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post Jun 26 2015, 19:41
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QUOTE(nobody_xxx @ Jun 26 2015, 20:00) *

how much usually credits need to pay for get 5but/4fat potency with IW service ?


Not sure, but probably higher than few millions.
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post Jun 26 2015, 19:52
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How much is cheap ethereal demonic club and rapier with at least 20% edb and near max proc chance?
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post Jun 26 2015, 19:55
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QUOTE(nec1986 @ Jun 27 2015, 00:41) *

Not sure, but probably higher than few millions.

few millions (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif)

I'm poor (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)


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How much is cheap ethereal demonic club and rapier with at least 20% edb and near max proc chance?

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post Jun 26 2015, 19:58
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QUOTE(qw3rty67 @ Jun 27 2015, 00:52) *

How much is cheap ethereal demonic club and rapier with at least 20% edb and near max proc chance?

^ethereal demonic club, did patch 0.83 already out and allow two prefixes now (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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post Jun 26 2015, 20:09
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You can't get ethereal elemental weapons?
Why, Tenboro (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)

What happens if you IW an elemental weapon to 10? Can you still use an infusion to get three strikes?
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post Jun 26 2015, 20:20
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QUOTE(kawaiikun @ Jun 26 2015, 17:20) *
So hi guys how is everything going since last udpdate?
Would somebody that used to play at difficulties "Hell" and "PFUDOR" answering "Normal" to that question be seen as making a subtle sarcasm? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
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post Jun 26 2015, 20:31
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QUOTE(nobody_xxx @ Jun 26 2015, 20:55) *

few millions (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif)


Because its quite hard. Actually i was wrong. There are 2 ways to get 5+4.
1. Start with 2.
2. Start with 1+1.

Chance to start with it is 33%. Its ~100k. So each our attempt to get 5+4 start with that price. What chance to upgrade 1+1 to 5+4? Well... near 0,75^8=10%. But its random 5, so for specific 5 we should split it to 2 part? So we have to try 20 times with 1+1 for getting final result. Im not sure about price of each try, but probably average its near half of ordinary full iw with some amnesia price. Its already approximately ~6.5m

Actually it can be not even close to it, because for correct number we should count:
1. Both ways with chance to upgrade to 5+4 (2 and 1+1).
2. Price of each try with reset.

But its example to show how hard it is and why it cost so much.
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post Jun 26 2015, 20:47
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Seriously???? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)


Yep
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post Jun 26 2015, 20:55
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QUOTE(nobody_xxx @ Jun 26 2015, 19:00) *

how much usually credits need to pay for get 5but/4fat potency with IW service ?

if i were you, i'd go for 5fat/4but. ADB can still be forged, while crit damage not. but only my thoughts...

QUOTE(tetron @ Jun 26 2015, 19:12) *

You are out of your mind. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

beware of yourself, you already did such 3rd-person at least twice, and those are only the times i saw it myself. one day you will thank me (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif)

QUOTE(qw3rty67 @ Jun 26 2015, 19:52) *

How much is cheap ethereal demonic club and rapier with at least 20% edb and near max proc chance?

letting apart that prefixes thing, what's the point in having high EDB for melee? do you really want to go maging with melee build? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

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What happens if you IW an elemental weapon to 10? Can you still use an infusion to get three strikes?

you can have up to three *total* hits, whichever way you gain them. so, for an IW10 whatever-prefixed weapon would be void, another one the elemental (either by IW or prefix) and the third can be infused.
without prefix you can still reach void, but you can also infuse two strikes.
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post Jun 26 2015, 21:05
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Jun 26 2015, 14:55) *
what's the point in having high EDB for melee

See:
QUOTE(qw3rty67 @ Jun 25 2015, 23:46) *
Dual wield + magic. Does it work on pfudor?
QUOTE(Colman @ Jun 26 2015, 00:00) *
No, even in arena.
Pure DW and pure mage both work. Hybrid do not work.
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What's the highest it works on?


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you can have up to three *total* hits, whichever way you gain them. so, for an IW10 whatever-prefixed weapon would be void, another one the elemental (either by IW or prefix) and the third can be infused.
without prefix you can still reach void, but you can also infuse two strikes.

I was under the impression that non-ethereal weapons could only get two, but I don't remember where I read it.

I'm down for this as long as it works on at least hell, because there is nothing else to do in this game that I know of, and I just thought of this when I made the post. The logic is sound, honest! Hopefully t3 unlocks at 200 prof.
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post Jun 26 2015, 21:53
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which shield should i use?

Magnificent Ruby Force Shield of Protection
Legendary Mithril Kite Shield of Stoneskin
Legendary Reinforced Kite Shield of Warding


and also... what potency is recommended for 1H rapier?
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post Jun 26 2015, 22:03
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QUOTE(kawaiikun @ Jun 26 2015, 11:20) *
So hi guys how is everything going since last udpdate?
QUOTE(holy_demon @ Jun 24 2015, 09:44) *
holy/dark is actually buffed in this patch, it's just not as buffed as elem or 1H
QUOTE(jenga201 @ Jun 24 2015, 09:47) *
Basically everything was buffed this patch. All ranges were increased. 'Unlimited' mana potions.

Most of the people that are complaining about the patch either failed to adapt to the changes or whine because they are never satisfied with anything. The only people that were truly negatively impacted by this patch were beginners (under level 200) and veterans (over level 450) due to the equipment level changes. Having said that, this impact was completely intentional:

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A note on the changes to equipment: we're moving away from the system where everyone can equip everything. The main reason is that allowing this had a lot of unintended consequences that all but eliminated any kind of natural gear progression.
The system will now enforce stratification to close off the ability for high-level players to dump gear on low-level players that are, relatively, much higher quality than they could hope to obtain themselves.
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post Jun 26 2015, 22:32
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QUOTE(Larequirem @ Jun 26 2015, 23:28) *

^ethereal demonic club, did patch 0.83 already out and allow two prefixes now (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

If by any chance that happens, then I'd say that someone has succeed in kidnapping Tenboro. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)

QUOTE(TygerTyger @ Jun 27 2015, 00:17) *

Yep

Even with the "Double Slot" feature of Gold Star? Meaning, you have only unlocked 9 slots? Good grief! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif)

QUOTE(Scremaz @ Jun 27 2015, 00:25) *

beware of yourself, you already did such 3rd-person at least twice, and those are only the times i saw it myself.

You are out of your mind. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) [2]

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post Jun 26 2015, 23:07
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QUOTE(hentai_fusion @ Jun 26 2015, 15:53) *

You should use the shield that gives the highest block chance. If you are willing to spend the Defense Matrix Modulators to upgrade your Force Shield then you should use that. If you are unwilling to spend DMMs then you should use the second Kite Shield.

The potency priority for 1H rapier is Fatality > Butcher > Overpower > Swift Strike.
Fatality: The Attack Crit Damage is applied to your overall physical attack damage, not just the weapon damage.
Butcher: The Bonus Weapon Damage only applies to the weapon damage.
Overpower: Overwhelming Strikes isn't active 100% of the time which means you will be parried some of the time. However, this happens so infrequently that you should not worry about it.
Swift Strike: The effect of Burden means that most of your Attack Speed will be lost. There is also an argument that Attack Speed decreases damage output for 1H because as your attack speed increases, you receive fewer monster attacks in-between your attacks which results in fewer Counter-Attacks.
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post Jun 26 2015, 23:11
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QUOTE(nec1986 @ Jun 26 2015, 20:31) *

Because its quite hard. Actually i was wrong. There are 2 ways to get 5+4.
1. Start with 2.
2. Start with 1+1.

Chance to start with it is 33%. Its ~100k. So each our attempt to get 5+4 start with that price. What chance to upgrade 1+1 to 5+4? Well... near 0,75^8=10%. But its random 5, so for specific 5 we should split it to 2 part? So we have to try 20 times with 1+1 for getting final result. Im not sure about price of each try, but probably average its near half of ordinary full iw with some amnesia price. Its already approximately ~6.5m

Actually it can be not even close to it, because for correct number we should count:
1. Both ways with chance to upgrade to 5+4 (2 and 1+1).
2. Price of each try with reset.

But its example to show how hard it is and why it cost so much.


Just finished IW My Rapier...it took me 3 weeks and 80 shards...read from others who were "lucky" and needed only 20 shards and other "unlucky" people who needed 400 shards.
I think 6,5m is a bit too cheap...8,5m is more likely and only for lv.9, if you want a specific elemental strike at lv.10, like "dark strike" then you are easily above the 10m~ mark
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post Jun 26 2015, 23:26
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QUOTE(qw3rty67 @ Jun 26 2015, 21:05) *

I was under the impression that non-ethereal weapons could only get two, but I don't remember where I read it.

slight correction: non-prefixed weapons can be infused for two strikes, but still voidseeker's blessing can be applied to change damage type to void - if there's the need to do so.

QUOTE(qw3rty67 @ Jun 26 2015, 21:05) *

Hopefully t3 unlocks at 200 prof.

this time i'm sure of it. at least for dark (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

on a side note, freeing 'better disintegrate', 'better ragnarok', 'ripened soul' and 'spirit theft' abilities gave me back something like 40 APs or so. now, what to do with them? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

QUOTE(hentai_fusion @ Jun 26 2015, 21:53) *

the reinforced one, without a doubt. good block chance, nice PABs, nice prefix and no need for matrixes to upgrade it

QUOTE(hentai_fusion @ Jun 26 2015, 21:53) *

and also... what potency is recommended for 1H rapier?

butcher and fatality for 1H power. 1H shade *may* see useful swift strike as well
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post Jun 26 2015, 23:31
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You have blind maxed, right?
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post Jun 26 2015, 23:49
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QUOTE(qw3rty67 @ Jun 26 2015, 23:31) *

You have blind maxed, right?

nope. should i? only maxed deprecative i have is better silence
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post Jun 26 2015, 23:53
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Everyone says it's worthless, but I think it's the best spell in the game. It's expensive to cast, but none of the other debuffs matter when they can't hit you, and you save on healing. -30 accuracy is NOTHING to scoff at.
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post Jun 26 2015, 23:54
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QUOTE(qw3rty67 @ Jun 26 2015, 23:53) *

Everyone says it's worthless, but I think it's the best spell in the game. It's expensive to cast, but none of the other debuffs matter when they can't hit you, and you save on healing. -30 accuracy is NOTHING to scoff at.

hmmm. even for 1H?

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