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You wouldn't understand because you've only been registered for 8 months. They pay back more and more with higher difficulty, increased number of rounds played, and time.

Donators will always talk in support of "Donator only feature", while regular people will always talk in support of "feature for everyone". No matter where you go, it's always the same. It's human nature. You have maxed your training, so you'll definitely support that investing was good, especially since you're one of the oldest players right now. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Technically, You can drop a Peerless Radiant Phase and be set for life even without a single training. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)

Besides, if you play in high difficulty for a long time, you will be making profit regardless of training. It doesn't prove the fact that "Trainings pay off".

Sure, even a tiny bit of increase helps. Sure, the cost (as you say) has been reduced very much compared to the past. But that "reduced amount" is still a very big amount for many.

And don't complain about potions either if you don't have max Scavenger. I gain Mana Potions nonstop, even on PFUDOR SG arenas without using ether tap/theft or focus.

I just died laughing! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

Scavenger used to be 60M+, and people that trained then didn't get partial refunds when it was lowered. Same story with all other drop trainings. With greatly increased credit inflation and costs at a fraction of what they used to be, trainings now are a steal.

20m+ is "cheap". Yeah right. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)

tenboro is well aware of psychological aspect (?)

Very true. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

It should be 2.5% AFAIK.

Base drop chance is 10%
15% max PL bonus.
2.5% trainning bonus.

Additive.

Umm...One noob question: What's the "max PL bonus"? I can't remember what it is. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

Donators will always talk in support of "Donator only feature", while regular people will always talk in support of "feature for everyone". No matter where you go, it's always the same. It's human nature. You have maxed your training, so you'll definitely support that investing was good, especially since you're one of the oldest players right now. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

I always support feature for everyone. Because I am a hero of justice (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

I always support feature for everyone. Because I am a hero of justice (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Like this?

Scavenger has the slowest pay back speed. If player clears 8k mobs per hour (quite ordinary mage) than 1 lvl gives ~500 credits. 500k training is 1k hours. 25-->50 is 12-13k per hour and 16-17m cost. So its even ~1300 hours. Of course, active play at some point gonna pay back it. Maybe in few years.

But something like archaeologist isnt very bad. Probably in 4x times better than scavenger.

Scavenger adds value to other drop trainings, so its return on investment is much higher if you've unlocked other trainings.

I think it just sum.
For example i cleared 20 rounds arena (because all others is done and im lazy to do sg) and got:
8 draughts+pots
3 gears
9 times crystals
For 77 mobs 20 drops. Its not very accurate because low amount of samples, but drop chance is 25.9%. Pl bonus should be something like 12,5-13%, because sometimes i face even 800, but usually its near 1100. And other 13% is my ordinary drop+scavenger.

Maybe i ll collect a bit more samples.

thats means, higher level more chance to drop ?

Scavenger adds value to other drop trainings, so its return on investment is much higher if you've unlocked other trainings.

Understanding the value of Scavenger is the HV IQ test.

thats means, higher level more chance to drop ?

Almost not. There are no many 1250+ pl monsters, so its always mix even for high lvl. Of course if player has low lvl like 150, than probably his range a bit lower. I face always from 800 (its only 16%+ drop) to 2250 (and any 1250+ has 25%+), but generally its near 1100. I think if player doesnt deal with 1600+ than anyway it should be same common 1000-1200 range, so its quite similar. But its only guess.

Scavenger adds value to other drop trainings, so its return on investment is much higher if you've unlocked other trainings.

Its quite obvious, isnt? Scavenger gives us some additional %. Its constant ratio and if we dont count credits/stamina/repair than pay back is 200m credits of income...actually, maybe lower.
I wanna test drop % tomorrow. simrock87 makes me curios about 1% description in training.

This post has been edited by nec1986: Jun 15 2015, 15:11

Hello

May i ask is this worth IW?

EQ

every piece of equipment you intend to use is worth IW-ing... so long as you do not have to pay someone else to do it.

1h is very safe style now, so as you wish. For example i have no any armor iw, but can clear pffest. Actually maybe it isnt bad idea, because a bit higher hp/defense means less cures. But its long and im lazy to do it.

Question... with 2k haths what should I unlock?
Dæmon Duality vs Crystarium 1-3? Or any other suggestions?

Or probably it is much better used to unlock all of More Favorites and Paging Enlargement hath perks (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

This post has been edited by helno: Jun 15 2015, 19:28

get Suffusive Spirit

SpellSpam or HoverPlay? What are the recommended scripts for maximum kill speed?

SpellSpam or HoverPlay? What are the recommended scripts for maximum kill speed?

Highest clear speed > Move to Netherlands or its surrounding country
(I found that VPN to Luxembourg yield faster connection than to Netherlands itself)

Mage > Spellspam
(great time saver, you don't need to move your mouse to quick bar and mob list over and over again)

Mouse-shaker > Hoverplay
(hoverplay require hover event to proc, so you need to shake your mouse a little. If you're melee, keyboard num is still faster)

Hi all, since i just got my first exquisite piece of equipment and almost 50 soul fragments, should I soulfuse it?

exquisite rapier of the battlecaster
for lvl 100

17.5% Pen armour 4 turns

182 pierce dmg
17.8% acc
5.93% m acc
4.34 att crit chance
14.8% parry
12.35 mana conserv
burden 9.45

PAs- 18.29 dex and 11.34 ag

thanks (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Hi all, since i just got my first exquisite piece of equipment and almost 50 soul fragments, should I soulfuse it?

exquisite rapier of the battlecaster
for lvl 100

17.5% Pen armour 4 turns

182 pierce dmg
17.8% acc
5.93% m acc
4.34 att crit chance
14.8% parry
12.35 mana conserv
burden 9.45

PAs- 18.29 dex and 11.34 ag

thanks (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

NO. only soulfuse mag+

Ok, ill keep that in mind- thanks!

If you play as many random encounters as you can and at the highest difficulty you can manage, you should be able to find upgrades to that.

Didn't there used to be a price check thread? I hated running a shop, but with the free shop dead and abysmal bazaar prices, I don't want to chuck everything.

If you play as many random encounters as you can and at the highest difficulty you can manage, you should be able to find upgrades to that.

I can reach clear nintendo whilst dying 10% of the time (usually do nintendo), is that good enough or do I need to go higher?