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May 12 2015, 18:44
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nec1986
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Btw. I cheked a bit mobs today also. And seems its not even close to 10 rounds cd. I did 300+ rounds and faced:
Yuki. 12 times Tsukiko. 10 times. Jim. 7 times.
So its looks more like once per 30 rounds (of course some random also). Its still much better than any other range and specially because there is no competition. F.e. in last time i was collecting pl frequency and 1-1.1k range was very popular (33% of all monsters), but its almost 700 monsters. This way one mob appears only average 1,2 times and its in 8 times lower than any top.
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May 12 2015, 18:46
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pcsbx
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ May 12 2015, 18:36)  (...) club may be better, but at least is ethereal, so i guess you can keep it for a while. just wondering, how many stun turns at your level? 2?
IIRC, four moves when hasted per a singular stun.
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May 12 2015, 19:36
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tetron
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QUOTE(hitokiri84 @ May 12 2015, 21:55)  I've never known this monster to be particularly strong or resistant. Hardly behind Kodou Yuki in PL, yet KY tanks like crazy. It must be because arthropod WIS is a little higher, and END is a lot higher. I mean, Eila 501st is also maxed (nearly?), but you would never know it without scanning since Humanoid is so weak.
Any Max-PL Elemental out there? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) QUOTE(Scremaz @ May 12 2015, 21:56)  i only saw a leg until now, and it was a katana of balance with crappy ACC. best T3 drop until now was a mag shade of fleet which was decent enough for self-use. best T1... well... (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) maybe a mag staff of proficiency (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) There are only two categorization of Equipments: Normal and Rare. So what is T3? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) QUOTE(jenga201 @ May 12 2015, 21:58)  I haven't either. I think this monster class is much weaker for players 450+.
Theoretically, it should have very strong spirit attack.
That monster is strong enough to infinitely ass rape most of the newbie mage and low level Light Armor users. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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May 12 2015, 20:18
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(nec1986 @ May 12 2015, 18:44)  Btw. I cheked a bit mobs today also. And seems its not even close to 10 rounds cd. I did 300+ rounds and faced:
Yuki. 12 times Tsukiko. 10 times. Jim. 7 times.
So its looks more like once per 30 rounds (of course some random also). Its still much better than any other range and specially because there is no competition. F.e. in last time i was collecting pl frequency and 1-1.1k range was very popular (33% of all monsters), but its almost 700 monsters. This way one mob appears only average 1,2 times and its in 8 times lower than any top.
remember 10 rounds is the minimum cooldown, not a fixed one. however, i'm quite sure i met tsukiko within 5 rounds or so a couple of times QUOTE(pcsbx @ May 12 2015, 18:46)  IIRC, four moves when hasted per a singular stun.
well, then it's at least viable. furthermore it's a superior, so forging it should require only LG metal and low-tier catalysts QUOTE(tetron @ May 12 2015, 19:36)  Any Max-PL Elemental out there? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) nope. [ hvlist.niblseed.com] the highest ones seem to be ichy and i fear fire, both slightly above 1600 QUOTE(tetron @ May 12 2015, 19:36)  There are only two categorization of Equipments: Normal and Rare. So what is T3? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) lol, i guess i think in an obsolete way (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) in a recent past, there were three tiers: actual common was T1, actual rare was T3 and intermediate T2 was made of daggers, scythes, ebony staffs, tower shields (which once were T3, btw), gossamer clothes, kevlar and shield armors. someone (or maybe only me (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) ) still tends to refer to actual tiers as T1 and T3
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May 12 2015, 20:28
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tetron
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ May 12 2015, 23:48)  lol, i guess i think in an obsolete way (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) in a recent past, there were three tiers: actual common was T1, actual rare was T3 and intermediate T2 was made of daggers, scythes, ebony staffs, tower shields (which once were T3, btw), gossamer clothes, kevlar and shield armors. someone (or maybe only me (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) ) still tends to refer to actual tiers as T1 and T3 I see.
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May 12 2015, 20:52
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(tetron @ May 12 2015, 20:28)  I see.
funny thing, that classification was changed various times: for example, in a more distant past today's forgotten like axes and kites were once T2. if you think about it, until a couple patches ago selling a kite shield to bazaar gave you way more credits than selling a comparable buckler, i guess it was a bug from back then that was fixed only recently This post has been edited by Scremaz: May 12 2015, 20:53
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May 12 2015, 22:01
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nec1986
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Looks like daily killing is near 5m mobs per day. No wonder we can see leg force shield in auc each weak.
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May 12 2015, 22:32
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hitokiri84
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QUOTE(tetron @ May 12 2015, 12:36)  Any Max-PL Elemental out there? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) QUOTE(Scremaz @ May 12 2015, 13:18)  [ hvlist.niblseed.com] the highest ones seem to be ichy and i fear fire, both slightly above 1600 They would still be weak from low END since it factors in to both PMI and MMI. QUOTE(Scremaz @ May 12 2015, 13:18)  in a recent past, there were three tiers: actual common was T1, actual rare was T3 and intermediate T2 was made of daggers, scythes, ebony staffs, tower shields (which once were T3, btw), gossamer clothes, kevlar and shield armors. someone (or maybe only me (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) ) still tends to refer to actual tiers as T1 and T3 Silk, Dragon Hide, and Sword Chucks too. I still think of everything in terms of T1, T2, and T3. This post has been edited by hitokiri84: May 12 2015, 22:33
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May 12 2015, 23:08
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(hitokiri84 @ May 12 2015, 22:32)  Silk, Dragon Hide, and Sword Chucks too. I still think of everything in terms of T1, T2, and T3.
and chainmail (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) btw, all those armors were T2, but what about chucks? which tier? also, re-tried PF T&T with DW shade (rapier + waki, both IW10), two infusions, hallowed weapon and FRD: i guess it's pretty doable, but only if you have enough SP potions. died on round 92 after i was siphoning for 40 rounds or so (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)
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May 13 2015, 00:49
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hitokiri84
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ May 12 2015, 16:08)  and chainmail (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) btw, all those armors were T2, but what about chucks? which tier? Not sure, but I'd guess T2 since that's what all the other retired equipment was. Definitely not T1 though. They were pretty uncommon. This post has been edited by hitokiri84: May 13 2015, 00:50
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May 13 2015, 02:46
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nobody_xxx
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ May 13 2015, 05:08)  and chainmail (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) btw, all those armors were T2, but what about chucks? which tier? also, re-tried PF T&T with DW shade (rapier + waki, both IW10), two infusions, hallowed weapon and FRD: i guess it's pretty doable, but only if you have enough SP potions. died on round 92 after i was siphoning for 40 rounds or so (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) maybe you need to upgrade your WD and evade to clear it with DW , scremaz (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) nearly 2 months since my last slaughter gift (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
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May 13 2015, 02:50
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orgolove
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I'm still a noob, but... are either of these something I should spend time leveling up through item world? In fact, at what level should I begin thinking about forging/upgrading/item-worlding items?
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May 13 2015, 03:07
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n125
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QUOTE(orgolove @ May 12 2015, 17:50)  I'm still a noob, but... are either of these something I should spend time leveling up through item world? In fact, at what level should I begin thinking about forging/upgrading/item-worlding items? Usually people reserve those activities for legendaries and high-end magnificents. It's easier to upgrade lower caliber gear by just replacing it entirely.
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May 13 2015, 03:26
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orgolove
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Great, thanks. I'll save my stamina for monster crystals then.
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May 13 2015, 05:48
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Superlatanium
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Consider item world as an investment of ~300k+ into the piece of gear. (that's about how much it's worth) So the gear should have at least a similar base value for IW to be worth it, hopefully significantly more.
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May 13 2015, 07:18
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orgolove
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Thanks again. It's difficult to tell what the value of a piece of gear is... is it 100 times the bazaar sell price? I don't see the correlation.
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