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post Jun 23 2015, 23:49
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Why not? Smax prof at his lvl should be more than 20.
He could take off only gear without weapon and its more than enough for reduction under t2 spell.

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It will all change in the next patch, assuming they actually get nerfed instead of just removing the usefulness of imperil. That top mages don't even use.
I thought it was coming sooner, but it looks like it's still going to be on the six month cycle.

Im not sure what exactly gonna be. But probably its gonna be some type of nerf to mages. And it has to be very strong nerf for becoming mage useless, because atm mage is 2-3x times better in credits/time.

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post Jun 23 2015, 23:51
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QUOTE(nec1986 @ Jun 23 2015, 23:49) *

Why not? Smax prof at his lvl should be more than 20.
He could take off only gear without weapon and its more than enough for reduction under t2 spell.

oh, nevermind, i misread. yeah, yeah, it sounds possible...
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post Jun 24 2015, 00:08
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QUOTE(nec1986 @ Jun 23 2015, 17:49) *
it has to be very strong nerf

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post Jun 24 2015, 00:12
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it's unlikely that at low levels you will earn something worth soulbinding - we're speaking about ~1M funds needed, so at your level you may want to think about it. what are we speaking about?



exquisite ethereal wakizashi of slaughter
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=f0dde3eb3d

I was planning on going niten soon... or would it be better to just dw with this and any other good main hand weapon ?
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post Jun 24 2015, 00:14
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QUOTE(ravenxmasters @ Jun 24 2015, 00:12) *

exquisite ethereal wakizashi of slaughter
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=f0dde3eb3d

I was planning on going niten soon... or would it be better to just dw with this and any other good main hand weapon ?

waki of slaughter isn't good neither for DW nor for niten. DW would be better with waki of nimble (as offhand) and niten... well, provided it's even viable i'd suggest you either nimble or swiftness
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post Jun 24 2015, 00:28
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Jun 23 2015, 18:14) *

waki of slaughter isn't good neither for DW nor for niten. DW would be better with waki of nimble (as offhand) and niten... well, provided it's even viable i'd suggest you either nimble or swiftness


I have a decent amount of shade equip on and over lvl in agi so i figured i could go for the higher damage weapon instead of a speed weapon. it's been working quite well so far XD
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post Jun 24 2015, 01:04
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Jun 23 2015, 21:43) *

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i mean, i wondered myself whether crushing damage was actually useful or not, but it's the first time i see a mage using heartseeker rather than arcane focus
4 turns is possible, but you won't reach 35% chance without replacing your staff. sorry about that.
ah. oh. ok, then.


I was talking about that stat:
[puu.sh] Coalesced Mana on spell hit

And this stat raises quite quickly, as I hit monster fiercely with my staff and raise my staff prof. As far as I understood from the wiki, it caps at 35%. I'm already at 19% instead of 18% for today. ^^

The Ether Tap stat of my staff is pretty fine for an Exq:
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=c1e83058a8

Though I will end up lacking a bit of power if I keep using it for many levels.

PS:
Even at level 160 and proficiency of 130, I still don't have access to Tier 2 Forbidden spells (Disintegrate). The info given on the wiki regarding the access to Tier 2 spells is inaccurate. I guess I'll keep everyone informed about when it gets available?
And I don't have Arcane Focus available either.
And nope, I'm not planning on raising Intelligence or Wisdom any further, as I want my two other equipment sets to remain combat effective. I'll soon switch to 1H+shield anyway, as soon as I hit the staff prof cap.

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post Jun 24 2015, 02:43
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So at my current lvl i am running RE and low areana at Nintendo and mid to high arena at normal or hard grindfest usually at hard. does this sound right or should i adjust difficulties and where ?

Thanks for any advice !
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post Jun 24 2015, 02:46
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QUOTE(ravenxmasters @ Jun 23 2015, 15:28) *

I have a decent amount of shade equip on and over lvl in agi so i figured i could go for the higher damage weapon instead of a speed weapon. it's been working quite well so far XD

you're aware that the damage get halved right?
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post Jun 24 2015, 02:53
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QUOTE(Dead-ed @ Jun 23 2015, 20:46) *

you're aware that the damage get halved right?


for niten only not dw right ? and i might still use that waki but with another good mh weapon like a rapier or such.
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post Jun 24 2015, 03:08
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I'm a completely melee 2-Handed click-things-until-dead player, and I got to level 140ish in a couple weeks by only doing random events since I pretty much level up once/twice from each of them every time. (Playing on Hell)

What I want to ask is, if my only interest is getting levels to bloat mod power, can I continue like this forever? Can I just get my free random encounter exp every half an hour and trudge my way to level 350, or is that not how it works?

Because as far as I got the gameplay is mostly grinding arenas and hope for a good equip drop, and even then, the drop only brings you to have to find someone willing to trade for it/ buy it.
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post Jun 24 2015, 05:25
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QUOTE(Striborg @ Jun 23 2015, 18:08) *

I'm a completely melee 2-Handed click-things-until-dead player, and I got to level 140ish in a couple weeks by only doing random events since I pretty much level up once/twice from each of them every time. (Playing on Hell)

What I want to ask is, if my only interest is getting levels to bloat mod power, can I continue like this forever? Can I just get my free random encounter exp every half an hour and trudge my way to level 350, or is that not how it works?

Because as far as I got the gameplay is mostly grinding arenas and hope for a good equip drop, and even then, the drop only brings you to have to find someone willing to trade for it/ buy it.


Doing REs alone will get you to lvl 350, but the higher level you are, the more REs it will take to level up. It will slow significantly past lvl 200.
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post Jun 24 2015, 05:35
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QUOTE(Dammon @ Jun 24 2015, 05:25) *

Doing REs alone will get you to lvl 350, but the higher level you are, the more REs it will take to level up. It will slow significantly past lvl 200.


How does the Grindfest/Arena compare to REs?
Like, how much Grind would I have to do to say I've earned an RE worth of Exp.
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post Jun 24 2015, 05:57
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QUOTE(Striborg @ Jun 23 2015, 20:35) *

How does the Grindfest/Arena compare to REs?
Like, how much Grind would I have to do to say I've earned an RE worth of Exp.


REs have a 5x exp bonus, so it wouldn't take many rounds of arena/grindfest to earn an equivalent amount assuming you played both at the same difficulty.
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post Jun 24 2015, 06:07
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QUOTE(nec1986 @ Jun 24 2015, 03:57) *

I still dont get how mages clear pf without scrolls/weaken. Is it even possibly to do just ordinary imperil-attacks?

For PF arena, it is far too easy.......
For PF GF, it is still very hard for me. I think it will be easier if I switch from holy to electricity.

I can estimate people who have better equipment than me can easily reach PF GF round 500.
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post Jun 24 2015, 08:05
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from holy to electricity.

Never thought I'd hear that one. I'm only using elec because it's the cheapest and most complete of my backups, and I'd still rather have post-patch upgrades of my other stuff.
Does the extra 50% damage and lower mit not make up for the mana cost and cast speed without a higher gear baseline than elemental?
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post Jun 24 2015, 08:14
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Never thought I'd hear that one. I'm only using elec because it's the cheapest and most complete of my backups, and I'd still rather have post-patch upgrades of my other stuff.
Does the extra 50% damage and lower mit not make up for the mana cost and cast speed without a higher gear baseline than elemental?

The long cast time of holy make my cure cannot catch up the incoming damage.
MP cost is not that important now.

BTW, holy have similar damage output as elemental spells. The slightly lower mitigation do not really that useful.
I haven't switched to elemental is mainly because I have no resource to forge my other sets. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/anime_cry.gif)

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post Jun 24 2015, 08:21
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QUOTE(decondelite @ Jun 24 2015, 01:04) *

Even at level 160 and proficiency of 130, I still don't have access to Tier 2 Forbidden spells (Disintegrate). The info given on the wiki regarding the access to Tier 2 spells is inaccurate. I guess I'll keep everyone informed about when it gets available?

this time i'm sure, disintegrate unlocks exactly at 100 base (forbidden) prof. maybe it's time to report it?

QUOTE(ravenxmasters @ Jun 24 2015, 02:53) *

for niten only not dw right ? and i might still use that waki but with another good mh weapon like a rapier or such.

for DW at first, thus for niten as well.
fact is, offhand weapons get a -20% damage reduction (changed since this patch) and +50% parry boost, thus why not taking advantage of nimble suffix? in niten builds there isn't the parry boost, but nimble may still be a good choice

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I'm a completely melee 2-Handed click-things-until-dead player, and I got to level 140ish in a couple weeks by only doing random events since I pretty much level up once/twice from each of them every time. (Playing on Hell)

What I want to ask is, if my only interest is getting levels to bloat mod power, can I continue like this forever? Can I just get my free random encounter exp every half an hour and trudge my way to level 350, or is that not how it works?

Because as far as I got the gameplay is mostly grinding arenas and hope for a good equip drop, and even then, the drop only brings you to have to find someone willing to trade for it/ buy it.

using a mace at low difficulties is still viable, but speed-wise isn't very optimal. as things are actually, you'd better make your way until lv180~200, then switching to 1H
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post Jun 24 2015, 08:33
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QUOTE(Striborg @ Jun 24 2015, 01:08) *

I'm a completely melee 2-Handed click-things-until-dead player, and I got to level 140ish in a couple weeks by only doing random events since I pretty much level up once/twice from each of them every time. (Playing on Hell)

What I want to ask is, if my only interest is getting levels to bloat mod power, can I continue like this forever? Can I just get my free random encounter exp every half an hour and trudge my way to level 350, or is that not how it works?

Because as far as I got the gameplay is mostly grinding arenas and hope for a good equip drop, and even then, the drop only brings you to have to find someone willing to trade for it/ buy it.



As Dammon says, it slow as hell just doing RE after lvl 200.

I'm currently at 239 If my memory doesn't fail me its about 19mil+ per level now. I do IWBTH RE and get exp ranging from 700k+ to about 1.3mil+ (could be more but for some reason 10mob RE are getting rare for me and even if it appears some of the mobs PL are kinda lowered). Meaning it will take aat least 15 RE for 1 level of exp thats about 7 and half hour of waiting (which you can just go afk most of the time and check evey half hour).

EDIT starting to do PF RE and 10 mobs is about 1.7mil and 5 mob close to 800k exp. Also If having a bit of trouble with power set swap out not just any plate but use a shielding plate extra block made PF SO MUCH easier. Although I do NOT recommend doing PF RE with anything other than 1h shield style at least not at low level it always feels like I could get 1 shotted everytime I try.

Also thank you again to all the experts here on this thread who helped me achieve my goal of completing PF RE.

Doing arena at higher difficulty is faster but also slightly more annoying because you have to pay attention, from memory doing 100 round arena at hell gave about 2 levels of exp at lvl 200 (haven't been doing it recently, cause been lazy so don't know exact exp gains).

EDIT2: Just tried it again not even half a level of exp but don't really need to pay attention anymore, BTW mobs seems to get a lot easier as you level but leveling seems really slow now getting like 2 lvls a day max but I'm not really trying too hard so don't know.

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post Jun 24 2015, 08:49
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QUOTE(Colman @ Jun 24 2015, 02:14) *
The long cast time of holy make my cure cannot catch up the incoming damage.
MP cost is not that important now.

BTW, holy have similar damage output as elemental spells. The slightly lower mitigation do not really that useful.
I haven't switched to elemental is mainly because I have no resource to forge my other sets. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/anime_cry.gif)

So I looked at the wiki, and holy/dark is trash. Even amongst mages, there are pitfalls. What are you doing, Tenbrizzo?
So at max level, Elemental gets the same 50% bonus and four turn cooldown at the cost of more ap, but there's nothing else to spend it on so it doesn't matter. Imperil is -40 mit vs HD imperil's -25, so with the natural mit difference, they're also the same here. The extra 10% from holy's debuff in no way makes up for the downsides, and the cure nerf makes it even worse. Time to salvage all the holy gear that's mysteriously been dropping for me (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)

I feel conned. I need a new reason to play hv now since I ran out of esoteric stuff to use and holy seemed like a new goal to reach.
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