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I can reach clear nintendo whilst dying 10% of the time (usually do nintendo), is that good enough or do I need to go higher?

Yes, I think so. There's no point raising difficulty till you end up dying, which is costly.

I think rfeh managed to get a legendary drop while playing at nintendo, so you don't have to feel that Leg equipment is out of reach.

I can reach clear nintendo whilst dying 10% of the time (usually do nintendo), is that good enough or do I need to go higher?

What's repair cost for you?

I usually disregard the chance of dying and encourage newbies to do or die on RE. But, the latest patch introduce durability penalty upon dying. So, find out first how severe is your repair cost. If you can handle the cost, slam on RE at highest difficulty!

What's repair cost for you?

I usually disregard the chance of dying and encourage newbies to do or die on RE. But, the latest patch introduce durability penalty upon dying. So, find out first how severe is your repair cost. If you can handle the cost, slam on RE at highest difficulty!

just scrap level stuff, only my weapon/shield is >/= 100, so i think im currently fine with the repair costs, i guess ill try since i have these new skills

on another note, what's the main stat that makes shields worthy? block chance?

Yes, I think so. There's no point raising difficulty till you end up dying, which is costly.

I think rfeh managed to get a legendary drop while playing at nintendo, so you don't have to feel that Leg equipment is out of reach.

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on another note, what's the main stat that makes shields worthy? block chance?

Yes, block chance is by far the most important stat on shields. Before patch 0.82, the common recommendation was a force shield with 32.87 or higher base block chance (the maximum base block chance for exquisite force shields). Hover your mouse over an item and press "C" to get an equipment popup (you may need to allow popups in your browser). Hover you mouse over the block chance to see the base block chance. Patch 0.82 force shields have much higher block chances than pre-0.82 force shields, but they all come with an assigned level and it will be difficult if not impossible to find one at your level.

Yes, block chance is by far the most important stat on shields. Before patch 0.82, the common recommendation was a force shield with 32.87 or higher base block chance (the maximum base block chance for exquisite force shields). Hover your mouse over an item and press "C" to get an equipment popup (you may need to allow popups in your browser). Hover you mouse over the block chance to see the base block chance. Patch 0.82 force shields have much higher block chances than pre-0.82 force shields, but they all come with an assigned level and it will be difficult if not impossible to find one at your level.

so far ive been doing the first RoB on normal for trophies to exchange at the shrine.

i got both my exquisite rapier and this shield from it

http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=d213d1f1ee
boosted ~ 5% block from my average kite shield, yay

apparently difficulty doesnt change the rewards at the end of the actual arena/ring of blood? only the monster drops ?

so far ive been doing the first RoB on normal for trophies to exchange at the shrine.

i got both my exquisite rapier and this shield from it

http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=d213d1f1ee
boosted ~ 5% block from my average kite shield, yay

apparently difficulty doesnt change the rewards at the end of the actual arena/ring of blood? only the monster drops ?

Don't waste token on low level RoB, only FSM RoB noodly is actually worth anything and its more worth it selling noodly than shrine (IMHO, that and you will feel really depressed shrining this approx 50k for a piece of junk exqusite when you could buy a better equip for that same 50k)

Edit: Ofc do RoB first time credit bonus but afterward its probably better to save up 5 token at a time just for FSM

Second Edit: Yes I got my first and only legendary from nintendo RE, btw currently on IWBTH REs but drop somehow feels worse than nintendo (not possible I know but its just a feeling). Also @erpurp you can get equipment link by hovering over equipment and then pressing 'c' on keyboard (you may need allow the popup to show up) then you don't need to type out equipment stats Man I need to read carefully its already covered by CronoBoA

Yeah the drop ratios feel strange for me. I seem to get more Exquisite from nintendo and more Superiors in IWBTH

This post has been edited by rfEH: Jun 16 2015, 08:01

Don't waste token on low level RoB, only FSM RoB noodly is actually worth anything and its more worth it selling noodly than shrine (IMHO, that and you will feel really depressed shrining this approx 50k for a piece of junk exqusite when you could buy a better equip for that same 50k)

Edit: Ofc do RoB first time credit bonus but afterward its probably better to save up 5 token at a time just for FSM

Ok ill do that (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

so normal difficulty is the way to go for RoB?

Ok ill do that (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

so normal difficulty is the way to go for RoB?

you can even get peerless from normal RoB if you lucky enough (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

you can even get peerless from normal RoB if you lucky enough (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

It seem we still need to get upgrade from auction. With a higher price and binding cost. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
With the current credits sink, my income is very low, if not negative. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/anime_cry.gif)

you can even get peerless from normal RoB if you lucky enough (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

Not sure that is true anymore. I think more changes were introduced to the drop probability about 10 days into the patch which means no legendary or peerless can drop from nightmare and under.

But I think there might be an arena bonus(not sure) and you can possibly get legendary from that on normal according to wiki.

Well the trophy is guaranteed even at normal , you might want to play higher difficulty for better drops just like any other arena. But as 10B said

I'll tell you a secret. Since the patch, random encounters have made up 2.2% of all battles fought, 10.73% of all equipment dropped, and 46.72% of all legendaries dropped.

Get your REs in.

RE probably has better chance for anything to happen

Don't waste token on low level RoB, only FSM RoB noodly is actually worth anything and its more worth it selling noodly than shrine (IMHO, that and you will feel really depressed shrining this approx 50k for a piece of junk exqusite when you could buy a better equip for that same 50k)

Edit: Ofc do RoB first time credit bonus but afterward its probably better to save up 5 token at a time just for FSM

Second Edit: Yes I got my first and only legendary from nintendo RE, btw currently on IWBTH REs but drop somehow feels worse than nintendo (not possible I know but its just a feeling). Also @erpurp you can get equipment link by hovering over equipment and then pressing 'c' on keyboard (you may need allow the popup to show up) then you don't need to type out equipment stats Man I need to read carefully its already covered by CronoBoA

Yeah the drop ratios feel strange for me. I seem to get more Exquisite from nintendo and more Superiors in IWBTH

My probably wrong back of the envelope scribbling says that RE EQ-Drops is about 5.5x higher than normal arena/gf/whatever and Leg chance is about 42 times higher than other stuff, according to 10B data. Not that it would have helped me any (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Again this is just me talking out of my a**, but possibly Nin moves Mag drops so far up the table that Exq rate gets pushed up? As in IWBTH -> (20% Exq, 5% Mag); Nin -> (24% Exq, 1% Mag), again numbers just made up, but it kind of makes some sense (to me anyway (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif))

Ok ill do that (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

so normal difficulty is the way to go for RoB?

For the first clear, yes.
iirc the RoB challenges unlocked faster than i could gain ToB (Token of Blood) in the beginning. The first clear bonus is usually the sticking point here and other than FSM (Flying Spaghetti Monster) and TTT (Triple Trio and the Tree) nothing is really worth clearing.
Actually ... since it seems that the clear mechanism for Arena and RoB changed in 0.82 it's doubtful if clearing at high difficulty is actually needed anymore. (in 0.81 the equipment clear bonus scaled with difficulty but now it seems fixed as far as i can tell) But confirmation/thoughts from someone else that plays more than i do would be appreciated (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)

you can even get peerless from normal RoB if you lucky enough (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

Isn't peerless drop chance fixed anyway, regardless of difficulty?

Sorry stuffed up again posting reply to another thread

EDIT:
I think you are probably right about the ratio shifting simrock87. It seems to make sense

Well the good thing is that at least there are anecdotal evidence suggesting legendary drop chance are increased from IWBTH compared to Nintendo.

I think I will continue doing IWBTH RE and see how it goes.

This post has been edited by rfEH: Jun 16 2015, 08:52

It seem we still need to get upgrade from auction. With a higher price and binding cost. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
With the current credits sink, my income is very low, if not negative. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/anime_cry.gif)

we are poorer now (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)

Not sure that is true anymore. I think more changes were introduced to the drop probability about 10 days into the patch which means no legendary or peerless can drop from nightmare and under.

But I think there might be an arena bonus(not sure) and you can possibly get legendary from that on normal according to wiki.

Well the trophy is guaranteed even at normal , you might want to play higher difficulty for better drops just like any other arena. But as 10B said
RE probably has better chance for anything to happen

somebody get peerles power from normal FSM clear bonus in this patch (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

clear bonus not affected by that rules (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

This post has been edited by nobody_xxx: Jun 16 2015, 09:18

It seem we still need to get upgrade from auction. With a higher price and binding cost. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
With the current credits sink, my income is very low, if not negative. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/anime_cry.gif)

Just had a look over the last auctions and see what you mean ...
Even though there were some nice pieces, that even went for quite affordable prices, some pieces were just out for me due to too high level or would have added some 1.5mil to offset the 50 level difference in any direction.
Adding in the factor, that there are effectively no more hand-me-downs since everything used before is definitively going to be salvaged now since it sort of has to be soulbound now.

Income wise i'm at about 250k/day from Arena and RE right now, even with repairs and consumable cost (just salvaging 1H and 2H below exq right now >.<).

On the other hand ... whee upgrades
Legendary Cobalt Power Boots of Warding <-> Magnificent Mithril Power Boots of Warding
Magnificent Force Shield of Deflection <-> Magnificent Force Shield of Deflection (bad PAB but freaking 3% base block (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif))

Just had a look over the last auctions and see what you mean ...
Even though there were some nice pieces, that even went for quite affordable prices, some pieces were just out for me due to too high level or would have added some 1.5mil to offset the 50 level difference in any direction.
Adding in the factor, that there are effectively no more hand-me-downs since everything used before is definitively going to be salvaged now since it sort of has to be soulbound now.

Income wise i'm at about 250k/day from Arena and RE right now, even with repairs and consumable cost (just salvaging 1H and 2H below exq right now >.<).

On the other hand ... whee upgrades
Legendary Cobalt Power Boots of Warding <-> Magnificent Mithril Power Boots of Warding
Magnificent Force Shield of Deflection <-> Magnificent Force Shield of Deflection (bad PAB but freaking 3% base block (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif))

All of the potential upgrades within the past three weeks go over 5m for each. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/anime_cry.gif)
One of my target this week already reach 10m. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/faint.gif)
Something with missing PAB(s) is not an upgrade, except shield. Those 2 PABs Mag are even worst than my Exq.

For your shield, the upgrade is huge. However, I think it is not worth to forge something with miss PAB (it have END and AGI). Forge 5 times is the maximum.
For the armor, where is the upgrade?

This post has been edited by Colman: Jun 16 2015, 09:29

All of the potential upgrades within the past three weeks go over 5m for each. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/anime_cry.gif)
One of my target this week already reach 10m. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/faint.gif)
Something with missing PAB(s) is not an upgrade, except shield. Those 2 PABs Mag are even worst than my Exq.

For your shield, the upgrade is huge. However, I think it is not worth to forge something with miss PAB (it have END and AGI). Forge 5 times is the maximum.
For the armor, where is the upgrade?

So bad gear has advantages then (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Was gonna keep the old shield since missing out on the PAB would hurt too much i think and as you said, AGI is somewhat useless. Basically keeping the shield as a curiosity since i hadn't seen a force shield with agi before (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

The armor is about the same, slightly higher defense and adb on the mag, which about evens out the DEX loss against the leg. But mags cost less to repair than leg (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

Side Question: Has anyone seen an Exq Power with more than 2PAB's since the patch? I only seem to get those so far.

I don't think Exqisuite anything can drop more than 2 PAB after the patch according to changes in wiki.
Mag has (low) chance for all 3 PAB (or 4, 6 for them special light armor)
Leg and peerless is guaranteed 3 PAB (ditto as above)

But remember someone said its just really, really rare to get exquisite with all 3 PAB. (Not Confirmed)
I have serious doubts about it though.

So bad gear has advantages then (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Was gonna keep the old shield since missing out on the PAB would hurt too much i think and as you said, AGI is somewhat useless. Basically keeping the shield as a curiosity since i hadn't seen a force shield with agi before (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

The armor is about the same, slightly higher defense and adb on the mag, which about evens out the DEX loss against the leg. But mags cost less to repair than leg (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

Side Question: Has anyone seen an Exq Power with more than 2PAB's since the patch? I only seem to get those so far.

In 0.82,
Exq have 2 PABs max.
Mag have 2-3 PABs ( 3-4 for leather/shade). The chance should be around 50/50.
That is the reason why Exq is never an upgrade now.

In addition, shield will only get 3 PABs chosen from STR/DEX/AGI/END even for peerless. It your shield missing END......

This post has been edited by Colman: Jun 16 2015, 09:58

Its not big deal with new pot system. Specially for 1h. My 1h got in 4+ times more sustain. Actually my mage also near same.