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post May 16 2015, 16:38
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Oh yeah i forgot to mention that Spirit Shield was also active. I just didn't knew that I should keep both SS and SoL up while maging.
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post May 16 2015, 16:45
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QUOTE(Paarfi @ May 16 2015, 21:38) *

Oh yeah i forgot to mention that Spirit Shield was also active. I just didn't knew that I should keep both SS and SoL up while maging.


Sol is very important for mage in high difficulty (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

unless you are top tier mage in HV like dani , gc , http (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)

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post May 16 2015, 17:38
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QUOTE(nobody_xxx @ May 16 2015, 10:45) *

Sol is very important for mage in high difficulty (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

unless you are top tier mage in HV like dani , gc , http (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)


Ehy, what about me? I have a 30k holy score (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
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post May 16 2015, 17:43
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QUOTE(jenga201 @ May 16 2015, 17:38) *

Ehy, what about me? I have a 30k holy score (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

should i post a gif to make you feel more appreciated? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)


btw, pretty sure it's already been answered, but i'm a 1H/DWer with wind strike rapier. what's best between fire spikes (to raise a bit of mitigation against dragonkins and a chance to lower incoming damage) and frost spikes (to go for dragonkins and arthropods weakness, to boost wind damage and to lower mobs speed)?

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post May 16 2015, 17:43
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QUOTE(jenga201 @ May 16 2015, 22:38) *

Ehy, what about me? I have a 30k holy score (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

sorry I forget about you , jenga (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

my memory still remember you as top tier melee (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

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post May 16 2015, 17:44
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QUOTE(nobody_xxx @ May 16 2015, 11:43) *

sorry I forget about you , jenga (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

my memory still remember you as top tier melee (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)



Haha, guess so. The only thing I use melee for is RoB. Melee is kiiinda trash :/
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post May 16 2015, 17:47
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QUOTE(jenga201 @ May 16 2015, 17:44) *

Haha, guess so. The only thing I use melee for is RoB. Melee is kiiinda trash :/

said the one with the best estoc and one of the best axe/rapier/shade set around (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

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post May 16 2015, 17:57
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QUOTE(jenga201 @ May 16 2015, 17:44) *

Haha, guess so. The only thing I use melee for is RoB. Melee is kiiinda trash :/

Give this guy a force shield and a power of slaughter set ffs !
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post May 16 2015, 17:58
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QUOTE(danixxx @ May 16 2015, 11:57) *

Give this guy a force shield and a power of slaughter set ffs !



I would much rather kill 10x quicker than go deeper (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

It's all about quantity of mobs killed, not quality.
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post May 16 2015, 18:00
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QUOTE(nobody_xxx @ May 15 2015, 20:49) *

you need to steal dani rabbit foot for that (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

What's that?

QUOTE(Colman @ May 15 2015, 22:55) *

No idea, get 1 for around every 120 rounds or so now (Nintendo). Not sure does the difficulty have any effect.

That's just your luck. I haven't gotten any Artifacts for last 4 days from the SG arenas. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

QUOTE(nec1986 @ May 16 2015, 01:07) *

get 300 lvl and farm pf arenas. It gives...200k+ credits each day?

Full regular arena clear at IWBTH gives ~200k, excluding the SG ones.

QUOTE(Superlatanium @ May 16 2015, 01:56) *

I'm using elec.

Oi! Didn't you win an endgame Wind staff a few days ago?

QUOTE(Superlatanium @ May 16 2015, 01:56) *

Doesn't proficiency build take even longer to kill, in terms of action speed?

In terms of "action speed", prof build is faster than full phase, since Proficiency also decreases Cast Time.

QUOTE(clarkiest @ May 16 2015, 04:01) *

Whoaaa, hold your horse...
What kind of equipment do you think will be needed to run all arena on PF?
Or, do you expect us to complete it in 8 hours?

Become a Mage? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

QUOTE(nec1986 @ May 16 2015, 04:08) *

Em....any 1h set? As i remember its easy to do on 300lvl. Tbh i cant clear it as mage with my current set (something like 4m overall price) and only iwbth is possibly

I can clear all the regular Arenas at PFUDOR, and my active full phase set isn't even 1m worth in total. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

QUOTE(Superlatanium @ May 16 2015, 05:15) *

just play SG on Hard or something for trophies.

If you wanna save time, then why not Normal? It's the fastest.

QUOTE(Superlatanium @ May 16 2015, 05:15) *

PABs don't have much of an effect anyway when their exponential growth rate overshadows their proportions. Maybe stat X costs 5 times more than stat Y at some level, but when that difference translates into only +20 out of 300 (for instance), it's almost not even worth thinking about. This effect intensifies the higher your level.

Oh really? I don't think so. When playing in PFUDOR, EVERY bit of stat matters.

QUOTE(Stulpen @ May 16 2015, 05:26) *

I would disagree here, i never used silence. The only deprecating i used was weaken and imperil. It worked quite fine for me.

For Mages playing SG, MagNet (+100% Counter-Resist, +100% Anti-Evade) is also very good, especially for a full phase build.

QUOTE(Colman @ May 16 2015, 12:19) *

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That's your best ping? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

QUOTE(Colman @ May 16 2015, 12:56) *

Still need to spend ~3m to forge.

You forgot to add "only". (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)
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post May 16 2015, 18:02
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QUOTE(nobody_xxx @ May 16 2015, 13:54) *

I decide to stop forging my gears for now (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Focus to reach lvl 400 first (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wub.gif)

Reached 9000 ADB? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

QUOTE(Colman @ May 16 2015, 14:17) *

Well, 200% prof only need 2 prof equipment.
130%~140% prof do not even need prof equipment.

Even with a Destruction/EDB Staff? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

QUOTE(Superlatanium @ May 16 2015, 14:39) *

I'm curious, how many shards did it take for that godlike IW? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif)

QUOTE(n125 @ May 16 2015, 14:45) *

Absorb: 100% chance versus 90%; and Spark of Life leaves you with 50% of max HP remaining instead of 1 plus whatever Regen restores.

Didn't know these. So Absorb immediately happen when cast from Scroll? Is there any difference in "amount of attack absorbed" for Scroll and Spell?

QUOTE(n125 @ May 16 2015, 14:45) *

Infusions, when used in battle, increase the respective elemental mitigation by 25% and EDB by 25.

Wait! Is it +25% damage increase (for spells of that edb) or just a flat increase in +25 EDB? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

QUOTE(Scremaz @ May 16 2015, 15:36) *

i invite you to do it with a waki, a crude buckler and crude plates (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Even better, Naked Style! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)

QUOTE(nobody_xxx @ May 16 2015, 15:44) *

after seeing dani drop from PFU TTT make me want to cry (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/anime_cry.gif)

I'm happy enough to know that Leg grade Power Slaughters are not just myth! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

QUOTE(Superlatanium @ May 16 2015, 15:59) *

higher difficulty probably isn't worth it given the time required

Some people still regularly play those in PFUDOR. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)

QUOTE(mozilla browser @ May 16 2015, 19:16) *

i don't think that nec1986's idea is wrong. mage should be able to clear low difficulty rounds fast. But, I'm not sure if 5 cotton build can do so at hell.

When I became a Mage, at first I was playing with a Focus Staff and Full Cotton proficiency Build (Holy element). It was very safe, but also extremely slow. I remember my Magic Score back then being 2k (Don't remember my level)! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/faint.gif)

QUOTE(nobody_xxx @ May 16 2015, 20:15) *

unless you are top tier mage in HV like dani , gc , http (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)

Seriously?

QUOTE(jenga201 @ May 16 2015, 21:08) *

Ehy, what about me? I have a 30k holy score (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

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QUOTE(Scremaz @ May 16 2015, 21:13) *

btw, pretty sure it's already been answered, but i'm a 1H/DWer with wind strike rapier. what's best between fire spikes (to raise a bit of mitigation against dragonkins and a chance to lower incoming damage) and frost spikes (to go for dragonkins and arthropods weakness, to boost wind damage and to lower mobs speed)?

I'd say Cold Spike Shield.

QUOTE(danixxx @ May 16 2015, 21:27) *

Give this guy a force shield and a power of slaughter set ffs !

You do it. We all others are just not worthy enough. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

QUOTE(jenga201 @ May 16 2015, 21:28) *

I want to save time

Fixed. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)
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post May 16 2015, 18:05
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QUOTE(danixxx @ May 16 2015, 22:57) *

Give this guy a force shield and a power of slaughter set ffs !

we need to steal from cat for that , dani (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)


@tetron

nope , just lost some motivation to playing HV at the moment (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

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post May 16 2015, 18:11
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QUOTE(nobody_xxx @ May 16 2015, 21:35) *

nope , just lost some motivation to playing HV at the moment (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

Read a few doujinshi. You'll get your motivation back! (At least that's what I do) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)
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post May 16 2015, 23:01
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QUOTE(tetron @ May 16 2015, 16:00) *
Oi! Didn't you win an endgame Wind staff a few days ago?

In terms of "action speed", prof build is faster than full phase, since Proficiency also decreases Cast Time.

If you wanna save time, then why not Normal? It's the fastest.

I'm curious, how many shards did it take for that godlike IW? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif)

Some people still regularly play those in PFUDOR. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)
Doesn't mean I have the armor to go with it, unfortunately. Don't worry, I haven't forgotten, I just haven't gotten gear yet.

It's more complicated than that since offensive spells take a whole lot longer to cast than Imperil. Imperil takes 0.45 time to cast, T3 takes me ~1.290 time to cast, and T2 takes .952 time to cast. So even if total turns are similar with prof-build, or even a bit less, total action time is likely to be significantly more. (With full prof, T3 time goes down to 1.072, T2 stays about the same, as does T1. Imperil still has advantage)

Because others have reported never seeing any shards on Normal.

My simulations came up with the best strategy (so far that I've determined) which requires 172.5 +-.3 shards on average, though anywhere from 50 to 500 required would not be too surprising. That one took me about 180 shards.

I'm well aware, but the player in question is only level 250 and likely does not have good gear at all - which is why it's not a good idea for him. I don't want him to make the same mistake I made of trying for high difficulty SG arenas before having high level + gear.

...

By the way - please don't take this the wrong way, but this isn't the Chat thread. Maybe it's just me, but quoting every single thing anyone says so you can respond (usually with something uninformative) so you can make posts many many pages long... is seeming a bit obnoxious.

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post May 16 2015, 23:26
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QUOTE(tetron @ May 16 2015, 09:02) *

Didn't know these. So Absorb immediately happen when cast from Scroll? Is there any difference in "amount of attack absorbed" for Scroll and Spell?


Casting Absorb as a spell gives you a chance of absorbing the next non-crit spell, which ranges from 60-90%, scaling with the Better Absorb ability. This means that there's always a chance that a spell can slip by. If you cast Absorb from a scroll, then the chance of it absorbing the next non-crit spell is always 100%.

I'm not sure what you mean by "amount of attack absorbed".

EDIT: I think we're getting a patch this weekend...

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post May 16 2015, 23:34
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QUOTE(n125 @ May 16 2015, 23:26) *
If you cast Absorb from a scroll, then the chance of it absorbing the next non-crit spell is always 100%.


I didnt know it was 100% from scrolls. So that would be another option to get mana in battle.

BTW what spike shield do you guys use? I use the frost one, because of the weaknes for wind what i think helps me to make more damage with my tempestuous rapier, right?
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post May 17 2015, 00:17
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Fine prefix and Kevlar material are obsolete right?
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post May 17 2015, 00:18
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QUOTE(Stulpen @ May 16 2015, 23:34) *

I didnt know it was 100% from scrolls. So that would be another option to get mana in battle.

BTW what spike shield do you guys use? I use the frost one, because of the weaknes for wind what i think helps me to make more damage with my tempestuous rapier, right?

i used to use flame with 1H for passive damage reduction & fire mitigation + wind with shade for increased miss chance, but since my main weapon has wind strike too i guess i'll go with frost for both styles as well...
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post May 17 2015, 00:19
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Fine prefix and Kevlar material are obsolete right?


Yes they are.

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post May 17 2015, 04:41
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