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post Jul 13 2015, 19:31
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QUOTE(piyin @ Jul 13 2015, 23:46) *

Sold the shoes for 2M... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)... not bad, uh? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

you can get more than that (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
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post Jul 13 2015, 19:54
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QUOTE(piyin @ Jul 13 2015, 22:16) *

Sold the shoes for 2M... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)... not bad, uh? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Err...I'm sure holy_demon was ROFL when he paid you 2m.

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post Jul 13 2015, 20:01
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QUOTE(tetron @ Jul 13 2015, 19:54) *

Err...I'm sure holy_demon was ROFL when he paid you 2m.


Yeah, but i own him because he made a great work with his scripts... so i feel like letting him have that one for that price... also... looks like he mistake the stuff: he told me to sell him some heimdall cotton...???.
Also i got another one just a couple of hrs ago... so bet now i can put a right price on it... dont? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Edit: But to be honest: i was selling that one and the warding one on my shop for 150k... so 2m vs 150k... i won anyway... as it looks ppl oesnt check my shop that often... they never know what stuff i put there... oh well... c'est la vie!

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post Jul 13 2015, 20:02
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QUOTE(tetron @ Jul 14 2015, 00:54) *

Err...I'm sure holy_demon was ROFL when he paid you 2m.

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post Jul 13 2015, 20:05
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Looks like this season gonna be fun.
Shimoneta: A Boring World Where the Concept of Dirty Jokes Doesn't Exist
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And some bd releases.
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post Jul 13 2015, 20:40
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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Jul 13 2015, 01:00) *

It(Swift Strike) almost does not change the average number of hits needed to kill - the only effect is the very slightly reduced number of heals needed due to monsters dying a bit faster.

I thought that Haste Spell was pretty good, it does not behave similarly to Swift Strike?

Or Haste is not that good?
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post Jul 13 2015, 20:44
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Its very good, but its defensive. Thats why ppl dont rly like it. Specially with endless pots.
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post Jul 13 2015, 20:49
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QUOTE(piyin @ Jul 13 2015, 14:01) *

it looks ppl oesnt check my shop that often... they never know what stuff i put there... oh well... c'est la vie!


That's because most of the stuff in your shop is like this;
[GS-Two-handed-6]Superior Ethereal Longsword of Slaughter 20k


Just a tip, only stock good magnificent and legendary items.
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post Jul 13 2015, 20:53
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Action speed bonus is both defensive & offensive stat.
Just try combining it with non-ticking debuff to know what it means.
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post Jul 13 2015, 21:15
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QUOTE(Dead-ed @ Jul 13 2015, 20:53) *

Action speed bonus is both defensive & offensive stat.
Just try combining it with non-ticking debuff to know what it means.

so, swift strike lv5 may be actually good? i ask because i may think about auctioning that rapier if final potencies are swift 5 (provided it's actually useful) and fatality 4.
also, which debuffs are non-ticking?
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post Jul 13 2015, 21:25
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QUOTE(piyin @ Jul 13 2015, 23:31) *

Yeah, but i own him because he made a great work with his scripts... so i feel like letting him have that one for that price.

Indeed. SpellSpam and Item Manager are super useful. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

QUOTE(piyin @ Jul 13 2015, 23:31) *

Also i got another one just a couple of hrs ago... so bet now i can put a right price on it... dont? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Link please. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

QUOTE(piyin @ Jul 13 2015, 23:31) *

Edit: But to be honest: i was selling that one and the warding one on my shop for 150k... so 2m vs 150k... i won anyway.

150k??? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/faint.gif)

QUOTE(piyin @ Jul 13 2015, 23:31) *

as it looks ppl oesnt check my shop that often... they never know what stuff i put there... oh well... c'est la vie!

Many top level buyers buy equipments from Auctions only, just because there are way too many shops around. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

QUOTE(nec1986 @ Jul 13 2015, 23:35) *

Looks like this season gonna be fun.
Shimoneta: A Boring World Where the Concept of Dirty Jokes Doesn't Exist
Prison School

And some bd releases.

Screw those. The Anime of "Himouto! Umaru-chan" has started last week, and I'm eagerly waiting for the Anime Adaption of "One Punch Man". (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wub.gif)
"Plastic Memories" is one of the Anime that I won't forget for quite some time. it was too much of a Feel Zone. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/anime_cry.gif)

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post Jul 13 2015, 21:27
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QUOTE(Darukunesu @ Jul 13 2015, 18:40) *
I thought that Haste Spell was pretty good, it does not behave similarly to Swift Strike?

Or Haste is not that good?
Casting Haste, the cost is losing out on something like 1/200th more damage (if you had attacked that turn instead), while the benefit is having other buffs last some 1.4x as long before you need to recast (so average damage per turn probably actually goes up, not down, due to much less frequent re-casting turns). Haste also significantly reduces average damage taken each turn, giving you more warning to cast Fullcure (to avoid Spark). Casting Haste (or having it on IA) is definitely better than the alternative of not casting Haste.

But with Swift Strike, the action speed boost is a whole lot less, nowhere close to Haste's - and unlike Haste, using SS forces you to give up other potencies, other potencies which directly increase your clearing speed by a notable amount.

If SS was nearly free, like casting Haste is, then sure, it might be nice to have - but given other potencies you could have instead, the opportunity cost is too much.
QUOTE(Dead-ed @ Jul 13 2015, 18:53) *
Action speed bonus is both defensive & offensive stat.
Offensive? I don't think so, at least not for Swift Strike. Even Haste's offensive boost is minimal at best, and SS requires giving up on other much more turn-efficient potencies.
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post Jul 13 2015, 21:49
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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Jul 14 2015, 00:57) *

Casting Haste, the cost is losing out on something like 1/200th more damage (if you had attacked that turn instead), while the benefit is having other buffs last some 1.4x as long before you need to recast (so average damage per turn probably actually goes up, not down, due to much less frequent re-casting turns). Haste also significantly reduces average damage taken each turn, giving you more warning to cast Fullcure (to avoid Spark). Casting Haste (or having it on IA) is definitely better than the alternative of not casting Haste.

But with Swift Strike, the action speed boost is a whole lot less, nowhere close to Haste's - and unlike Haste, using SS forces you to give up other potencies, other potencies which directly increase your clearing speed by a notable amount.

If SS was nearly free, like casting Haste is, then sure, it might be nice to have - but given other potencies you could have instead, the opportunity cost is too much.

SS is best for DW and Niten, and to some extent, 2H. Tried and True. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
Though it's definitely not any good for 1h. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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post Jul 13 2015, 21:54
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QUOTE(tetron @ Jul 13 2015, 19:49) *
SS is best for DW and Niten, and to some extent, 2H. Tried and True. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
Can you say why you think that? SS seems worse for turn efficiency.
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post Jul 13 2015, 22:25
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QUOTE(jenga201 @ Jul 13 2015, 20:49) *

That's because most of the stuff in your shop is like this;
[GS-Two-handed-6]Superior Ethereal Longsword of Slaughter 20k

Just a tip, only stock good magnificent and legendary items.


Most isnt 100%... right?
Treasures are valuable BECAUSE there are just a few of them... so in my shop (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool.gif) .
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post Jul 13 2015, 22:26
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Jul 13 2015, 12:15) *

so, swift strike lv5 may be actually good? i ask because i may think about auctioning that rapier if final potencies are swift 5 (provided it's actually useful) and fatality 4.
also, which debuffs are non-ticking?

i meant non-drain, strike dependant. E.g. imperil.
In my case, losing 5% means i lose 1 attack to be applied on pa. The similar will happen to imperil.
Explanation from superlatanium is better.
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post Jul 13 2015, 22:32
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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Jul 14 2015, 01:24) *

Can you say why you think that? SS seems worse for turn efficiency.

Didn't we already had a heated discussion about that topic in this very same thread just a few months ago? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

I don't see any point in doing it all over again. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)
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post Jul 13 2015, 22:39
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QUOTE(tetron @ Jul 13 2015, 22:32) *

Didn't we already had a heated discussion about that topic in this very same thread just a few months ago? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

I don't see any point in doing it all over again. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

i don't remember it. can you at least summarize? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)
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post Jul 13 2015, 22:53
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Can anyone give me an idea an idea of their monsters Wins/Kills per day?

My best Three Monsters:
Sprite 773 -
Mechanoid 600-
Undead 625

I average maybe .3 wins a day with my best guy:


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Tips?

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post Jul 13 2015, 23:08
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QUOTE(tetron @ Jul 13 2015, 20:32) *
Didn't we already had a heated discussion about that topic in this very same thread just a few months ago?
Not with me, at least. It would be nice if you at least have some numbers...
QUOTE(cwx @ Jul 13 2015, 20:53) *
I average maybe .3 wins a day with my best guy
Is a tiny bit of Overpower not good?

My best monster is PL 180-something and hasn't gotten a win in at least 2 months, but I still get automatic gifts so I'm happy.
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