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Jun 18 2015, 13:17
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Flame Ryu
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For Niten what wakizashi should I prefer "of the nimble" or "of swiftness" or something else? (with shade armor)
also if I had power armor which would be best?
EDIT: Forgot to ask ,what Potencies are best for my katana and waki?
This post has been edited by Flame Ryu: Jun 18 2015, 13:41
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Jun 18 2015, 14:57
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tetron
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QUOTE(nec1986 @ Jun 18 2015, 11:13)  Also i dont have much potential to increase my phase, but i have huge in prof, because its still as i remember 3 or 4 cottons.
Just ditch that phase and go 5 Cotton. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif) QUOTE(holy_demon @ Jun 18 2015, 12:47)  Impossible without a prof staff, (i have a full forged 0.81 peerless prof pants, and my prof factor is 0.76)
He has Peerless Prof Staff. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) QUOTE(mozilla browser @ Jun 18 2015, 13:35)  Hmm. Did 0.82 relatively "nerf" destruction and buff non-destruction? Just like with slaughter vs non-slaughter?
There has been too many ninja adjustments in this patch. So I won't be surprised if something like that actually happened. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif)
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Jun 18 2015, 15:38
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nec1986
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Jun 18 2015, 16:34
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clarkiest
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QUOTE(nec1986 @ Jun 18 2015, 15:38)  I started to get suspicious that you only knew this thread in the whole e-hentai forum. And yes, it worth a lot. Not tremendously a lot (wow, double superlative!), but yeah it's a lot.
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Jun 18 2015, 16:41
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tetron
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QUOTE(clarkiest @ Jun 18 2015, 20:04)  I started to get suspicious that you only knew this thread in the whole e-hentai forum.
LMAO. What an observation! (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)
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Jun 18 2015, 16:43
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tetron
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Anyway, did any of you notice any drop change in Tokens today? Today I got only 4 Tokens from the entire Arena! (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)
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Jun 18 2015, 16:45
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Colman
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QUOTE(tetron @ Jun 18 2015, 22:43)  Anyway, did any of you notice any drop change in Tokens today? Today I got only 4 Tokens from the entire Arena! (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) I dun play arena recently, but still get ~20 a day. So its just you.
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Jun 18 2015, 16:48
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tetron
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QUOTE(Colman @ Jun 18 2015, 20:15)  I dun play arena recently, but still get ~20 a day. So its just you.
Then that means today was just awful bad luck for me. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) Wait! If you don't play, then how can you get tokens????? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) This post has been edited by tetron: Jun 18 2015, 16:48
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Jun 18 2015, 16:58
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Colman
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QUOTE(Colman @ Jun 18 2015, 22:45)  I dun play arena recently, but still get ~20 a day. So its just you. QUOTE(tetron @ Jun 18 2015, 22:48)  Then that means today was just awful bad luck for me. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) Wait! If you don't play, then how can you get tokens????? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) I play GF and RE. Can only get a few mag a day. No mood to keep playing now. Too hard to get upgrade. I am selling hath for auction.
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Jun 18 2015, 17:12
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holy_demon
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QUOTE(nec1986 @ Jun 18 2015, 19:52)  Holy/Dark is still good, but only in top-top range. Because at some point ppl cant rly get much better clearspeed with stats. It grows slow, gives small and overall effect is like nothing. But its possibly with base damage and specially from t1.
T1 elemental is 4,25 and T3 holy/dark is 4,5. Its already 6% difference and we dont even count native counter-resist and lower mitg.
Well, level 450 + IA5 + DD2 (aka what I have, since I'm probably the weakest holy mage to be doing well, the other people who do with holy/dark have all unlocked DD5) might be the prerequisite to play holy now xD Regarding your T3 theory, I still find that using T3 to kill 2 monsters far apart is faster, but for cases where T1 and T2 can reach all the alive monsters, saving T3 is indeed faster. The effect is rather significant on PFUDOR, more than it is in Hell. This post has been edited by holy_demon: Jun 18 2015, 17:13
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Jun 18 2015, 17:19
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(Flame Ryu @ Jun 18 2015, 13:17)  For Niten what wakizashi should I prefer "of the nimble" or "of swiftness" or something else? (with shade armor)
also if I had power armor which would be best?
EDIT: Forgot to ask ,what Potencies are best for my katana and waki?
not quite sure, but maybe nimble with shade. as for potencies, probably fatality and overpower on both weapons as first goals. butcher on katana and swift on waki as second goals. power with niten - well, is it even viable? but given your level, i'd say a full set of 0.82 protection/warding pieces QUOTE(tetron @ Jun 18 2015, 16:43)  Anyway, did any of you notice any drop change in Tokens today? Today I got only 4 Tokens from the entire Arena! (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) that would mean granted token drop is gone, isn't it?
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Jun 18 2015, 17:44
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tetron
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QUOTE(Colman @ Jun 18 2015, 20:28)  I play GF and RE. Can only get a few mag a day. No mood to keep playing now. Too hard to get upgrade. I am selling hath for auction.
So one full GF run nets you ~20 Tokens? Interesting. Which difficulty? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) QUOTE(Scremaz @ Jun 18 2015, 20:49)  that would mean granted token drop is gone, isn't it?
Those 4 Tokens today were from the last 4 Arena's Token Bonuses. Didn't get a single one from the rest. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif)
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Jun 18 2015, 18:12
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Colman
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QUOTE(tetron @ Jun 18 2015, 23:44)  So one full GF run nets you ~20 Tokens? Interesting. Which difficulty? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) Those 4 Tokens today were from the last 4 Arena's Token Bonuses. Didn't get a single one from the rest. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif) Did I said anything about how many GF I do a day? I normally do IWBTH GF. Because it is fast.
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Jun 18 2015, 18:21
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nec1986
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QUOTE(clarkiest @ Jun 18 2015, 17:34)  I started to get suspicious that you only knew this thread in the whole e-hentai forum.
Sorry. Im offtoping here very much. QUOTE(holy_demon @ Jun 18 2015, 18:12)  Well, level 450 + IA5 + DD2 might be the prerequisite to play holy now xD
You have quite good set. Specially prof part. Actually i did today slightly lower diff than ordinary and noticed that you mean. Many skills can oneshot mobs. I finished in something like 5600 turns, but very big part of that was non fighting moves. Many gems, many pots, many cures and some tapping. Actually my fighting moves was probably lower than 4/round. And its the point where there is no much difference between damage of skills. This post has been edited by nec1986: Jun 18 2015, 18:21
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Jun 18 2015, 19:29
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tetron
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QUOTE(Colman @ Jun 18 2015, 21:42)  Did I said anything about how many GF I do a day?
That was only my assumption. So, how many? QUOTE(Colman @ Jun 18 2015, 21:42)  I normally do IWBTH GF. Because it is fast.
Hmm. How much time IRL does it take for you to clear 1 of them?
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Jun 18 2015, 19:38
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hitokiri84
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QUOTE(mozilla browser @ Jun 18 2015, 04:46)  Has Holy become the new trash? How so? Damage dealt is the same as before, and cure bonus is till there if using an oak staff. I didn't say has become. I said becoming. It happens incrementally, not all at once, just like it did with many other things over the past 6 years. This time it was Holy EDB losing its Cure bonus. You can still use Oak, you say? Get real, no serious Holy player with a forged staff is going to switch to Oak, sacrificing tons of damage just to keep a strong Cure. Next it will be the monster mitigation balancing. Maybe Holy and Dark will get lucky and have their TI/T2/T3 spell cost reduced. Just don't count on them being as low as Elemental. They still have access to Ether/Spirit theft, even if no one uses them. Personally, I would be glad if Imperil was done away with at the same time this balancing takes place. Just remove Imperil and reduce all monster mitigations by equivalent amounts. It would really speed up play, not having to cast Imperil on PFUDOR all the time.
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Jun 18 2015, 20:24
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Colman
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QUOTE(tetron @ Jun 19 2015, 01:29)  That was only my assumption. So, how many? Hmm. How much time IRL does it take for you to clear 1 of them?
I normally flee at round ~300. Beyond that, it require too much healing. Around 50 minutes for 300 rounds.
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Jun 18 2015, 22:19
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tetron
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QUOTE(Colman @ Jun 18 2015, 23:54)  I normally flee at round ~300. Beyond that, it require too much healing. Around 50 minutes for 300 rounds.
Huh? How many times do you repeat like that? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)
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Jun 19 2015, 04:44
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mozilla browser
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QUOTE(nec1986 @ Jun 19 2015, 00:21)  You have quite good set. Specially prof part. Actually i did today slightly lower diff than ordinary and noticed that you mean. Many skills can oneshot mobs. I finished in something like 5600 turns, but very big part of that was non fighting moves. Many gems, many pots, many cures and some tapping. Actually my fighting moves was probably lower than 4/round. And its the point where there is no much difference between damage of skills.
Waitaminute, you lowered difficulty (to Hell?) and finished (Grindfest?) in 5600 turns (using your Surtr gear?) while playing (Imperil mage with 1.0 proficiency factor and 3-4 cottons?) style, at level 377? Damn, I only get to ~ round 650 in Hellfest in that time, with my dark gear. Maybe I need to tweak my style. QUOTE(hitokiri84 @ Jun 19 2015, 01:38)  I didn't say has become. I said becoming. It happens incrementally, not all at once, just like it did with many other things over the past 6 years. This time it was Holy EDB losing its Cure bonus. You can still use Oak, you say? Get real, no serious Holy player with a forged staff is going to switch to Oak, sacrificing tons of damage just to keep a strong Cure. Next it will be the monster mitigation balancing. Maybe Holy and Dark will get lucky and have their TI/T2/T3 spell cost reduced. Just don't count on them being as low as Elemental. They still have access to Ether/Spirit theft, even if no one uses them.
Roger. But, LHOH was one of the desired combinations for Holy staves.
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Jun 19 2015, 06:30
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tetron
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CODE 15 19 Arena Token Bonus! [Token of Blood] 15 18 Arena Clear Bonus! [Superior Estoc of the Vampire] 15 10 Matoi Tsunetsuki dropped [Token of Blood] 15 8 You are Victorious! Now THAT was unexpected! Yesterday I got absolutely zero Blood Tokens, and today in the middle of Arena, I've already gotten 7 of them! (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) This post has been edited by tetron: Jun 19 2015, 06:30
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