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I know but still that too much for me (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)

Step by step, you can do it. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Are the XP multipliers for awards (including stars) multiplicative or additive with [each other], and with [perks/Adept Learner]? I had thought everything was multiplicative before, but then it was revealed that perks/Adept Learner are only additive, so I don't know what to think now.

All multiplicative, only hath additive.

Not so bad.
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=f600e49b14

How big you guys think price for that? Probably not very high, because edb is anyway close to even old Lmax and all other stats is quite low. Mostly a bit higher than Mmax.

It's better than my soulbound shoes (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

how much cost need to upgrade Adept Learner from 200 to 300 ?

Just over 3.4m

All multiplicative, only hath additive.

Really? My impression is that they are all additive, that even the hath perks had always been addtivie, and it was merely recently explained that it is additive.
Edit: ok, I was wrong.

This post has been edited by mozilla browser: Jun 3 2015, 17:36

I dont know exact, but wiki says so.
http://ehwiki.org/wiki/exp

Also Catgirl gets huge exp amount and with additive way it d no be even twice ordinary.

Wiki is outdated and has been known to be untrustworthy on quite a few things. Unfortunately.

It was confirmed some time ago.

Here is the results of 500 Noodle shrine

https://forums.e-hentai.org/index.php?s=&am...t&p=3515505
https://forums.e-hentai.org/index.php?s=&am...t&p=3518674

It's terrible (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

This post has been edited by milannews: Jun 3 2015, 15:22

Here is the results of 500 Noodle shrine

https://forums.e-hentai.org/index.php?s=&am...t&p=3515505
https://forums.e-hentai.org/index.php?s=&am...t&p=3518674

It's terrible (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

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maybe you need FoS (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

Here is the results of 500 Noodle shrine

https://forums.e-hentai.org/index.php?s=&am...t&p=3515505
https://forums.e-hentai.org/index.php?s=&am...t&p=3518674

It's terrible (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

Shrining for staff is a bad idea, considering how prices drop sharply with non-matching prefix and suffix. There's just way too many "useless" leg staff. Shrining for phase would be better. Any leg phase or leg prof cotton would grant you decent money. Only cotton protection and cotton warding are "useless"

This post has been edited by holy_demon: Jun 3 2015, 16:54

500 Noodle shrine

Not so bad. That was trifling 20mln credits, after all. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

better happy with something you have than despairing for something you don't have.

True, but that's what Taihenverse makes you think. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Our maging equipment doesn't differ much, but mana is a huge problem for me even before patch. Maybe I only need to rise 50 more levels to comfortably wizarding once again.

Can you please post your gear links? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

This gives ~ 44% mana conservation? Wow.

Nope. MC is Multiplicative. So it's 40.3% MC.
Theoretically, ~45% should be the maximum (without Ather Shard). But for that, you'll need Peerless Staff + Full Peerless Armor Set. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

How did you arrive at this point in your experimentation? When using only non-legacy restoratives, was the problem that you couldn't replesh mana fast enough, or was it that you could replenish mana, but the cost of potions was prohibitive?

Okay, get yourself some popcorn & cola. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

1. At the start, I tested out the legacy restoratives, and it soon became clear that they were not good in the new situation, neither they were gonna stay for a long time. So, I omitted them from my game strategy.

2. Then, I tested a regular unforged Destruction Staff + Full Radiant Phase build. But it wasn't that good either. In this setup, doing all the Arena (Including the SG ones) in PFUDOR cost me ~30k worth of restoratives (Only Mana Potion) per day (I mean, I had to buy that much even after the using all the self dropped restoratives). In this phase of testing, I didn't use any Theft/Tap.

3. Next, I tested Tap, and even though it was very good at mana saving, it increased my clear time horrendously! Also, It broke the rhythm of my gameplay, and I had to pay much more attention while playing, limiting my multitasking (Watching Anime/Movies while playing).

4. After that, it was Mana Theft time. It was very inefficient in regular battles, prolonging the battles even more than Tapping! But in the SG Arenas, it was heaven-sent! Even as a Elemental Mage, I only required a very few Mana potions, until the SGs started to appear. Once the SGs started to pop up, I didn't require a single Mana Potions.

5. Next, I tried Prof Build. It was good. ~180% prof factor seemed to be the best build setup without sacrificing too much firepower. Without using any Theft/Tap, my potions usage dropped quite a bit, but it was still ~10k per day (I still had to buy them).

6. Lastly, a friend of mine lent me his full forged set (Destruction Staff + Full Phase (not radiant/mystic/frugal)) before he soulfused them. And Holy Hell, all of a sudden I was saving mana, without any Theft/Tap! So looks like like heavy forging is the most optimal solution.

7. Finally, after I returned those gears, I went for a full frugal set (The one I posted). And even though it's not as mana saving as the fully forged set, it does let me save restoratives. That is the build I'm currently using. I plan on assembling a good new-patch set, and then concentrate on forging them heavily.

All these were tested in PFUDOR.

*phew*

Not so bad.
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=f600e49b14

How big you guys think price for that? Probably not very high, because edb is anyway close to even old Lmax and all other stats is quite low. Mostly a bit higher than Mmax.

The real question is, how many high level Fire mage are actually there? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)

All multiplicative, only hath additive.

I wonder what the rage quite number would be if hath was multiplicative. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)

It's better than my soulbound shoes (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

You're a Fire mage? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

Shrining for staff is a bad idea, considering how prices drop sharply with non-matching prefix and suffix. There's just way too many "useless" leg. Shrining for phase would be better. Any leg phase or leg prof cotton would grant you decent money. Only cotton protection and cotton warding are "useless"

+1

Thanks!

But I don't understand this bit:

6. Lastly, a friend of mine lent me his full forged set (Destruction Staff + Full Phase (not radiant/mystic/frugal)) before he soulfused them. And Holy Hell, all of a sudden I was saving mana, without any Theft/Tap! So looks like like heavy forging is the most optimal solution.

Proficiency and frugal build would obviously reduce MP consumption, so a mana draught might be almost sufficient. But, a fully-forged DPS set does not reduce MP consumption at all. In fact, because you clear each round in less turns, and you spend your turns casting T3/T2/T1 spells, your mana consumption should be even higher than the proficiency or frugal builds. Mana restoration from replenishment and gems should probably be unaffected. So, how could you suddenly be saving mana?

You're a Fire mage? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

Seem my ghetto fire mage set below...

The real question is, how many high level Fire mage are actually there? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)

Might be a few, I don't think it's that much less than the other elements. I can only think of GC for some reason, but I don't even know if he is.

I'm also one, although I only recently seriously started maging. I still mostly use melee for arena and PFUDORfests. Funnily enough I got a few amazing surtr phase drops right after I switched, must be blessed by Snowflake. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Thanks!

But I don't understand this bit:
Proficiency and frugal build would obviously reduce MP consumption, so a mana draught might be almost sufficient. But, a fully-forged DPS set does not reduce MP consumption at all. In fact, because you clear each round in less turns, and you spend your turns casting T3/T2/T1 spells, your mana consumption should be even higher than the proficiency or frugal builds. Mana restoration from replenishment and gems should probably be unaffected. So, how could you suddenly be saving mana?

Oops. I forgot to mention that the WIS of that set was very high, thus resulting in a much higher MP regen. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
(Even at the unforged state, they were ~Lmax)

This post has been edited by tetron: Jun 3 2015, 16:57

Might be a few, I don't think it's that much less than the other elements. I can only think of GC for some reason, but I don't even know if he is.

I'm also one, although I only recently seriously started maging. I still mostly use melee for arena and PFUDORfests. Funnily enough I got a few amazing surtr phase drops right after I switched, must be blessed by Snowflake. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

ST-Ru is fire mage if I'm not wrong (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

Seem my ghetto fire mage set below...

So you quit as a Dark Mage? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

I can only think of GC for some reason, but I don't even know if he is.

Nope. GC is Dark/Elec user. not Fire.

Funnily enough I got a few amazing surtr phase drops right after I switched, must be blessed by Snowflake. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

"Blessed" - You sure you used the right word? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

I know but still that too much for me (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)

Just buy one a day and you'll get it in 100 days (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Just buy one a day and you'll get it in 100 days (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Speaking of Training, what's your level in those "Reduce Monster Hunger/Morale" ones? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Speaking of Training, what's your level in those "Reduce Monster Hunger/Morale" ones? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

None I don't really look after my monsters

None I don't really look after my monsters

You're heartless. You should care for your monsters. Go train those ASAP! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)