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Which is better:
Divine proficiency :+16.00

or

Elemental Damage Bonuses
Holy : +16.00

Asking because is it better to buy Heimdall or Heaven-Sent equipment for better holy damage.

Holy EDB, no doubt

the approximate damage formula tells us that 2 point in prof. is almost 1 point in EDB
And getting 1 point of EDB is still better if you compare with 2 point of prof., as your character already has natural magic prof.
It's better to spread among MDM, EDB and prof. as possible

Holy EDB has another good thing: it raises the effect of cure

This post has been edited by varst: Jul 7 2011, 08:58

How do you effectively train up proficiency? I have 44.10 in staff proficiency and it's really difficult to lvl it up for some reason.

I thought just attacking stuffs would up it quite fast since it usually goes quickly if proficiency is too low compare to your current lvl.

I'd just attack for 30 rounds and not gain any. I also tried to do magic missile but it also doesn't do much.

Plus, is it even worth doing it in the first place?

How do you effectively train up proficiency? I have 44.10 in staff proficiency and it's really difficult to lvl it up for some reason.

I thought just attacking stuffs would up it quite fast since it usually goes quickly if proficiency is too low compare to your current lvl.

I'd just attack for 30 rounds and not gain any. I also tried to do magic missile but it also doesn't do much.

Plus, is it even worth doing it in the first place?

By playing as a mage for a long, long, long time. I've been playing as a straight mage for over two years and have never been anywhere near having my staff proficiency maxed. There is no shortcut to boosting your staff proficiency. Also, IIRC it doesn't increase with melee attacks, only magic attacks, which includes Magic Missile.

And it's worth doing at least to the point that you cap your coalesced mana chance.

I've been playing as a straight mage for over two years

All mages are a bit limp-wristed, pookie.

By playing as a mage for a long, long, long time. I've been playing as a straight mage for over two years and have never been anywhere near having my staff proficiency maxed. There is no shortcut to boosting your staff proficiency. Also, IIRC it doesn't increase with melee attacks, only magic attacks, which includes Magic Missile.

And it's worth doing at least to the point that you cap your coalesced mana chance.

I maybe wrong, but AFAIK staff prof. can be increased with melee attacks, that is, crushing everything with your staff.

It's because I used to turn the difficulty to cake, then crush everything with staff only in order to gain staff prof.
You just need to press a button, then another, then another...
It's really tedious and boring to train it. Just a bit better than killing everything with magic missile.

Edit: Confirmed that, staff prof. did increase with melee attack.

6 2 You crit Scary Ghost for 701 crushing damage.
6 1 You gain 0.02 points of staff proficiency.

This post has been edited by varst: Jul 7 2011, 21:56

playing melee is the shortcut to bulging forearms

playing melee is the shortcut to bulging forearms

I thought that was masturbating?

All mages are a bit limp-wristed, pookie.

playing melee is the shortcut to bulging forearms

Yup, I'm a buff mage, bro. My muscles won't atrophy that much just because I stopped beating monster's faces in a couple of years ago.

I maybe wrong, but AFAIK staff prof. can be increased with melee attacks, that is, crushing everything with your staff.

It's because I used to turn the difficulty to cake, then crush everything with staff only in order to gain staff prof.
You just need to press a button, then another, then another...
It's really tedious and boring to train it. Just a bit better than killing everything with magic missile.

Edit: Confirmed that, staff prof. did increase with melee attack.

6 2 You crit Scary Ghost for 701 crushing damage.
6 1 You gain 0.02 points of staff proficiency.

Maybe is was magic only a while back and then changed to include melee. I definitely remember some bitching about how hard is was to increase staff proficiency and a change to make it easier. At any rate, there's nothing to make you gain staff proficiency any faster other than Assimilator training.

This post has been edited by hitokiri84: Jul 7 2011, 22:05

playing melee is the shortcut to bulging forearms

You are supposed to play melee using your feet!

Damn, time to figure out how much I need and then stop.

Sounds like an annoying process. The staffing part that is.

This post has been edited by eushully: Jul 7 2011, 22:25

You are supposed to play melee using your feet!

bulging... calf muscles? (for some reason i thought cow when i typed that - RAWR BULGING COW MUSCLES)

Damn, time to figure out how much I need and then stop.

Sounds like an annoying process. The staffing part that is.

https://forums.e-hentai.org/index.php?showtopic=38059 <- why stop? +0.5% spell dmg is pretty hot imo. and i think it'll take a while to hit 35% chance. so far with 201int/171wis/75prof i get 25%. even if my prof doubled, it'd only go up to 30%. tl;dr, i think we have a ways to go (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Maybe is was magic only a while back and then changed to include melee. I definitely remember some bitching about how hard is was to increase staff proficiency and a change to make it easier. At any rate, there's nothing to make you gain staff proficiency any faster other than Assimilator training.

I believe the change was adding in the ability to gain proficiency with magic missile. Originally you could only get staff proficiency with melee attacks.

I believe the change was adding in the ability to gain proficiency with magic missile. Originally you could only get staff proficiency with melee attacks.

I think you are correct. Good memory.

- Magic Missile is now a free cast. However, using it will no longer increase proficiencies. (It is still affected by Elemental Magic proficiency.)

- If you cast Magic Missile and you're using the Staff fighting style, you now have the same chance to gain Staff Proficiency as with normal attacks.

The sad thing is that nobody actually commented my current character status =\
I feel like doing something wrong again. Something I'm going to regret soooooon enough.

The sad thing is that nobody actually commented my current character status =\
I feel like doing something wrong again. Something I'm going to regret soooooon enough.

gratulations, have some cake (the cake is a lie) and keep going even you'll never catch the dragon. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

/sigh
I wonder if picking 150% overcharge instead of +exp was a good idea at this point?

you melee! you mad?

AFAIK overcharge only affects melee
Until Lvl 200 you won't have much freedom in spending your AP, even if you ability boost to 70+ and spend much artifacts on random AP
But don't keep resetting your ability tree, or you end up spending too much credits in that later when it's really necessary.

Every single high-level up there is a mage... Is there any 250+ 2h-melee player? I mean, do I even have a slightest chance of clearing this whole "game content"?

bunko and cmal are both melee iirc

e: and i think cmdct is a mage using melee gear

This post has been edited by dcherry: Jul 8 2011, 00:32

Every single high-level up there is a mage... Is there any 250+ 2h-melee player? I mean, do I even have a slightest chance of clearing this whole "game content"?

There's one guy, and I'm currently clearing some nasty IWBTH challenges with 2W. cmal, I don't know if he's melee retired player.

Edit:

e: and i think cmdct is a mage using melee gear

No, I'm maging with mage gear to get moneys, and meleeing sometimes with mage gear for fun (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

This post has been edited by cmdct: Jul 8 2011, 00:37