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If you want to be able to play a remotely interesting difficulty, you should probably stop playing mage until at least level 310 or so, else you won't have the funds for enough firepower to kill the monsters before they do serious damage to you. Insufficient mana regeneration is also a huge issue now.

If you stay as mage, pick *one* element, and then have at least 4 or 5 equipment pieces be Phase of that element. (Staff should have that element as well) Otherwise you're giving up on a good deal of potential damage - almost all cotton is only worthwhile for bazaar sell value. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) (Exceptions: Proficiency gear, and maybe Earth-walker now, but that's just a guess)

If you want to be able to play a remotely interesting difficulty, you should probably stop playing mage until at least level 310 or so, else you won't have the funds for enough firepower to kill the monsters before they do serious damage to you. Insufficient mana regeneration is also a huge issue now.

If you stay as mage, pick *one* element, and then have at least 4 or 5 equipment pieces be Phase of that element. (Staff should have that element as well) Otherwise you're giving up on a good deal of potential damage - almost all cotton is only worthwhile for bazaar sell value. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) (Exceptions: Proficiency gear, and maybe Earth-walker now, but that's just a guess)

In current patch, it doesn't feel like just getting new armour is an option.

In current patch, it doesn't feel like just getting new armour is an option.

If you need rare-tier armor, yes, that'll be quite difficult for someone of your level. So it'll be a lot easier if you switch to melee and play with 1h / leather. You'll be able to handle much higher difficulties (and high difficulty RE will sometimes give you nice looking Mag or Leg drops).

A low-level mage attempting to play at high difficulty will find it... difficult.

if you do wish to persist, give spark of life a try, and some points to dex (increases parry; maybe up to 1/20 of the cost of other attributes) and str (increases SP; maybe up to 1/100 of the cost of other attributes)

I've denied this fact before, and I'm still denying it now. Unforged Mage is very good, if you know how to play efficiently. I myself am a prime example of this situation. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

What is your equipment tetron, and how do you play efficiently?

This post has been edited by mozilla browser: Jun 3 2015, 04:58

What is your equipment tetron, and how do you play efficiently?

Right now, this is the set that I'm wearing:

Legendary Shocking Willow Staff of Focus

Magnificent Onyx Phase Cap of Mjolnir
Magnificent Frugal Cotton Robe of the Elementalist
Magnificent Frugal Phase Gloves of Mjolnir
Exquisite Frugal Phase Pants of Mjolnir
Magnificent Frugal Phase Shoes of Mjolnir

Of course this is not a final build, since all the phases are pre-patch. But with this set, I can spam potions like before and play just like before, in PFUDOR, without resorting to Tap/Theft. I experimented many times with different mage builds in this patch to figure out what is more reasonable. And looks like only two options are viable: Either you forge ~25 levels in all your Armor + Staff, or if you don't have the moola, just go for a full unforged frugal Build. This allows you to play just like when you used to play before the patch (potionfest).

Pure firepower is still the optimal answer in this patch, but that's only viable if you can forge heavily. On the other hand, Focus Staff in this patch is very good, and is the best solution for unforged mages. "Focus Staff has low damage" logic no longer applies in this patch.

And I play Imperil-Mage, just like anyone else.

So my point is, I don't support the idea of "Full forged mage is super good. So we must not play it unforged."

This post has been edited by tetron: Jun 3 2015, 05:46

which of the two is better?

Legendary Fiery Katana of Slaughter

Legendary Demonic Katana of Slaughter

which of the two is better?

Legendary Fiery Katana of Slaughter

Legendary Demonic Katana of Slaughter

The fiery one, because you already have it, better happy with something you have than despairing for something you don't have.

but stat wise it's the auction lottery one.

This post has been edited by Fudo Masamune: Jun 3 2015, 07:16

which of the two is better?
Legendary Fiery Katana of Slaughter
Legendary Demonic Katana of Slaughter

The fiery one, because you already have it, better happy with something you have than despairing for something you don't have.

but stat wise it's the auction one.

+1

Right now, this is the set that I'm wearing:

Legendary Shocking Willow Staff of Focus

Magnificent Onyx Phase Cap of Mjolnir
Magnificent Frugal Cotton Robe of the Elementalist
Magnificent Frugal Phase Gloves of Mjolnir
Exquisite Frugal Phase Pants of Mjolnir
Magnificent Frugal Phase Shoes of Mjolnir

Of course this is not a final build, since all the phases are pre-patch. But with this set, I can spam potions like before and play just like before, in PFUDOR, without resorting to Tap/Theft. I experimented many times with different mage builds in this patch to figure out what is more reasonable. And looks like only two options are viable: Either you forge ~25 levels in all your Armor + Staff, or if you don't have the moola, just go for a full unforged frugal Build. This allows you to play just like when you used to play before the patch (potionfest).

Pure firepower is still the optimal answer in this patch, but that's only viable if you can forge heavily. On the other hand, Focus Staff in this patch is very good, and is the best solution for unforged mages. "Focus Staff has low damage" logic no longer applies in this patch.

And I play Imperil-Mage, just like anyone else.

So my point is, I don't support the idea of "Full forged mage is super good. So we must not play it unforged."

Our maging equipment doesn't differ much, but mana is a huge problem for me even before patch. Maybe I only need to rise 50 more levels to comfortably wizarding once again.

I've put no points in int and wis resulting in a rather paltry amount of mana and mana regen. Given that spells are still required for a non-mage, is it worthwhile to level these, and if so, how much?

I've put no points in int and wis resulting in a rather paltry amount of mana and mana regen. Given that spells are still required for a non-mage, is it worthwhile to level these, and if so, how much?

The only thing Intelligence does for you as a melee is contribute to your base SP, so you could leave it at 0 if you really wanted to. Every point of Wisdom increases your base MP by 1, as well as a host of other things, so investing in it is worthwhile. As for how much, it's up to you; some melees keep all attributes but Intelligence even, and those who stagger their attributes may have Wisdom lag behind a little.

Of course this is not a final build, since all the phases are pre-patch. But with this set, I can spam potions like before and play just like before, in PFUDOR, without resorting to Tap/Theft. I experimented many times with different mage builds in this patch to figure out what is more reasonable. And looks like only two options are viable: Either you forge ~25 levels in all your Armor + Staff, or if you don't have the moola, just go for a full unforged frugal Build. This allows you to play just like when you used to play before the patch (potionfest).

Pure firepower is still the optimal answer in this patch, but that's only viable if you can forge heavily. On the other hand, Focus Staff in this patch is very good, and is the best solution for unforged mages. "Focus Staff has low damage" logic no longer applies in this patch.

And I play Imperil-Mage, just like anyone else.

So my point is, I don't support the idea of "Full forged mage is super good. So we must not play it unforged."

Thanks. This gives ~ 44% mana conservation? Wow.

How did you arrive at this point in your experimentation? When using only non-legacy restoratives, was the problem that you couldn't replesh mana fast enough, or was it that you could replenish mana, but the cost of potions was prohibitive?

Not so bad.
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=f600e49b14

How big you guys think price for that? Probably not very high, because edb is anyway close to even old Lmax and all other stats is quite low. Mostly a bit higher than Mmax.

This post has been edited by nec1986: Jun 3 2015, 08:51

Not so bad.
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=f600e49b14

How big you guys think price for that? Probably not very high, because edb is anyway close to even old Lmax and all other stats is quite low. Mostly a bit higher than Mmax.

M to L range on most all stats is very good. It is normal for 0.82 L drops, but there are not much of them in the market yet. EDB is higher than 0.81 P, and though lowest stat Wis is 0.81 E, Intel is 0.81 P - so that's OK, IMO.

Stat-wise, it's pretty nice - price will not be low. The bigger problem is that it's Surtr. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

how much cost need to upgrade Adept Learner from 200 to 300 ?

The bigger problem is that it's Surtr. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

Yep. Actually my test set was surtr too, because i had not so bad fiery staff. So i was curios and checked all elemental styles for prof 3+2 build with some forge.
Fire. The slowest. Near 3% difference.
Cold. 3rd place. Near 2% difference.
Elec. Almost the best. 1% difference.
Wind. Top.
Not vital, but exist.

how much cost need to upgrade Adept Learner from 200 to 300 ?

As i remember near 3m.

This post has been edited by nec1986: Jun 3 2015, 10:17

As i remember near 3m.

too expensive for me (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)

too expensive for me (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)

You know that you dont have to pay the 3M in one go? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

I almost finished that training from 165. Its not very expensive, because its hard to train many times in 1 day. If its 5 per day, than its mostly only 150-250k. With 200-300k arena income balance is just freezed for some time. I also was thinking about it, because up to 200 its very cheap, but after that effect is lower and price is much higher. Specially after 250. But bronze star cost...6m? And it gives only 25% increase. 250-->300 cost a bit higher than 2m and gives 14% increase. Its still better even at this stage.

Actually i had to train it much earlier, but was a bit lazy.

You know that you dont have to pay the 3M in one go? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

I know but still that too much for me (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)

Are the XP multipliers for awards (including stars) multiplicative or additive with [each other], and with [perks/Adept Learner]? I had thought everything was multiplicative before, but then it was revealed that perks/Adept Learner are only additive, so I don't know what to think now.