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I will contuine with DW until i find a good shield.
It's not worth buying anything with credits from other players until I reach a high level right? since credits arent that easy to farm at the beginning... arenas give less and less 1000 isnt a lot for so many rounds

It depends. If I were starting from level 0 and had all the knowledge of the game I have currently, then once I had 50+ soul fragments, I would probably buy the most expensive and long-term piece of equipment I could find - probably a prefixed Rapier of Slaughter for 200k+ (the best choice for 1h, which is currently the most efficient melee playstyle for all levels above 150ish, and also OK for DW mainhand), and soulfuse it, so I would never have to think about upgrading my weapon again, at least until I gain another 150+ levels, which would take ages.

But for equipment that would be used only temporarily - anything that wouldn't be soulfused - you're right, best not to spend many credits on it. You don't have to completely avoid spending, just don't spend a lot in comparison to your daily income. Eg. if you were getting 20k/day from arenas, spending 5k or 10k every so often on cheap unassigned Protection plate or leather to replace your worst piece wouldn't be a bad idea.

When does the Niten Ichiryuu fighting style get good/start to fall off. Would I just be better off just using two-handed?

Niten only becomes that usable at higher levels, probably level 300+, because you do not gain any proficiency while using it (and proficiency adds quite a lot to your character's power). So, at a low level, unless you're willing to switch out with DW and 2h very frequently to let proficiency get closer to your level so you can play Niten effectively, it's not worth it.

2-handed is definitely easier to play, and works fine on low levels.

After playing for a couple weeks, I ran into my first questions:

1. When's an equip worth IW/soulfusing/upgrading? Anything you plan to use for a long time? Or only pieces with nice quality-preffix-suffix? Recently got my first mag drop, and I'm gonna use since it's better than anything I have, but I'm not sure if I should invest more effort to improve it, or look for a better piece.

2. What's the more efficient way to get credits at low levels? Clearing all arenas every day? Grindfest? I already got every first clear bonus I could, and do as many as REs as possible, but training sucks every credit of my income.

3. At my level, do you recommend aiming for a nice equipment set, or something like the IA1 perk? If the former, how much could it cost? My current drop only shit equipment is: [Weapon] [Shield] [Helmet] [Body] [Hands] [Legs] [Feet]

4. For a 1H, is it better Hoverplay or Spellspam? Or are both equivalent?

Thanks in advance!

1. That mag is not worthy to soulbind (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)


2. Open alot of H@H + catgirl (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)
Just clear arenas at the highest difficulty you can survive (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
RoB first time credits bonus is nice (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Don't bothering with GF now (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Don't use alot of your credits for training , just training AL and some early lvl of scav , Lotd , quar and arch (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)


3. Just lvl up first than get some credits to buy good rapier (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
After that , find good power gears (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)


4. I never try hover , just use old lement mousemelee (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wub.gif)
Holy spellspam is good alternative to use (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

This post has been edited by nobody_xxx: Jul 11 2015, 01:42

1. When's an equip worth IW/soulfusing/upgrading? Anything you plan to use for a long time? Or only pieces with nice quality-preffix-suffix? Recently got my first mag drop, and I'm gonna use since it's better than anything I have, but I'm not sure if I should invest more effort to improve it, or look for a better piece.

2. What's the more efficient way to get credits at low levels? Clearing all arenas every day? Grindfest? I already got every first clear bonus I could, and do as many as REs as possible, but training sucks every credit of my income.

3. At my level, do you recommend aiming for a nice equipment set, or something like the IA1 perk? If the former, how much could it cost?

Soulfusing may be worth it when you have equipment that is at least pretty good, and that you can see yourself using for a very long time. It also depends on how many fragments you have. If you have a whole lot extra that you don't really see yourself using (like me) you're much more free to soulfuse on a whim if you wish, but if you have only around 50 or less, you have to think much harder before doing so. Your first soulfuse should probably be (good) weapon - definitely not that drop you posted.

Forging all your normal-tier gear to 5 is not a bad idea, as long as you see yourself continuing to use it for 30+ levels. Forging is pretty cheap for the first few levels, doesn't require any expensive special materials, provides the best benefits per upgrade, and you'll get 90% minus catalysts back when you salvage. Even if only Superior or Exquisite, I would forge to 5 if nothing better is likely to come along soon.

Item World is near essential on weapon for the sake of Void damage type at level 10. As soon as you get a halfway decent weapon worth 200k+ that you'll probably use for a while, IW to 10 ASAP (either yourself, or more likely, by getting someone else to do it). Item worlding armor and shields is significantly less important, especially since you're more likely to be replacing armor every so often, wasting your IW investment (unless you soulfuse). I'd wait until level 250+ to IW armor. (Juggernaut 4 or 5 > all)

Daily arenas as fast as possible on lowish difficulty is best way to get credits at low levels. Grindfest doesn't give enough credits, and you don't have crystal perks yet (or deep clearing power) for GF to work.

but training sucks every credit of my income.

You are likely training too much. Common mistake for lower-level players to train upgrades that will take 150+ levels to pay off.

If I were you I'd save up until I could get an OK 1h weapon (prefixed rapier of Slaughter, even if only Exquisite), IW to 10, soulfuse, forge to 5. Cost of around 100k-300k base, plus 1.5k per forge * to level 5 * 3 areas to upgrade = 22k, plus cost of IW to 10 ~= 280k. Then you can use that for a very long time and never worry about weapon slot again until you have many millions (and tbh you probably won't even play enough to get to that point). (By the way, wakizashi is not good for 1h's weapon. It has lowest weapon damage and the slashing effect is useless)

After that, IA1 and maybe IA2 as well, cost of 300k +? 600k. Hopefully you've found a decent shield by this point, but if you haven't, an unassigned one with OK block might cost 50k-150k.

Getting a good full set of armor you can use for a long time will be much more time-consuming. You'll eventually want Power Slaughter or Balance, or possibly Power Protection if you can't find either. You'll have to be balancing defense and offense up until level 300-something to successfully play PFUDOR, so probably don't try to purchase worthwhile armor for quite a while (just go with whatever you happen to find, or really cheap junk in shops).

Whoever was having trouble grinding staff proficiency on Trio and Tree earlier: you're right.

512 4 Yggdrasil hits you for 778 void damage.
511 5 Skuld hits you for 468 crushing damage.

1835 7 Skuld hits you for 2712 crushing damage.
1835 3 Yggdrasil hits you for 3322 void damage.

2099 5 Skuld hits you for 3087 crushing damage.
2099 3 Yggdrasil hits you for 4023 void damage.

2102 4 Yggdrasil hits you for 3987 void damage.

This was only on Nightmare. Won't work.

So I'll continue to do what I was doing before and only grind proficiency in Crude IWBTH IWs. It takes many hundreds of turns per round, which is fine.

This post has been edited by Superlatanium: Jul 11 2015, 03:18

Yes, the mob's damage increases as turns go now, so we can't easily use the last round of TT&T to get massive proficiency with infinite turns anymore (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
I also think that IWing a crude equip on IWBTH is the best spot to grind proficiency now.

1.
About staff proficiency:
Staff
+Spell Damage 0.2 / 0.4 / 0.5
+Spell Accuracy 0.01% / 0.02%
+Physical Damage 3

What are the prof factors to gain the extra 0.2/0.4/0.5 spell damage?
My staff proficiency is 422 while my level is 435 (prof factor is about 0.97), what's my spell damage bonus?

2.
How does the 0.2/0.4/0.5 bonus work with the following (presumably outdated) formula?
Spell Damage = max(1, (damage_range * spell_data * ((base_bonus) * (1 + elem_bonus) * (1 + hath_bonus)) * critmod * channel_mod) * defense_mit)
Is it simply Spell Damage*1.2/1.4/1.5?

This post has been edited by djackallstar: Jul 11 2015, 05:07

1.
About staff proficiency:
Staff
+Spell Damage 0.2 / 0.4 / 0.5
+Spell Accuracy 0.01% / 0.02%
+Physical Damage 3

What are the prof factors to gain the extra 0.2/0.4/0.5 spell damage?
My staff proficiency is 422 while my level is 435 (prof factor is about 0.97), what's my spell damage bonus?

2.
How does the 0.2/0.4/0.5 bonus work with the following (presumably outdated) formula?
Spell Damage = max(1, (damage_range * spell_data * ((base_bonus) * (1 + elem_bonus) * (1 + hath_bonus)) * critmod * channel_mod) * defense_mit)
Is it simply Spell Damage*1.2/1.4/1.5?

Too complicated. It's super easy, just straight multiplicative with the ability factor (0.2, 0.4, 0.5) then additive with base magic damage. 1900 base magic damage + (400.0 staff proficiency) * (0.5 staff spell damage ability) = 2100 base magic damage.

My staff proficiency is 422 while my level is 435 (prof factor is about 0.97), what's my spell damage bonus?

422 * .5 = 221 base magic damage added via ability

Whoever was having trouble grinding staff proficiency on Trio and Tree earlier: you're right.

So I'll continue to do what I was doing before and only grind proficiency in Crude IWBTH IWs. It takes many hundreds of turns per round, which is fine.

*slaps Superlatanium*

You are over 400. You should know that to train staff prof effectively you need to use Voidseeker's Blessing

*slaps Superlatanium*

You are over 400. You should know that to train staff prof effectively you need to use Voidseeker's Blessing

Eh? I didn't think I even indicated whether I was using it or not.

But I'm not, and

When a player attacks an enemy (even if the monster evades), there is a chance that they will gain proficiency with their active fighting style.

Or is the wiki wrong yet again (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/faint.gif)

Eh? I didn't think I even indicated whether I was using it or not.

But I'm not, and

When a player attacks an enemy (even if the monster evades), there is a chance that they will gain proficiency with their active fighting style.

Or is the wiki wrong yet again (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/faint.gif)

already binding your wind mage set , super ?

already binding your wind mage set , super ?

Patch came out. 25m staff I bought (won) before with sub-L EDB turned into mostly trash, given high-end potential. Elemental's strength in lower difficulty GF due to low mana costs almost disappeared, now that tapping is unnecessary and potions are unlimited and still relatively cheap. I'm tempted, but knowing my luck, if I try to get more good stuff, it'll be "rebalanced" into the ground a couple weeks later, and if I soulfuse, I won't even be able to trade it away, even at a loss.

So I got depressed and went back to 1h, which I already have a decent set and forged shield for, even if it's more boring.

Maybe I should just log off completely for a few months until 0.83 comes out, so I can actually get stuff without worrying about purchases turning into very bad unlucky decisions in retrospect.

Patch came out. 25m staff I bought (won) before with sub-L EDB turned into mostly trash, given high-end potential. Elemental's strength in lower difficulty GF due to low mana costs almost disappeared, now that tapping is unnecessary and potions are unlimited and still relatively cheap. I'm tempted, but knowing my luck, if I try to get more good stuff, it'll be "rebalanced" into the ground a couple weeks later, and if I soulfuse, I won't even be able to trade it away, even at a loss.

So I got depressed and went back to 1h, which I already have a decent set and forged shield for, even if it's more boring.

Maybe I should just log off completely for a few months until 0.83 comes out, so I can actually get stuff without worrying about purchases turning into very bad unlucky decisions in retrospect.

like colman said , it's better have multiple build like him (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

like colman said , it's better have multiple build like him (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

For me, it's better having one really good set to farm back your investment. I never regret dumping a fortune into my holy set, because it already gained me back an even bigger fortune. I actually regret buying all those leg cold/wind parts that I never got to use. =.=

This post has been edited by holy_demon: Jul 11 2015, 06:57

For me, it's better having one really good set to farm back your investment. I never regret dumping a fortune into my holy set, because it already gained me back an even bigger fortune. I actually regret buying all those leg cold/wind parts that I never got to use. =.=

you can always sell it again , holy (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

For me, it's better having one really good set to farm back your investment. I never regret dumping a fortune into my holy set, because it already gained me back an even bigger fortune. I actually regret buying all those leg cold/wind parts that I never got to use. =.=

correct.
Better to take advantage of current bandwagon while it lasts. People can only use 1 set at a time.

you can always sell it again , holy (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

current system doesn't allow that.

This post has been edited by Dead-ed: Jul 11 2015, 07:20

does arena monsters get stronger as the round progresses?

i just tried PFUDOR T&T and the monsters seem to hit a lot harder at the later rounds.

does arena monsters get stronger as the round progresses?

i just tried PFUDOR T&T and the monsters seem to hit a lot harder at the later rounds.

no , still same for me (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

-snip-

Cool, thanks. Didn't expect it to be that easy to calculate.

Later rounds means more monsters. So it feels like it, however. the mob stays the same.