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May 13 2015, 19:04
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nec1986
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You need also prof, because prof gives huge adb amount/counter attacks/stuns and so on. Just play it a bit longer and you ll see with time its better and better. Slaughter set? Also 1h has endless spirit stance. I lose charge only with 1-2 mobs, but with 4 its easy to hold and with 6+ i gain a bit even with stance on. QUOTE(Stulpen @ May 13 2015, 19:49)  Price check please.
Something near 1m. This post has been edited by nec1986: May 13 2015, 19:06
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May 13 2015, 19:05
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nobody_xxx
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QUOTE(lwprbf @ May 14 2015, 00:33)  Hi there. Recently i took some advice from you guys and switched to 1h+shield. But i found out that it took way more times to clear daily arena run than 2h.
So i wonder if i am playing at a wrong way or not. Can i ask for some guideline on how to start the battle?
Hereby is my way. {I start turn on OC @250% and keep spam attack until 0%. Then recast spell, spam attack until i get back to 250%.} Loop. Don't use any weapon skill due to insufficient of proficiency. I do have cure less than 2h but it took me forever to finish a round. Especially when i get into a 10 enemies rounds it makes me want to kill myself or flee. God i miss Domino Strike, Great Cleave and Rending Blow.
what difficulty you playing ? if BT below , just use 2H (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) you need high damage output + OFC for mass enemy with 1H (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) QUOTE(Stulpen @ May 14 2015, 00:49)  mag EDB , poor INT and WIS , leg EVA , regular prefix (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) I don't think this will reach 1M (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) CMIIW (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)
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May 13 2015, 19:06
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Colman
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QUOTE(lwprbf @ May 14 2015, 00:33)  Hi there. Recently i took some advice from you guys and switched to 1h+shield. But i found out that it took way more times to clear daily arena run than 2h.
So i wonder if i am playing at a wrong way or not. Can i ask for some guideline on how to start the battle?
Hereby is my way. {I start turn on OC @250% and keep spam attack until 0%. Then recast spell, spam attack until i get back to 250%.} Loop. Don't use any weapon skill due to insufficient of proficiency. I do have cure less than 2h but it took me forever to finish a round. Especially when i get into a 10 enemies rounds it makes me want to kill myself or flee. God i miss Domino Strike, Great Cleave and Rending Blow.
Assuming you are playing on PF arena. Check list - Do you have high enough block (45%+ for arena)?
- Do you have 200+ 1H proficiency?
- Do you have burden lower than 70?
- Do you have some power armor?
If your answer of 1 and 2 are yes, then you should be at least keep your spirit stance very long. 3 is for critical chance. 4 is what make 1h kill fast.
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May 13 2015, 19:14
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Uncle Stu
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QUOTE(nec1986 @ May 13 2015, 19:04)  Something near 1m.
QUOTE(nobody_xxx @ May 13 2015, 19:05)  I don't think this will reach 1M (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) So something aroung 800k-900k. This is good enough. Thanks for the help.
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May 13 2015, 19:21
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lwprbf
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QUOTE(nec1986 @ May 14 2015, 01:04)  You need also prof, because prof gives huge adb amount/counter attacks/stuns and so on. Just play it a bit longer and you ll see with time its better and better. Slaughter set?
Also 1h has endless spirit stance. I lose charge only with 1-2 mobs, but with 4 its easy to hold and with 6+ i gain a bit even with stance on.
Thanks for the quick reply. I have done some research but most of the post just show a roughly guideline for beginners starting 1H. Rarely gone through the details ( eg: strategy, battle item choice) Yes, I use slaughter set(superior thought) to clear arena run and protection set for IWBTH/PD random encounters. Back to 2H, OC T1+T2+T3 will kill all 5 enemies on my level since i have done some damage to reach the % needed. Now have to OC spam attack which takes forever to kill 10 enemies. Not mentions that also increase the remain cost of buffer. Seems that best way will be doing the arena run at low level until i reach a decent prof? QUOTE(nobody_xxx @ May 14 2015, 01:05)  what difficulty you playing ? if BT below , just use 2H (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) you need high damage output + OFC for mass enemy with 1H (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) Thanks for the reply. Arena First page above BT Second page below BT Random encounter PD/IWBTH QUOTE(Colman @ May 14 2015, 01:06)  Assuming you are playing on PF arena. Check list - Do you have high enough block (45%+ for arena)?
- Do you have 200+ 1H proficiency?
- Do you have burden lower than 70?
- Do you have some power armor?
If your answer of 1 and 2 are yes, then you should be at least keep your spirit stance very long. 3 is for critical chance. 4 is what make 1h kill fast. Thanks for the reply. 1: I just got 30% block. 2: Just started below 50 3: Never dream of it since i only use heavy armor. 4: unforged superior slaughter set. Which brings me more question?. Is there a way reaching 45% block without forge or big sacrifice of phy def or attack? Making burden lower than 70% looks like impossible for me. Any tips for it (Assume that using heavy armor)? This post has been edited by lwprbf: May 13 2015, 19:41
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May 13 2015, 19:43
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nobody_xxx
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QUOTE(lwprbf @ May 14 2015, 01:21)  Thanks for the quick reply. I have done some research but most of the post just show a roughly guideline for beginners starting 1H. Rarely gone through the details ( eg: strategy, battle item choice) Yes, I use slaughter set(superior thought) to clear arena run and protection set for IWBTH/PD random encounters.
Back to 2H, OC T1+T2+T3 will kill all 5 enemies on my level since i have done some damage to reach the % needed. Now have to OC spam attack which takes forever to kill 10 enemies. Not mentions that also increase the remain cost of buffer.
Seems that best way will be doing the arena run at low level until i reach a decent prof? Thanks for the reply. Arena First page above BT Second page below BT
Random encounter PD/IWBTH Thanks for the reply.
1: I just got 30% block. 2: Just started below 50 3: Never dream of it since i only use heavy armor. 4: unforged superior slaughter set.
Which brings me more question. Is there a way reaching 45% block without forge or big sacrifice of phy def or attack?
Making burden lower than 70% looks like impossible for me. Any tips for it (Assume that using heavy armor)?
I will post the quote from the best 1H melee in HV ( you know who ) when he chatting with me (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) what you need for 1H is attack , more attack , and higher attack (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) you need increase your prof and lvl for that if you don't want to forge your shield (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) This post has been edited by nobody_xxx: May 13 2015, 19:44
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May 13 2015, 19:44
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Dead-ed
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QUOTE(lwprbf @ May 13 2015, 10:21)  Making burden lower than 70% looks like impossible for me.
use featherweight shard. seeing your level, you can tolerate the cost.
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May 13 2015, 19:51
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Colman
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QUOTE(lwprbf @ May 14 2015, 01:21)  1: I just got 30% block. 2: Just started below 50 3: Never dream of it since i only use heavy armor. 4: unforged superior slaughter set.
Which brings me more question?. Is there a way reaching 45% block without forge or big sacrifice of phy def or attack?
Making burden lower than 70% looks like impossible for me. Any tips for it (Assume that using heavy armor)?
Get an Ex_max block forge shield, and you could easily reach 45% block. You need to know there are 2.5% block per for every 100 1h proficiency. With forge shield + full power, your burden should be around 68~80 depended on your weapon. If you use light weapon (rapier or ethereal weaopn) thus your burden is lower than 75, it is still alright. No need to feather anything. The best 1h set up atm is - rapier of slaughter (hallow or ethereal) - force shield of high block - full power slaughter This post has been edited by Colman: May 13 2015, 19:52
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May 13 2015, 20:03
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Uncle Stu
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QUOTE(lwprbf @ May 13 2015, 19:21)  Making burden lower than 70% looks like impossible for me. Any tips for it (Assume that using heavy armor)?
Just ignore this. Im also over 70 Burden. Improve your armor to exq for the beginning.
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May 13 2015, 20:06
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Kazuki3
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QUOTE(n125 @ May 13 2015, 05:35)  What abilities have you already maxed?
Well they are not all maxed but they are at the max for my level: HP Tank, MP Tank, SP Tank, Better Mana Pots, Staff Spell Damage, Staff Damage, Cloth Spell Crit, Cloth Castspeed, Cloth MP, Better Weaken, Faster Weaken, Better Imperil, Faster Imperil, Mind Control, Better Magnet, Better Haste, Better Shadow Veil, Stronger Spirit, Better Arcane Focus, Better Regen, Better Cure, Better Protection, Frost Spike Shield, Tempest, Sorcery, Elementalism, Archmage. I'm playing wind mage atm. Also wondering if it's worth maxing Frost Spike Shield or if I should just leave it at level 1 since it seems to only gain cold mitigation? This post has been edited by Kazuki3: May 13 2015, 20:09
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May 13 2015, 20:07
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lwprbf
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QUOTE(nobody_xxx @ May 14 2015, 01:43) 
Thanks~Looking forward to seeing the stats. QUOTE(Dead-ed @ May 14 2015, 01:44)  use featherweight shard. seeing your level, you can tolerate the cost.
I will use it at high level arena. Thanks. QUOTE(Colman @ May 14 2015, 01:51)  Get an Ex_max block forge shield, and you could easily reach 45% block. You need to know there are 2.5% block per for every 100 1h proficiency.
With forge shield + full power, your burden should be around 68~80 depended on your weapon. If you use light weapon (rapier or ethereal weaopn) thus your burden is lower than 75, it is still alright. No need to feather anything.
The best 1h set up atm is - rapier of slaughter (hallow or ethereal) - force shield of high block - full power slaughter
Thank you. I can't find a decent but affordable rapier of slaughter so i may just stick on this one until i stock enough credits. My_rapierMy power set with rapier and shield is 86 burden. I will start working on them to find nicer replacement. Thank you all for the suggestions, it shows me the direction to go and work. Really helps a lot. This post has been edited by lwprbf: May 13 2015, 20:32
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May 13 2015, 20:20
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nec1986
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Probably im quite lucky, because i have only 61,6 burden(7,2 attack speed, 5,3% evade). And 21,7 with full featherweight (10,2 attack speed, 17,5% evade).
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May 13 2015, 20:26
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Uncle Stu
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QUOTE(lwprbf @ May 13 2015, 20:07)  I can't find a decent but affordable slaughter so i may just stick on this one until i stock enough credits.
So, you want a full slaughter set? Ask yourself a question, are you allready strong enough to worry about your damage, our have you still fear to get killed in normal arena? I would guess, you still have to fear, so i would suggest, dont bother to much about slaughter at the moment. Just upgrade to a useful Exq-non-slaughter set, or maybe even a cheap Mag piece and forge them. At least up to 5. When you stopp worring about get killed by the mobs, it is time to worry about how can you max out your ABD. Also upgrade your set to Exq will also reduce your burden by it self.
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May 13 2015, 20:31
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nec1986
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I think he can easy hold any non sg pf arena with better shield and max prof. So no problem with full slaughter. That rapier btw is pretty. Solid damage with 24+ base parry and 25%-6 proc. Its ok to keep it very long time.
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May 13 2015, 20:32
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Colman
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QUOTE(lwprbf @ May 14 2015, 02:07)  Thanks~Looking forward to seeing the stats. I will use it at high level arena. Thanks. Thank you. I can't find a decent but affordable slaughter so i may just stick on this one until i stock enough credits. [fontsize=5]My_raiper[/fontsize]My power set with rapier and shield is 86 burden. I will start working on them to find nicer replacement. Thank you all for the suggestions, it shows me the direction to go and work. Really helps a lot. Which shield are you using? It shouldn't be so heavy with force shield.
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May 13 2015, 20:53
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lwprbf
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QUOTE(Stulpen @ May 14 2015, 02:26)  So, you want a full slaughter set? Ask yourself a question, are you allready strong enough to worry about your damage, our have you still fear to get killed in normal arena? I would guess, you still have to fear, so i would suggest, dont bother to much about slaughter at the moment. Just upgrade to a useful Exq-non-slaughter set, or maybe even a cheap Mag piece and forge them. At least up to 5. When you stopp worring about get killed by the mobs, it is time to worry about how can you max out your ABD. Also upgrade your set to Exq will also reduce your burden by it self.
You are right. I wouldn't survive with slaughter set @PD. QUOTE(nec1986 @ May 14 2015, 02:31)  I think he can easy hold any non sg pf arena with better shield and max prof. So no problem with full slaughter. That rapier btw is pretty. Solid damage with 24+ base parry and 25%-6 proc. Its ok to keep it very long time.
I can only clear PF arena on the first page. Don't get enough mana to remain buffer. I have VV IA1 for the hath perks and 8/10 pack rat. School girls arena is my trauma. I get really closed to clear it but ran out of potions and get killed. I will try PF on second page arena once i got 200+ prof. BTW, so it means that the rapier worth forge or IW? QUOTE(Colman @ May 14 2015, 02:32)  Which shield are you using? It shouldn't be so heavy with force shield.
A piece of junk got from mobs. MY SHIELD I spent all my credit to hath perks VV few days ago so i have to work on the shield later.
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May 13 2015, 21:05
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nec1986
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Why not? Its almost Lmax adb (29,04) with Mmax parry (24,17). You can use some slaughter with probably 40 adb, but even for me it ll be only near 250 adb difference. Its not vital, at the same time slaughter has only 16-17 base parry. Final difference for me is close to 7% parry. Also not vital, because it works only after evade and block (your block gonna be quite high), but i d say its quite equal exchange small part of attack for defense.
This post has been edited by nec1986: May 13 2015, 21:05
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May 13 2015, 21:07
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Uncle Stu
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QUOTE(lwprbf @ May 13 2015, 20:53)  I spent all my credit to hath perks VV few days ago so i have to work on the shield later.
Well, a force shield is for you more usefull than VV.
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May 13 2015, 21:20
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Fudo Masamune
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QUOTE A piece of junk got from mobs. MY SHIELD I spent all my credit to hath perks VV few days ago so i have to work on the shield later. there's some people selling Emax block force shield for 20-25k-ish credit. that should add another 7~9% block chance....
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