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How many people use wind now?

Too many. Everyone jump back to holy please. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)

Everyone jump back to 2H please. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)

That works for me too.

Difference between all 4 elements is quite minor.

Mostly because some mobs who is more common have some additional protection in some situations and sometimes it means additional turns. 4 conditions to see difference. Its not very common.
For better damage its still better to use holy/dark. Because difference here we can see even without turns counting after full run.

This post has been edited by nec1986: Jul 7 2015, 11:32

Q1
(Item Shop Bot) When there is only person bidding on an item where the highest bid price is X credits, how much will one earn when selling the item to the Item Shop?

Q2
(Item Shop Bot) When there are two or more people bidding on an item where the highest bid prices are X credits, how much will one earn when selling the item to the Item Shop?

Q3
Assumed that a player's level is X, what is the minimum power level of monsters s/he can encounter in battle?

Q4
Assumed that a player's level is X and can encounter monsters with power levels from Y to Z.
What's the chance that the player encounters a monster with power level Y?
What's the chance that the player encounters a monster with power level Z?

Q5
After a monster's PL reaches 1499, is there any significant benefit to increase its PL further more?

Q6
Does increasing a monster's PL also increase the chance that it appears in battle? If so, what's the cap?

Q7
What are all the factors that affect whether or not a monster is picked in battle? Or is simply RNG?

Q8
A monster's resist is increased by 10% in PFUDOR. How does the 10% increment work with the following formula?
Monster Resist = 1 - (1 - min(10 , (WIS/ 100) , (WIS - Level) / 75) / 100) * (1 - chaos_dissipation_rank * 0.5%)

Is it:
1 - (1 - min(10 , (WIS/ 100) , (WIS - Level) / 75) / 100) * (1 - chaos_dissipation_rank * 0.5%) * (1 - 10%)
or
1 - (1 - min(10 , (WIS/ 100) , (WIS - Level) / 75) / 100) * (1 - (chaos_dissipation_rank * 0.5% + 10%))
?

Q9
Assumed that a monster's resist is X% and a player's counter-resist is Y%, what's the chance that the monster resists the player's deprecating spell? (only one roll)

Is it:
max(0, (X-Y)%)
or
X% * (1-Y%)
?

Q10
As of 0.82, the number of crystals a monster drops is capped at 25 in Hellfest.
And Is it just me or Hellfest seems not to drop Legendary/Peerless equipment pieces any more?

Q11
Is it just me or Ninfest is harder compared to pre-0.82?


This post has been edited by djackallstar: Jul 7 2015, 15:49

Thanks for the advice previously. Now a few more questions.

From the formulas

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prof_factor = (effective_proficiency - monsterlevel) / monsterlevel

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Mitigation reduction = (prof_factor ^ 1.5) * 50

With effective_proficiency being between 0 and capped at 1. Since monsters are scaled to your level this pretty much means as long as you have double your level in effective proficiency you get a natural -50 anti-mitigation which is equivalent to a level 4 imperil passively.

I am assuming this is a flat -50 decrease rather than 50%? I can definitely see this stat being very useful for spellspam fests or for monsters that have near cap elemental mitigation.

This post has been edited by kyouri: Jul 7 2015, 14:18

1-2. As i know player get near 50% of max player price. No matter how many players.
3. No limits. I think its more like curve. Max pl is very common and all other has lower chance. But because we also have respawn cd than we deal with others. Once i tested which pl i face more. 1750+ was near 22 times and its only 9 mobs per 100 rounds. For example 1000-1100 range had 687 monsters and i deal with em only 215 times. Sure its much bigger amount compare to 22, but the reason is probably low amount of high pl monsters. Thats why cheap crystals is mostly bad for all players. High pl monster has higher damage/defense. Its harder to play and if average pl increases with time than all players get lower credits/time.
4-6. Well, when i checked 900-1k pl was the best choice. Reason is too high price for upgrade. Sure high pl has much better chance to fight (closer to max, lower competition). 2250pl was in 10 times better than 1k pl. 1400 was in 3-4 times better than 1k. But its much easier to get four 1k pl monsters than one with 1.4kpl.
7. Probably just rng.
8-9. I was thinking about it. Its not so hard to check, but dont have enough time. Maybe its even chance+10%. And its also 3 rolls. So our chance to not get resist is (1-resist)^3. 1 rolls is 50% reduction, 2 rolls is 75% reduction and all 3 is 90%. But its very-very rare. Even 2 rolls isnt very common, because resist chance is quite low.
10-11. Diff was changed. Hell now is x7? And nintendo x10? But clear is much easier with new pots.

This post has been edited by nec1986: Jul 7 2015, 14:40

I am assuming this is a flat -50 decrease rather than 50%? I can definitely see this stat being very useful for spellspam fests or for monsters that have near cap elemental mitigation.

Tenboro elaborated on the magic proficiency mechanics in the 0.76 patch notes:

- A counter-resist bonus of up to 50%, given as: 50 * prof_factor - in other words, this can potentially reduce the monster's resist stat by half (10% resist => 5% resist)

- A specific mitigation reduction of up to 25 points for the spell's element, given as: 25 * prof_factor - the effectiveness of this depends on the monster's natural specific mitigation, but it can potentitally double the spell's damage in the case of 75% to 50% specific mitigation.

The amount of specific mitigation was further changed in 0.77, so don't get too excited if the numbers don't match current wiki.

just wondering , if I want to change into some decent elemental mage for regular PFUDOR arenas , how much budget I need (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Aren't you "Poor"? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Well. Not rly much, because its imperil way. Just be ready to use many cures. Probably even 1-2m mage can clear it.

I'm confirming this. With 0-cooldown-Imperil, it is very much possible to clear all the Arena (including SG ones) in PFUDOR even with a crappy set. 4+1 armor combination (4 Phase + 1 Proficiency Cloth) works best in this case.

With mage i clear all non sg arenas in a bit higher than 1hour. With melee its not even close.

Same case here. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

just wondering, what's the best element for maging right now? both non-SG and SG arenas

It's just different. For SG, Wind is undoubtedly the best elemental. For regular rounds, however, Elec is faster.

Everyone jump back to holy please. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)

Donate me a full Radiant Heimdall Phase set and I'll jump back to Holy. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Q1
(Item Shop Bot) When there is only person bidding on an item where the highest bid price is X credits, how much will one earn when selling the item to the Item Shop?

50% of the displayed price.

Q2
(Item Shop Bot) When there are two or more people bidding on an item where the highest bid prices are X credits, how much will one earn when selling the item to the Item Shop?

50% of the displayed price.

Q3
Assumed that a player's level is X, what is the minimum power level of monsters s/he can encounter in battle?

From Lv.200 onwards, a player can encounter even Max-PL monsters. Dunno about the <Lv.200 scenario.

Q4
Assumed that a player's level is X and can encounter monsters with power levels from Y to Z.
What's the chance that the player encounters a monster with power level Y?
What's the chance that the player encounters a monster with power level Z?

Only affected by Difficulty.
If the player plays in Normal, he/she will usually face monsters with power level of Y (or near it).
If the player plays in PFUDOR, he/she will usually face monsters with power level of Z (or near it).

Q5
After a monster's PL reaches 1499, is there any significant benefit to increase its PL further more?

Jenga said that there's not much profit in further increasing the PL after 1499. Ask/PM him for more details.

Q6
Does increasing a monster's PL also increase the chance that it appears in battle? If so, what's the cap?

Dunno.

Q7
What are all the factors that affect whether or not a monster is picked in battle? Or is simply RNG?

Ask Tenboro. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

Q8
A monster's resist is increased by 10% in PFUDOR. How does the 10% increment work with the following formula?
Monster Resist = 1 - (1 - min(10 , (WIS/ 100) , (WIS - Level) / 75) / 100) * (1 - chaos_dissipation_rank * 0.5%)

Is it:
1 - (1 - min(10 , (WIS/ 100) , (WIS - Level) / 75) / 100) * (1 - chaos_dissipation_rank * 0.5%) * (1 - 10%)
or
1 - (1 - min(10 , (WIS/ 100) , (WIS - Level) / 75) / 100) * (1 - (chaos_dissipation_rank * 0.5% + 10%))
?

This I'd like to know myself too.

Q9
Assumed that a monster's resist is X% and a player's counter-resist is Y%, what's the chance that the monster resists the player's spell?

Is it:
max(0, (X-Y)%)
or
X% * (1-Y%)
?

It's "Counter" resist, not "Anti" resist.

Spell used > Monster's resist is rolled > The resist roll is successful > The counter-resist roll kicks in.
Spell used > Monster's resist is rolled > The resist roll is unsuccessful > The counter-resist roll didn't happen at all.

Q10
As of 0.82, the number of crystals a monster drops is capped at 25 in Hellfest.
And Is it just me or Hellfest seems not to drop Legendary/Peerless equipment pieces any more?

Not just you. Legendary grade equipments now only drop in Nintendo+ difficulties. Peerless can still drop even in Normal difficulty.

Q11
Is it just me or Ninfest is harder compared to pre-0.82?

Yes. New Nintendo now has 1.9x difficulty, a middle of the old Nintendo (1.8x difficulty) and BT (2x difficulty).

Thanks for the advice previously. Now a few more questions.

From the formulas

CODE

prof_factor = (effective_proficiency - monsterlevel) / monsterlevel

CODE

Mitigation reduction = (prof_factor ^ 1.5) * 50

With effective_proficiency being between 0 and capped at 1. Since monsters are scaled to your level this pretty much means as long as you have double your level in effective proficiency you get a natural -50 anti-mitigation which is equivalent to a level 4 imperil passively.

I am assuming this is a flat -50 decrease rather than 50%? I can definitely see this stat being very useful for spellspam fests or for monsters that have near cap elemental mitigation.

Only in theory. There is a hidden mechanism, due to which we do not get the max -50% reduction bonus. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

This post has been edited by tetron: Jul 7 2015, 16:22

Only in theory. There is a hidden mechanism, due to which we do not get the max -50% reduction bonus. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Please elaborate.

Aren't you "Poor"? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

(IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)

today my stamina reach below 15 , too poor to buy ED (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)

Please elaborate.

Last year we had a thorough investigation discussion on that matter, and it turned out that the reduction Bonus was around 20% at max even with 2x Prof factor. And I don't believe that Tenboro is kind enough to have changed it to 50%. If anyone can prove that its now 50%, I'll shout "Excelsior"!

Well it certainly sounds too good to be true. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)

Last year we had a thorough investigation discussion on that matter, and it turned out that the reduction Bonus was around 20% at max even with 2x Prof factor. And I don't believe that Tenboro is kind enough to have changed it to 50%. If anyone can prove that its now 50%, I'll shout "Excelsior"!

Figuring out the number within a couple of percentage points should be very easy, if someone is willing to spend a couple of blood tokens on fighting Konata twice. Use no phase, use max proficiency gear once, and no proficiency gear the other time. Check total magic damage each time to account for the effects of slightly different intel/wis. Figure out average damage done for crits and non-crits each time and we have an answer.

Do you have a link to the prior discussion?

tetron, you don't have to reply to everybody. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

it's the second time in a row that i get killed in ~70th round of a leg IW, even with more of half of my health available and all buffs active. did someone saw this as well or was it only a lack of attention?

[edit]: on a side note, FSM does drop mags. with 2 PABs, but still mags:

354 8 Arena Clear Bonus! [Magnificent Shielding Plate Sabatons of Protection]

This post has been edited by Scremaz: Jul 7 2015, 21:14

Few times also with my full damage set. After that i did iw only with spark.

tetron, you don't have to reply to everybody. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

It is true. Especially if replies are "Dunno." "Ask Tenboro." "This I'd like to know myself too." "Donate me a full Radiant" etc. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) There are other threads that exist for spam.

it's the second time in a row that i get killed in ~70th round of a leg IW, even with more of half of my health available and all buffs active. did someone saw this as well or was it only a lack of attention?

Happened to me frequently when trying to PFUDOR 80+ round IWs, until I learned to stop being stingy and use my Spirit Potions. Otherwise, two SP attacks absorbed + Spark might require more spirit than in pool, and I die. In PF-fest and PF-IW, any time I see <55% spirit in pool, I worry.

Happened to me frequently when trying to PFUDOR 80+ round IWs, until I learned to stop being stingy and use my Spirit Potions. Otherwise, two SP attacks absorbed + Spark might require more spirit than in pool, and I die. In PF-fest and PF-IW, any time I see <55% spirit in pool, I worry.

well, it's not like i don't use them, tbh (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)