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May 16 2015, 12:29
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Superlatanium
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QUOTE(billyismad @ May 16 2015, 10:00)  is level 300 the level you expect anyone to be able to do non-SG arenas at PF difficulty if you are using 1H?
does this assume you have a certain level of prof/perks/training or is just being level 300 enough to make even bazaar equipment viable? At 300, I was able to do all arenas at PF, including SG arenas, with bazaar-level Power Slaughter trash (and a 100k hallowed rapier and an emax force shield). I also had IA 1 and 2 though, which may have been essential to finishing DwD. (I had to use Shadow Veil, else I would die on round 140 or so due to too much damage taken / spirit and mana depleted) The non-SG arenas were easy. The SG arenas were more for completion/bragging rights than for anything else, since they took literally hours given the trash gear I had. (Just play SG arenas on Hard if you want trophies - higher difficulty probably isn't worth it given the time required)
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May 16 2015, 12:34
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(nobody_xxx @ May 16 2015, 12:14)  after seeing dani drop from PFU TTT make me want to cry (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/anime_cry.gif) yup
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May 16 2015, 12:50
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Paarfi
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Hello, esteemed experts. I recently pushed myself into the deep debt, so i was thinking about optimizing time i spend in the HV from the income standpoint.
1) the best way to earn credits for me seems to be doing arenas on Hard (not Normal because i don't want to miss the shards drops), starting from the shortest and continuing until i fed up for the day (which means I never get to the marathons). Am I right or you think there is a better way?
2)Since i do not play on high difficulties and do not encounter Schoolgirls, I think that 2H can clear these arenas faster than my usual DW. Would someone generous lend to me a nice 2H, left from the heyday of these weapons either for one day, to test my theory, or maybe even for a greater amount of time?
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May 16 2015, 12:56
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Superlatanium
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QUOTE(Paarfi @ May 16 2015, 10:50)  Hello, esteemed experts. I recently pushed myself into the deep debt, so i was thinking about optimizing time i spend in the HV from the income standpoint.
1) the best way to earn credits for me seems to be doing arenas on Hard (not Normal because i don't want to miss the shards drops), starting from the shortest and continuing until i fed up for the day (which means I never get to the marathons). Am I right or you think there is a better way?
2)Since i do not play on high difficulties and do not encounter Schoolgirls, I think that 2H can clear these arenas faster than my usual DW. Would someone generous lend to me a nice 2H, left from the heyday of these weapons either for one day, to test my theory, or maybe even for a greater amount of time?
1h will allow you to clear at a much higher difficulty, while losing only minimal damage. Your income per time will probably be a whole lot higher. If you play on Hard it'll take you forever to get any significant income. Compare to 1h, which could probably sleepwalk through BT at least at your level.
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May 16 2015, 13:52
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(Paarfi @ May 16 2015, 12:50)  Hello, esteemed experts. I recently pushed myself into the deep debt, so i was thinking about optimizing time i spend in the HV from the income standpoint.
1) the best way to earn credits for me seems to be doing arenas on Hard (not Normal because i don't want to miss the shards drops), starting from the shortest and continuing until i fed up for the day (which means I never get to the marathons). Am I right or you think there is a better way?
2)Since i do not play on high difficulties and do not encounter Schoolgirls, I think that 2H can clear these arenas faster than my usual DW. Would someone generous lend to me a nice 2H, left from the heyday of these weapons either for one day, to test my theory, or maybe even for a greater amount of time?
hard and similar levels have a penalty drop that starts to kick in when you reach 1k rounds played. to remove it you should play at least at hell. personally i suggest you to play all arenas at least at hell and only SGs at hard for trophies. also, equip a 1H set as latanium said and you'll walk easily
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May 16 2015, 14:16
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Paarfi
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First of all with my current tactic I do not reach 1000 rounds daily.
Then a large part of my income is either passive (Dawn bonus, monster gifts) or not difficulty-dependent (Artifacts, Arena Clear bonuses). So instead of sleepwalking the BT I would prefer finishing every arena up to Trio and the Tree as fast as possible, and that's it for the day.
I also tried doing marathons on Hell. It is very good exp, a chance for a nice drop, but with my current DW set (which I consider quite decent) it's less money for the same amount of time.
This post has been edited by Paarfi: May 16 2015, 14:16
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May 16 2015, 14:20
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nec1986
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Than maybe you should check mage? Its the fastest style on low diff. I think you can easy get x2 of your current clear. Also you can start with 5 prof set and its gonna be cheap. Good mage in 3 times faster than 1h on hell (and i think 1h has same clear speed as 2h or any other style or maybe even a bit faster), but good is a bit expensive, so its gonna be a bit lower. If you play hard or lower than actually it can be faster. Like kill all mobs in 1-3 turns?
This post has been edited by nec1986: May 16 2015, 14:24
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May 16 2015, 14:27
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Paarfi
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Maybe. Can you mage in light armor with 40 interference, or it is an exercise in futility?
And at the same time: my buying ability is very limited, so I would be grateful if someone lent me a maging set (or at least a good staff) to try it.
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May 16 2015, 14:41
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nec1986
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You need cotton for that. For example 5x cotton of heaven-sent with oak staff. Maybe even oak of focus, because iw is a bit hard.
It isnt perfect, but with cap prof you should easy hold low difficulties.
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May 16 2015, 14:58
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Paarfi
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I don't have good oaks or almost any heaven-sent.
Will superior willow staff of destruction do? But I have only 2 demon-fiend cottons (and 2 heaven-sent cottons). Will be grateful for the set of demon-fiend cottons.
This post has been edited by Paarfi: May 16 2015, 14:58
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May 16 2015, 15:23
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nec1986
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Not very. Holy is probably better, because it increases cure power. Also its nice to have mana price reduction (5eco from iw staff or focus suffix). I ll send you few heaven-sent, but thats only exq.
UPD. You use hover/spellspam?
This post has been edited by nec1986: May 16 2015, 15:25
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May 16 2015, 15:24
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clarkiest
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QUOTE(Paarfi @ May 16 2015, 14:58)  I don't have good oaks or almost any heaven-sent.
Will superior willow staff of destruction do? But I have only 2 demon-fiend cottons (and 2 heaven-sent cottons). Will be grateful for the set of demon-fiend cottons.
I don't like where this discussion is going if you only plan to get sup/exq staff and clothes. You'll just die. Or frustrated with amount of cure you have to cast every round. I'd rather advice you to do as you've already figured out: 2H, @hard if you don't have the time, @hell when ping is favorable. I gather that you put yourself in risk to borrow that much credit, why don't you try bounty?
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May 16 2015, 15:33
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Paarfi
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I will try maging today and see what I will get.
I did not put myself in risk, I can meet monthly payments on my loan without ever going into the grindfest or marathons, and with my DW/light armour set i can do it. I just want to do it faster.
And 2H was my initial idea, but while there are a plenty of people willing to lend me 1h or maging things (at least for a few days), my request for "nice 2h" has been without an answer so far. I suppose if maging will not be my forte, I just get back to the DW and wait some more.
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May 16 2015, 15:39
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nec1986
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Mage ll be quite weak at start, because you dont have prof, but at the end only divine prof ll give you up to 2x damage.
I dont know about survivability, because mage is very weak. But at the same time you play very low diff, so maybe thats ok. Just dont forget to activate mage abilities. All cloth, with holy also better smite, banish, paradise, soul fire and arcane focus buff (its very strong buff, so use it in combat).
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May 16 2015, 15:46
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mozilla browser
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i don't think that nec1986's idea is wrong. mage should be able to clear low difficulty rounds fast. But, I'm not sure if 5 cotton build can do so at hell. And it's gonna be hell to build mage, cotton and staff proficiencies up from scratch. I could lend you Legendary Tempestuous Estoc of Balance or Legendary Hallowed Longsword of the Illithid for a few days. Not sure if either of these are any good though, since I've not played 2h. By the way, is anyone able to lend me an ~ Lmax demon-fiend cap or gloves for a few days? I'm trying to see how a full-proficiency build would go. This post has been edited by mozilla browser: May 16 2015, 15:54
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May 16 2015, 16:03
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Paarfi
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>nec1986 I died. Twice. With light armor nothing could kill me on Hard when I have 50% HP so scripts were supposed to alert me when HP was at 50%. But as I found out even 4 monsters can one-shot you from 50% to zero in one turn, despite protection, haste, and shadow veil. I have sent you your items back. Thank you for trying to help. >mozilla browser Thank you too, but my best 2h so far is this http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=4dab7cc8c2Not that different to bother you with lending. But thanks for good intentions. This post has been edited by Paarfi: May 16 2015, 16:10
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May 16 2015, 16:15
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nec1986
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Oh. Probably thats not enough. Mage is very strict style and anything is important. But i thought on hard that could work. UPD. Actually its rly nice on 400+ lvl. Even my 360 lvl is still not very good for it.
This post has been edited by nec1986: May 16 2015, 16:17
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May 16 2015, 16:23
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mozilla browser
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QUOTE(Paarfi @ May 16 2015, 22:03)  >nec1986 I died. Twice. With light armor nothing could kill me on Hard when I have 50% HP so scripts were supposed to alert me when HP was at 50%. But as I found out even 4 monsters can one-shot you from 50% to zero in one turn, despite protection, haste, and shadow veil.
Do you have any proficiency in cloth armor and staves? If you're trying out a new style, you shouldn't ditch it till you've built up proficiency. Eg, rapier with good parry + force shield is supposed to be one of the most defensive combinations. but it was really tough right after switching to it.
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May 16 2015, 16:26
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nec1986
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Cloth prof wont give much. Its only accuracy, speed, crit and mp. Heavy gives huge amount of mitg with hp. Probably its more lower lvl with bad gear and no hp perk. Bad defense with low pool is easy death and specially from mp/sp attack. Also his spirit shield threshold is still high.
This post has been edited by nec1986: May 16 2015, 16:29
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May 16 2015, 16:32
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mozilla browser
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Mmm, yeah!
Then maybe it's the buffs. SoL is pretty essential for mages, i'd think.
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