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post May 11 2015, 10:37
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where's that proficiency growth comes from?
Are each tick of regen also give possibility for supportive proficiency gain? I tought it's only possible to gain it when casting the spell.

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no... wait that's not regen tick lol, it's from mana potion... then where did that proficiency comes from?

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post May 11 2015, 10:39
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maybe you have ia slots?
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post May 11 2015, 10:45
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maybe you have ia slots?


oh... so spells in IA slots give chance for supportive proficiency growth too? every turn? that's cool (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) thanks.
time to buy another one then.
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post May 11 2015, 10:52
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Good Leg force shield usually surpass 10M in recent auction (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)

maybe I will hunting for mag force (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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post May 11 2015, 11:33
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QUOTE(Fudo Masamune @ May 11 2015, 11:45) *

oh... so spells in IA slots give chance for supportive proficiency growth too? every turn? that's cool (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) thanks.
time to buy another one then.

Yep. Thats quite fast way for increasing prof.

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maybe I will hunting for mag force (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)


I have Mmax force with 31 block forge for sell. But its still not so cheap and probably much better to buy some closer to L and forge later.
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post May 11 2015, 11:53
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Also looking for mmax block force shield, but spending more than 400k on one piece of equipment still feel exessive for me.

I am tempted to bid this staff on last auction out of frustration not finding decent demonic willow of destruction. Based on your experience, can this staff serve me until about level 360 or maybe 380?

I imagine competition will be fierce once good staff turn up, so I will need quite some time until I have enough credit to compete Or maybe, I'll just do maging with cheaper element instead ~~ I even shed tears on last freyr staff lottery, why staffs costs so much.. :(
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post May 11 2015, 12:38
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I saw few very close to mmax shield for 350-500k. Sometimes it cost 700-800k, but usually with all good rolls (E-M max).

About mage than actually it can be better to use 1h some time. My mage phase holy set cost probably 3-4m (with 1 cotton), but i can clear only iwbth arenas except sg. Its faster in 1.5-2 times, but also more tiring. And i cant do fest very profitably even with cry5. So for me it works only for fast arena clears and for better result i should spend more, forge, iw, buy perks and also level-up, because mage has strong level scaling. Same gear for 300lvl gives 2300 mdb with 388ebd and 2900 mdb with 466 edb for 400. Its 1.5x times difference.

But if you play only arenas than mage probably the best style. Its rly fast. I tested with holy 2 staffs. First one without prefix. Its quite close to that demonic one and second was with 1.5x edb roll. Havent noticed big difference. Maybe from 145-150 hellfest rounds to 155-158.
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post May 11 2015, 12:57
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A general question about Imperil - the impression I'm getting is that it shouldn't be used if at all possible, right? Otherwise, Spellspam can't be used easily, and it takes a significantly greater amount of time to manually pave over all mobs with Imperil before attacking. It might be more efficient in terms of mana cost and action speed per round, depending on difficulty, but not in terms of seconds required per round - does that sound right? Even for elemental, although they benefit more from Imperil than holy/dark.

But, I know lots of people are OK with playing on lower difficulty, for which Imperil is less useful, and thus don't recommend it - but I always want to play on PF or IWBTH. Is going without Imperil still a good choice for high-difficulty elemental?
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I am tempted to bid this staff on last auction out of frustration not finding decent demonic willow of destruction. Based on your experience, can this staff serve me until about level 360 or maybe 380?
Were you planning to IW or to get someone to IW (to Eco 5) the staff you will use? If so, I don't think Focus is good; (62% more staff MDB from Destruction + 25% MC) would be much better than (Focus + Penetrator 4 or 5, next best potency). It's true that a well-rolled Leg WS of D would be very very expensive, but on a limited budget I think it would be fine to settle for Mag. Demon-fiend could be good as well, if you play without Imperil (which you probably should) - and it's cheaper than Destruction. Same for Demon-fiend Katalox, I think (which might even work better than Willow if you don't use Imperil).

If you think you'll replace at level 360 or 380, that's quite a ways away for someone without stars/awards, so it's OK to invest a lot for something good, and even then you might not feel enough desire to replace it if it's good enough.
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post May 11 2015, 13:04
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QUOTE(nec1986 @ May 11 2015, 17:33) *

Yep. Thats quite fast way for increasing prof.
I have Mmax force with 31 block forge for sell. But its still not so cheap and probably much better to buy some closer to L and forge later.


sorry , but I don't have enough budget at this moment (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

maybe next time when I have enough credits to spend (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)


QUOTE(clarkiest @ May 11 2015, 17:53) *

Also looking for mmax block force shield, but spending more than 400k on one piece of equipment still feel exessive for me.

I am tempted to bid this staff on last auction out of frustration not finding decent demonic willow of destruction. Based on your experience, can this staff serve me until about level 360 or maybe 380?

I imagine competition will be fierce once good staff turn up, so I will need quite some time until I have enough credit to compete Or maybe, I'll just do maging with cheaper element instead ~~ I even shed tears on last freyr staff lottery, why staffs costs so much.. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
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hello , clarkiest (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

you chose wrong element (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

wind mage is the most expensive in all elemental mage compare with fire , ice and lightning mage (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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post May 11 2015, 13:10
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I actually forgot that I have IA2. I'm thinking of putting Spirit Shield and Haste but what do you guys think?
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post May 11 2015, 13:12
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QUOTE(nobody_xxx @ May 11 2015, 16:52) *

Good Leg force shield usually surpass 10M in recent auction (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)

maybe I will hunting for mag force (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

You really don't want a mag force shield.
exmax - mmax block is only 1
but lmax block is up to mmax +3
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post May 11 2015, 13:15
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I actually forgot that I have IA2. I'm thinking of putting Spirit Shield and Haste but what do you guys think?

Depends on what style you play. Haste is an automatic must, but as for the other slot? If you use SoL at all, that is the best spell in an IA slot. If not, then either SS or Shadow Veil are my personal preferences.
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post May 11 2015, 13:17
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You really don't want a mag force shield.
exmax - mmax block is only 1
but lmax block is up to mmax +3

I don't have money to buy leg force shield at this moment (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)
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post May 11 2015, 13:20
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QUOTE(nobody_xxx @ May 11 2015, 19:17) *

I don't have money to buy leg force shield at this moment (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)

The price of leg -1~-2 force and mmax force is quite close. But its a much better item.
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post May 11 2015, 13:20
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QUOTE(saltwatermelon @ May 11 2015, 11:10) *
I actually forgot that I have IA2. I'm thinking of putting Spirit Shield and Haste but what do you guys think?
What fighting style?

I'd put Spark in IA no matter what, that way you save a turn when Spark activates and you're in trouble and want to minimize turns spent so you can Cure/Fullcure/kill off most monsters. (Compare to other buffs, which aren't quite as critical to re-activate ASAP)

I also put Shadow Veil in IA (for mage) and Spirit Shield. They both have shorter durations (more turns saved via IA) and more average mana cost per turn (more mana saved via IA) than haste.
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post May 11 2015, 13:39
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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ May 11 2015, 03:57) *

A general question about Imperil - the impression I'm getting is that it shouldn't be used if at all possible, right? Otherwise, Spellspam can't be used easily, and it takes a significantly greater amount of time to manually pave over all mobs with Imperil before attacking. It might be more efficient in terms of mana cost and action speed per round, depending on difficulty, but not in terms of seconds required per round - does that sound right? Even for elemental, although they benefit more from Imperil than holy/dark.

But, I know lots of people are OK with playing on lower difficulty, for which Imperil is less useful, and thus don't recommend it - but I always want to play on PF or IWBTH. Is going without Imperil still a good choice for high-difficulty elemental?


Yes, Imperil is still a good choice for higher difficulties. I think it's just a matter of preference, really.

I Imperil everything on PFUDOR and all the non-schoolgirl arenas take me about 5 minutes or less to clear, usually at no more than 10 turns per round. (I think the average is 6 turns or something.) Trio and the Tree might take 6-ish minutes. *shrug*

The only time I use SpellSpam is when I'm fighting a system monster with over a million HP -- against these it's easier and faster to hold a key down and have SpellSpam automatically cycle through my spells. In all other cases, I use an HV Keybinds script to select my spells manually and I use the mouse to pick the targets. WASD + Mouse; FPS-style, I guess.

I don't think every monster requires Imperil, but when I'm trying to get through my arenas as quickly as possible, I don't want to take the mental steps to identify and maneuver Imperil around them. I think it's faster for me to just blanket everything with Imperil.

I can't vouch for how effective playing on high difficulties without Imperil is. Colman seems to be pretty successful at it, though. If you want to go in this direction then you'll need to figure out what the proper prof_factor for you is. Not using Imperil with a full-phase set won't really work well since mitigations and resists will destroy your damage.
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post May 11 2015, 13:46
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hello experts,

I want to salvage my equipment.

basic stats sucks so bad,

I have read the wiki, it will return 90% item used for upgrading.

I just want to make sure.

-bindings
-low/mid/high material

will be returned 90%

- catalysts

will be gone.

is this true ?
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post May 11 2015, 14:00
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QUOTE(xmagus @ May 11 2015, 19:15) *
Depends on what style you play. Haste is an automatic must, but as for the other slot? If you use SoL at all, that is the best spell in an IA slot. If not, then either SS or Shadow Veil are my personal preferences.



QUOTE(Superlatanium @ May 11 2015, 19:20) *
What fighting style?

I'd put Spark in IA no matter what, that way you save a turn when Spark activates and you're in trouble and want to minimize turns spent so you can Cure/Fullcure/kill off most monsters. (Compare to other buffs, which aren't quite as critical to re-activate ASAP)

I also put Shadow Veil in IA (for mage) and Spirit Shield. They both have shorter durations (more turns saved via IA) and more average mana cost per turn (more mana saved via IA) than haste.


I only play 1H for now because my mage stuff is shitty. I guess I'll go with Haste and SoL, thanks as always.
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is this true ?

yes
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post May 11 2015, 14:28
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QUOTE(nobody_xxx @ May 11 2015, 13:26) *

unless you want to donate some leg force shield to me (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wub.gif)

Only if I actually had one... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)

QUOTE(clarkiest @ May 11 2015, 15:23) *

can this staff serve me until about level 360 or maybe 380?

Other than PFUDOR and sometimes IWBTH, you should be alright even with that Staff (Only in Arena).

QUOTE(Superlatanium @ May 11 2015, 16:27) *

A general question about Imperil - the impression I'm getting is that it shouldn't be used if at all possible, right? Otherwise, Spellspam can't be used easily, and it takes a significantly greater amount of time to manually pave over all mobs with Imperil before attacking. It might be more efficient in terms of mana cost and action speed per round, depending on difficulty, but not in terms of seconds required per round - does that sound right? Even for elemental, although they benefit more from Imperil than holy/dark.

But, I know lots of people are OK with playing on lower difficulty, for which Imperil is less useful, and thus don't recommend it - but I always want to play on PF or IWBTH. Is going without Imperil still a good choice for high-difficulty elemental?

Whether to use Imperil or not totally depends. Do you want to play without paying much attention? You can omit Imperil then, but you'll have to contain yourself with a longer clear time, and you'll have to forget about PFUDOR. On the other hand, if you want to clear the rounds much faster on PFUDOR/IWBTH, Imperil is your best bet, but you'll have to pay attention about selecting targets for Imperil.

For PFUDOR, Imperil is super good. For IWBTH, there is a significant difference in SP potion's usage. So if you have a good ebough built, you may be fine without Imperil.

My preferred choice is Imperil, since I play mostly at PFUDOR. And it's faster than simply spaming offensive spells.

QUOTE(nobody_xxx @ May 11 2015, 16:34) *

wind mage is the most expensive in all elemental mage compare with fire , ice and lightning mage (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Fire is not that good right now.
Cold is Somewhat decent due it's super effectiveness against those very high number of Dragonkins lying around.
Wind is very good. It's a bit more safe than the other elements, and also very effective against those annoying Giants (and Dragnkins).
Elec is the fastest among all the elements since it can lower enemies resist. Also, it's super effective against those overpopulated Mechanoids.

QUOTE(n125 @ May 11 2015, 17:09) *

The only time I use SpellSpam is when I'm fighting a system monster with over a million HP -- against these it's easier and faster to hold a key down and have SpellSpam automatically cycle through my spells. In all other cases, I use an HV Keybinds script to select my spells manually and I use the mouse to pick the targets. WASD + Mouse; FPS-style, I guess.

Same case here. Keybind for Imperil + Spellspam for offensive spells. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

QUOTE(n125 @ May 11 2015, 17:09) *

I can't vouch for how effective playing on high difficulties without Imperil is. Colman seems to be pretty successful at it, though.

He has Peerless grade Proficiency-Staff. What else do you expect? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

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Not using Imperil with a full-phase set won't really work well since mitigations and resists will destroy your damage.

This I agree with 100%.
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