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post Jun 11 2015, 03:37
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QUOTE(Dead-ed @ Jun 11 2015, 01:12) *
speed has nothing to do with defense because both regen & damage taken get stretched linearly, that's just illusion that this game is based on player's turns.
Yeah, that's why it's pretty unimportant. The only situation I can think of it would really help much in would be in late GF if you're Curing/Fullcuring a whole lot, and like them to come off of CD as quickly as possible. (Though if one's doing GF when they have to do that to survive, probably better to go down a difficulty or two)
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post Jun 11 2015, 04:12
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[www.starfleetplatoon.com] http://www.starfleetplatoon.com/~cmal/EquipCalc/

This thing's still valid right? Also, is it just me or does copy-pasting from showequip.php not work? Just trying to figure out what gear would make the least disappointing soulfuse...
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post Jun 11 2015, 04:44
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This thing's still valid right? Also, is it just me or does copy-pasting from showequip.php not work? Just trying to figure out what gear would make the least disappointing soulfuse...
I think HV Equipment Comparison is a lot easier to use, showing how far each (base) stat is from Smax or Emax etc. We don't know the new max values in 0.82, but for just comparing two equips, it's much handier than having to mess with level scaling.

If you wish to save your fragments, that might be a good choice - better than feeling like you have to soulfuse something that might not be all that good.
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post Jun 11 2015, 09:39
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Just curious , anybody know how much damage increase from that expensive 25k hath perk to OFC (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

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post Jun 11 2015, 09:51
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post Jun 11 2015, 10:02
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Ok. Ive finished testing monster`s damage. And wiki seems completely wrong.

Its their average ordinary attack damage per hit. 800 is 800-1000 range and 1600 means 1600+. After that skills coefficients. And final tab damage for 1600+. I dont have many samples, but it should be more or less correct. Mostly mistakes should be in small examples like sprite. 1600+ means only tsukiko, so its peak damage. While mech is average between 1600-2250 and in reality peak damage higher and closer to 60k.
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It explains why scroll of protection is so good for mages. Lets take for example giant, because its very common class. Even 1100pl should deal close to 5k unmitg damage. But because we dont have very good protection its gonna be something like this one:
5000*(1-0,55)phys*0,75buff = 1,7k
We dont rly wanna take so high damage as ordinary hit. Specially against 7-9 mobs. Sure we d evade and parry something (its still huge income). But with scroll we have
5000*0,45*0,5= 1,1k and thats 1.5x times difference. Its very-very good decrease.

But wiki numbers is completely wrong.
For example i got 3 hits from 1604lvl undead. 1 is dark, its sp and unmitg damage is 46k. Second one is skill and its 27k. Third is also skill and its 23k. Damage from base attack is 6k. Its completely different scaling. Even if we take absolutely correct numbers...Lets say Cracker, because i know he has full chaos upgrade. Mech with that should have ~3900 adb. With 3x pf diff it should be 11700.

Base attack: 6700
Mp attack: 24500
Mp attack: 30600
Sp attack: 57800

Its not same 20/50/100. But i also checked another mech. Its babylon5 with 1182pl.

Base attack: 5500
Mp attack: 20000
Mp attack: 24000
Sp attack: 47500

If we check ratio, than its quite similar. So mobs have something for that. I dont see much sense to compare that to power, because all classes have different attack coefficient. I got from 40 to 60 % for base damage. Instead it looks much better to compare skills to their ordinary attacks. We can see it always, so we can predict easily skill damage also.

We can also see if mage doesnt have enough speed to clear before mp attack (maybe near 8 ordinary hits on low diff?) than income damage increase from 8*6700= 53k to 78k and its also almost 1.5x times difference.

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post Jun 11 2015, 10:15
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QUOTE(nobody_xxx @ Jun 11 2015, 00:39) *

Just curious , anybody know how much damage increase from that expensive 25k hath perk to OFC (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)


It doubles the damage.
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post Jun 11 2015, 11:19
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QUOTE(nec1986 @ Jun 11 2015, 08:02) *

Ok. Ive finished testing monster`s damage. And wiki seems completely wrong.

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For example i got 3 hits from 1604lvl undead. 1 is dark, its sp and unmitg damage is 46k. Second one is skill and its 27k. Third is also skill and its 23k. Damage from base attack is 6k. Its completely different scaling. Even if we take absolutely correct numbers...Lets say Cracker, because i know he has full chaos upgrade. Mech with that should have ~3900 adb. With 3x pf diff it should be 11700.

Base attack: 6700
Mp attack: 24500
Mp attack: 30600
Sp attack: 57800

Its not same 20/50/100. But i also checked another mech. Its babylon5 with 1182pl.

Base attack: 5500
Mp attack: 20000
Mp attack: 24000
Sp attack: 47500
Are you also controlling for piercing vs crushing vs slashing? If all monsters you are looking at have the same attack type for each skill, the numbers are accurate, but if (for instance) basic and MP 1 is Piercing, but MP 2 or SP is Crushing, just looking at multipliers off of base damage won't work.

There is also physical vs magical, and sometimes specific mitigation (Dark, etc). Annoying...
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post Jun 11 2015, 11:45
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Greetings

Just visited the site today .

*Notices HV 0.82 update in HV discussion section ..... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) ..... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/mellow.gif) ..... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif) ....... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) ....... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif) ..... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif) ....... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/faint.gif) *

By the beings responsible for all knowledge on profanity ..... THIS .... IS THE ... *SIGNAL TRANSMISSION LOST*

So BTW when will WTS section have BULK SUBSIDIZED ELIXIR SHOP OPENED

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post Jun 11 2015, 12:09
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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Jun 11 2015, 12:19) *

Are you also controlling for piercing vs crushing vs slashing?


Sure. I counted only full unmitg damage. Its pmi/mmi, mitg, crit and in some conditions also protection buff. Btw its quite unobvious defense increase. Some is magical, so in this situation i counted maximal. Thats also means some ppl doing mistakes and i saw some mobs with only half of potential skill damage. But sometimes its not vital.

For example i think sprite has equal void phys/magical damage. But phys can be parried, while magical can be resisted, right?. Its probably mistake to do magical, because for melee its near same result and its anyway hard to kill him. Mage conversely can die sometimes and has huge resist with low parry.
I could resist tsukiko`s sp attack almost every 2nd time even with melee.


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post Jun 11 2015, 12:18
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That sounds amazing..... but 25k.... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)
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post Jun 11 2015, 13:03
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QUOTE(Dammon @ Jun 11 2015, 15:15) *

wow (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wub.gif)



QUOTE(TygerTyger @ Jun 11 2015, 17:18) *

That sounds amazing..... but 25k.... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)


that perk just for rich player (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)
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post Jun 11 2015, 13:36
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Why is nobody selling me crystal packs? did I set it too low (55k) or do people have no packs currently? ;o
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post Jun 11 2015, 13:38
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I sold last 110 packs for 56k and that was the highest price. 55k looks more or less ok. Maybe just ppl wait someone who buy for 60k?
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post Jun 11 2015, 13:43
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Why is nobody selling me crystal packs? did I set it too low (55k) or do people have no packs currently? ;o

just increase your price higher (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)


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post Jun 11 2015, 14:21
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Question

How much has power of slaughter been NERFED.

I mean i enter a random encounter
@ hell difficulty with Superior power of slaughter set @ 98% with rapier of void

and not only am i defeated but all stats drop to 78% hands down

WTF seriously (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/mad.gif)

i mean what are the new uber armor 1h combo sets post patch 0.82 at mediocre level ?

Please reply urgent

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post Jun 11 2015, 14:26
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QUOTE(derp-z2 @ Jun 11 2015, 16:45) *

Greetings

Just visited the site today .

*Notices HV 0.82 update in HV discussion section ..... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) ..... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/mellow.gif) ..... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif) ....... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) ....... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif) ..... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif) ....... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/faint.gif) *

By the beings responsible for all knowledge on profanity ..... THIS .... IS THE ... *SIGNAL TRANSMISSION LOST*

So BTW when will WTS section have BULK SUBSIDIZED ELIXIR SHOP OPENED


elixir wont be subsidized. its designed for the rich.

potions soon maybe
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post Jun 11 2015, 14:27
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QUOTE(derp-z2 @ Jun 11 2015, 19:21) *

Question

How much has power of slaughter been NERFED.

I mean i enter a random encounter
@ hell difficulty with Superior power of slaughter set @ 98% with rapier of void

and not only am i defeated but all stats drop to 78% hands down

WTF seriously (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/mad.gif)

i mean what are the new uber armor 1h combo sets post patch 0.82 at mediocre level ?

Please reply urgent


you should at least use equisite. not superiors
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post Jun 11 2015, 14:34
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@karyl123

1. Good to know regarding potions

2. If i had known catalyst would not be an issue in patch 0.82 i would have bought / invested into 3 figures set earlier

but i still am collecting money for the said set which would now be IMPOSSIBLE becuse perma level cap.

end moral : the strong shall always prey on the weak . end of story.
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post Jun 11 2015, 14:42
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QUOTE(derp-z2 @ Jun 11 2015, 19:21) *

Question

How much has power of slaughter been NERFED.

I mean i enter a random encounter
@ hell difficulty with Superior power of slaughter set @ 98% with rapier of void

and not only am i defeated but all stats drop to 78% hands down

WTF seriously (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/mad.gif)

i mean what are the new uber armor 1h combo sets post patch 0.82 at mediocre level ?

Please reply urgent

(IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

98% rapier of void (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)


can we see your equipment link ?
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