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I'm thinking about trying to do some Mage style fighting but I'm not sure what equipment and Abilities would be best to use. Anyone have any tips? Also what spells are best to use. Thanks

Staff with prefix type matching staff type, and suffix matching one of EDB/MDB/Proficiency for that element. Then, 3 Phase of that element, and 2 proficiency cotton for that element. Forge proficiency to 20 or whatever you can afford, but don't forge Phase yet because it's too expensive. IW staff to 5 Eco and forge important stats to 5, maybe to 10 or more if you have the funds. Then spellspam your way to profit.

Holy, dark, and wind are generally expensive, so you're probably best looking for one of the other elements.

Staff with prefix type matching staff type, and suffix matching one of EDB/MDB/Proficiency for that element. Then, 3 Phase of that element, and 2 proficiency cotton for that element. Forge proficiency to 20 or whatever you can afford, but don't forge Phase yet because it's too expensive. IW staff to 5 Eco and forge important stats to 5, maybe to 10 or more if you have the funds. Then spellspam your way to profit.

Holy, dark, and wind are generally expensive, so you're probably best looking for one of the other elements.

Thanks for the Tips I appreciate it

Patch came out. 25m staff I bought (won) before with sub-L EDB turned into mostly trash, given high-end potential. Elemental's strength in lower difficulty GF due to low mana costs almost disappeared, now that tapping is unnecessary and potions are unlimited and still relatively cheap. I'm tempted, but knowing my luck, if I try to get more good stuff, it'll be "rebalanced" into the ground a couple weeks later, and if I soulfuse, I won't even be able to trade it away, even at a loss.

As far as I can tell, we are seeing more Leg cotton/phase with L+/P primary stats. And not so much for staffs, rapiers, etc. Is an L or sub-L EDB on a staff so trash? (I'm getting buyer's remorse)

I don't think the individual monster has much of an effect on the chance of a winning battle. The difference is between (1 of the 7? monsters has no chaos investment) and (1 of the 7? monsters has high chaos investment). I'm making up numbers here, but it might be the difference between 0.03% and 0.04%. Given increasing chaos costs, the most effective chaos strategy for a certain set of your monsters is likely something similar to only very lightly upgrading the important upgrades on each. Your monsters won't be surprising players by doing a ton of damage, or by being able to tank a whole lot of hits, but even and light chaos upgrades across all monsters will maximize overall damage done and overall damage that can be absorbed, which I would think would be the most efficient way of increasing your chances of a win per chaos token spent. Your monsters probably won't get many killing blows, but that's OK.

Besides, it'd hurt less when you come across your own monster and it kills you.

Problem 3. Unpopular doesn't mean that the class will appears in battle more often.
There are way more Giants than Avions in any PL ranges; however, there is no statistical evidence showing that the class "Giant" appears more often than the class "Avion" on average in one battle round. (the "class", not #monsters in that class)

I don't understand this (which probably doesn't mean much in the context of the other problems)

If there are way more Giants than Avions, and they appear similarly often in battles, it should be the case that your Avion has a higher chance of appearing than your Giant, right?

Problem 4. What PL range is the most profitable for an unpopular monster?
A popular monster like Giant does well whether PL=250 or PL=1499, due to high HP an high damage.
But to an unpopular monster, it might only work well in a narrower PL range, to players with certain type. (ex: heavy armor)
Finding out the correct PL range is the hard part, and the PL range is subject to change. (when a patch comes or when popular play styles change.)

Popular monster may also be subject to change, eg. in the rumored mitigation balancing patch.

Well, if we speak about high pl than main source of wins is flee. I dont remember when last time monster killed me. Even as mage. And specially we can clearly see it after patch, because with better sustain monsters got huge win drop.

Sure some type can affect it. So if i play mage in fest and its the only way for monsters to win than i flee mostly because have low sp. Its mp attacks and if we look at mp attacks than someone like giant is quite bad. He has 2 mp attacks and both is average. Even sprite can hit almost in 1.5x harder with powerful one. But weak side here is giant has higher chance to hit. Actually i dont rly think we should rly focus on it, because if its remain mobs than i anyway kill it and flee only in next round. So you can see its quite hard to say who is rly better and sometimes its just random, because i flee next round against em. Sometimes its just second half of mobs, because they remain and i had to flee. Someone just clear until specific round or something similar.

So here random is very high part. And rest part can easy be even equal, because almost all have some advantage (maybe except someone like avion, but almost no one has it). Weak class very often has resist and huge power. Actually daimon has much stronger base damage than arthropod. In late rounds base damage can be dangerous also. In this case few daimons can damage more than few arthropods. The only way to check is get data from top monster handlers like 2250 pl with fullchaos upgrade.

And yea. Monsters has equal chance to come out. No matter class. Only pl. The higher pl the closer to max possibly and lower competition.

As far as I can tell, we are seeing more Leg cotton/phase with L+/P primary stats. And not so much for staffs, rapiers, etc. Is an L or sub-L EDB on a staff so trash? (I'm getting buyer's remorse)

On destruction staff, it's okay, on edb or prof staff, it's kinda bad. However, if it's cheap, the cost efficiency will be good.

As far as I can tell, we are seeing more Leg cotton/phase with L+/P primary stats. And not so much for staffs, rapiers, etc. Is an L or sub-L EDB on a staff so trash? (I'm getting buyer's remorse)

...What do you regret buying?

Staff with prefix type matching staff type, and suffix matching one of EDB/MDB/Proficiency for that element. Then, 3 Phase of that element, and 2 proficiency cotton for that element.

I think proficiency cotton is more useful when you spellspam through lower difficulties. Playing on PFUDOR means most of the time the monster you're casting on is going to be under Imperil in which case extra mitigation might not be as good as pure raw damage although the counter-resist can be handy.

As far as I can tell, we are seeing more Leg cotton/phase with L+/P primary stats. And not so much for staffs, rapiers, etc. Is an L or sub-L EDB on a staff so trash? (I'm getting buyer's remorse)

I don't know how it is at the higher levels but I don't damage as that much of importance. Stuff dies in a spell or two under imperil anyway and no matter how much you minmax I don't see stuff dying without imperil, what makes me panic is usually when a debuff is resisted hence why I understand the high demand for charged prefixed phase gear.

Well, if we speak about high pl than main source of wins is flee. I dont remember when last time monster killed me. Even as mage. And specially we can clearly see it after patch, because with better sustain monsters got huge win drop.

Yeah ever since getting spark I don't see how you can die outside of missclicks. Spark proc should really count as a win. I think most high level PL monster wins are from people grinding proficiencies and fleeing right before the last round.

I don't know how it is at the higher levels but I don't damage as that much of importance. Stuff dies in a spell or two under imperil anyway and no matter how much you minmax I don't see stuff dying without imperil, what makes me panic is usually when a debuff is resisted hence why I understand the high demand for charged prefixed phase gear.

Imperil might be removed next patch. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)

If you salvage a soul bound item, do you get any soul fragments back?

As far as I can tell, we are seeing more Leg cotton/phase with L+/P primary stats. And not so much for staffs, rapiers, etc. Is an L or sub-L EDB on a staff so trash? (I'm getting buyer's remorse)

Well, for something I was going to forge to 50+, and given that there now exist staffs with P+2 or more EDB, for instance, it's not great. And one of the biggest reasons I decided to gamble on it pre-patch was that it had M-L tier PABs and damage and EDB and proficiency, which was completely unheard of before 0.82, but is now so common for Legendary. (Except Power Slaughter)

It's not that what I have is bad, but that it's no longer anywhere close to optimal for something to forge/IW/use for a long time for someone at my level and income.

And then there's more elemental "rebalancing" on the horizon. So I'm going to try to avoid any significant purchases so I don't get screwed over again.

I think proficiency cotton is more useful when you spellspam through lower difficulties. Playing on PFUDOR means most of the time the monster you're casting on is going to be under Imperil in which case extra mitigation might not be as good as pure raw damage although the counter-resist can ibe handy.

I think it's better to play without Imperil no matter what, due to the sheer speed increase and ability to play without concentrating or really looking at monsters - even on PF. Playing with Imperil can be more turn-efficient, but playing without (and having a high prof_factor; some cotton instead of phase) is more time-efficient. Even if you have to drop to IWBTH or Nintendo due to damage taken, it's probably worth it.

I don't know how it is at the higher levels but I don't damage as that much of importance. Stuff dies in a spell or two under imperil anyway and no matter how much you minmax I don't see stuff dying without imperil, what makes me panic is usually when a debuff is resisted hence why I understand the high demand for charged prefixed phase gear.

No imperil is great for low difficulty. Even many high level mages often play just on Hell in GF.

If you salvage a soul bound item, do you get any soul fragments back?

No

Imperil might be removed next patch. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)

Hush you.

...really it's Spark of Life that will be removed.

Giant+Undead+Dragonkin+Arthropod is more than 44% and to get at least 1 that mob is very common.

Huh? I thought Undeads were very few in numbers. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

...really it's Spark of Life that will be removed.

Or may be the Monsters will be able to use Spark. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)

Hush you.

...really it's Spark of Life that will be removed.

Plz no. I'd give up both Silence and Weaken before I give up Spark (Well, I say that, but I haven't maxed the abilities of either. That opinion might change).

Or may be the Monsters will be able to use Spark. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)

It's wasted on them, since they can't heal save for a few exceptions.

What if monsters could cast imperil instead? I'm already horrified at the thought.
Or worse, silence. That would be a dozy.

This post has been edited by Crush85: Jul 12 2015, 08:16

What if monsters could cast imperil instead? I'm already horrified at the thought.

Melees would cry oceans of tears. For mages it would be business as usual.

Then tenboro removes spirit shield.

Huh? I thought Undeads were very few in numbers. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

Its quite easy to check with firefox, because it has search counter.
Mobs with 1200+pl: 275
Undead:16

Mobs with 1100+pl:453
Undead:37

Mobs with 1000+pl:1183
Undead:100+

Not so much in top (near 6%?), but many average pl.

Then tenboro removes spirit shield.

Trending towards naked style.

With no imperil, it's pretty much how I have been since the previous patch that required to level deprecating to 30% before using it. Been trying to raise it tough. No spark? Well, probably Heavy(since with the new patch we have more equipment) + 1H(that I am leveling too).

please stop giving tenboro any weird ideas...

Its quite easy to check with firefox, because it has search counter.
Mobs with 1200+pl: 275
Undead:16

Mobs with 1100+pl:453
Undead:37

Mobs with 1000+pl:1183
Undead:100+

Not so much in top (near 6%?), but many average pl.

Besides, there is a Lv.500 player who loves Undead so much that 35 out of his 192 monsters are Undead.