04) * (1-0.001) * 0.002 * 5 * 5000 = 4.7952
E(1) = 0.1 * (1-0.04) * (1-0.001) * 0.004 * 5 * 5000 = 9.5904
E(2) = 0.1 * (1-0.04) * (1-0.001) * 0.006 * 5 * 5000 = 14.3856
E(3) = 0.1 * (1-0.04) * (1-0.001) * 0.008 * 5 * 5000 = 19.1808

(E(2)-E(1))*30 = 143.856
If 80% of the tokens are chaos tokens, then the number of extra chaos tokens per month = 143.856 * 0.8 = 115.0848

Not Exactly correct ... E is influenced by Scavenger, Quartermaster and Archaeologist. (see roll order wiki)
So E(x) is actually ...

CODE

t is Tokenizer Level
s is Scavenger Level
q is Quartermaster Level
a is Archaeologist Level

Then...
D(s) = (0.1 + 0.001 * s)
X(s, q) = D(s) * (0.04 + 0.002 * q)
A(s, q, a) = (D(s) - X(q)) * (0.002 + a * 0.0002)
T(s, q, a, t) = (D(s) - X(q) - A(a)) * 0.002 * (t + 1)

Plug T in E ...
E(s, q, a, t) = T(s, q, a, t) * 5 * 5000

[No, i did not factor in the PL Bonus :P]

So, with no drop trainings i end up with 143.7 Token difference per 30days.
And with full trainings i end up with 206.2 Token difference per 30 days.

If i factor in 10% bonus drop from PL (just add to D(s)), that's 287.4 per 30days without training and 343.6 with full training.

But iirc, i read somewhere, that the token difference from tokenizer only applies to chaos tokens ... if that's true, you don't even have to multiplicate with 0.8 at the end (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Also, since i'm smartassing anyway right now ... (E(2)-E(1)) = E(1) * 2 - E(1) = E(1) *cough* (sorry (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif))

I thought the amount would have been more with Tokenier, since I get ~15-20 Chaos Tokens per day just from Arena itself (Don't have any Tokenizer). (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/mellow.gif)

Arena has the token drop bonus on finish (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)

This post has been edited by simrock87: Jul 19 2015, 15:38

The Wiki says that doing the arenas also has this reward:

There is also a 15-25%? chance for a token to drop in addition to the usual rewards. This chance increases for higher-level arenas.

I want to try to do some maging as many players says that maging is faster than meleeing in grindfest.

So I have a few questions:

What's currently the best element for a mage?
And what kind of staff do I need?
Which abilities do I have to unlock?

And what kind of staff do I need?

Generally speaking,
Destruction Staff > EDB Staff > Proficiency/Focus Staff

Holy mages are looking for:
Peerless/Legendary Hallowed Katalox Staff of Destruction
Peerless/Legendary Hallowed Oak Staff of Heimdall
Peerless/Legendary Hallowed Katalox Staff of Heimdall
Peerless/Legendary Hallowed Katalox Staff of the Heaven-sent

Dark mages are looking for:
Peerless/Legendary Demonic Willow Staff of Destruction
Peerless/Legendary Demonic Katalox Staff of Destruction
Peerless/Legendary Demonic Katalox Staff of Fenrir
Peerless/Legendary Demonic Katalox Staff of the Demon-fiend

Wind mages are looking for:
Peerless/Legendary Tempestuous Willow Staff of Destruction
Peerless/Legendary Tempestuous Redwood Staff of Destruction
Peerless/Legendary Tempestuous Redwood Staff of Freyr
Peerless/Legendary Tempestuous Redwood Staff of the Elementalist

Elec mages are looking for:
Peerless/Legendary Shocking Willow Staff of Destruction
Peerless/Legendary Shocking Redwood Staff of Destruction
Peerless/Legendary Shocking Redwood Staff of Mjolnir
Peerless/Legendary Shocking Redwood Staff of the Elementalist

Cold mages are looking for:
Peerless/Legendary Arctic Redwood Staff of Destruction
Peerless/Legendary Arctic Redwood Staff of Nifheim
Peerless/Legendary Arctic Redwood Staff of the Elementalist
Peerless/Legendary Arctic Oak Staff of xxx

Fiery mages are looking for:
Peerless/Legendary Fiery Redwood Staff of Destruction
Peerless/Legendary Fiery Redwood Staff of Surtr
Peerless/Legendary Fiery Redwood Staff of the Elementalist
Peerless/Legendary Fiery Oak Staff of xxx


This post has been edited by djackallstar: Jul 19 2015, 17:08

What's currently the best element for a mage?
Which abilities do I have to unlock?

I'd say any element except dark. Holy is still op but you need eco+frugal/randiant to keep it up. Wind/Elec seem trendier this time around though...

As for potencies: Eco 5 is a must, any other should be okay (except spellweaver maybe...)

I want to try to do some maging as many players says that maging is faster than meleeing in grindfest.

So I have a few questions:

What's currently the best element for a mage?
And what kind of staff do I need?
Which abilities do I have to unlock?

Holy/Elec/Wind - These are the elements you should look for.

Dark is dead right now. Fire/Cold has very low supply of good quality gears in the market.

For Staff, "Destruction" is the best Suffix, with 48+ base "Magic Damage".

Best IW Potency combo for the Staff is "Economizer Lv.5 + Penetrator Lv.4".

You only need 100 level of Elemental Proficiency to unlock the highest level of offensive Elemental Spells, and 200 level of Divine Proficiency for offensive Holy Spells.

If you want to go for Elemental and if your goal is to play at PFUDOR, you may also consider getting 30 level of Deprecating Proficiency to unlock Imperil. That spell is Elemental Mage's best friend in high difficulty.

This post has been edited by tetron: Jul 19 2015, 18:48

holy and dark are now equal cos holy no longer has any cure bonus.

fire/ice/elec/wind has a slightly lower damage than holy/dark but has quicker casting time and lower mana cost.

holy/dark is better for SG arenas.

fire/ice/elec/wind is better for GF run.


please note that "mage is faster/better than melee in xxx" is only true when you are comparing a heavily forged mage set against a heavily forged melee set.

melee is still better if you are not going to heavily forge them.

This post has been edited by hentai_fusion: Jul 19 2015, 19:23

holy and dark are now equal cos holy no longer has any cure bonus.

Nope. Holy is better than dark because of two things:
1. Innate Mitigation Reduction feature, because of which Holy is faster than Dark.
2. Mana theft, which is very easy to use in SG rounds. Dark's Spirit Theft is now obsolete.

melee is still better if you are going to heavily forge them.

Nope.

I think melee is better when you can attack more than 4t/s like HTTP in the past (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

but mage also doesn't have cooldown in the past (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

that era is long gone (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)

Nope.

typo error there.

i forgot a not.

For elemental mage should I get a redwood or willow staff?

I guess that radiant is the best preffix for armor, or not? After that is it charged or the matching elemental preffix?

typo error there.

i forgot a not.

Still nope. Unforged Mage is still faster. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

For elemental mage should I get a redwood or willow staff?

I guess that radiant is the best preffix for armor, or not? After that is it charged or the matching elemental preffix?

Redwood.

Yep. Radiant is the best Prefix.

Charged is for Grindfest.

For armor, matching Elemental prefix doesn't do shit. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

I think melee is better when you can attack more than 4t/s like HTTP in the past (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

but mage also doesn't have cooldown in the past (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

that era is long gone (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)

stop living in the past, or you need to jump back in time. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)