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just need less than 500 adb to reach 9000 base damage (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
I'm still waiting for 10 slaughter bindings since yesterday from shop (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)

you claim you're poor yet you're buying slaughters as if it was raining? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

btw, i'm close to 6k ADB, i guess i should hit it with the next level up. or a bunch of actuators (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)

you claim you're poor yet you're buying slaughters as if it was raining? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

btw, i'm close to 6k ADB, i guess i should hit it with the next level up. or a bunch of actuators (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)

In a sense he is "poor" because he has to keep buying expensive stuff (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

I don't know if there was a dominate weapon style at the time. I think I used DW, but I think anything ethereal and bleed was preferred.

Bleed? So PA came much later?

Soul was a novelty because it was prohibitively expensive to cast (You had to proc Soul Fire on a monster first and then cast a 200+ MP attack which didn't do particularly high damage) and there was never any phase for it. You could only boost its damage with Fox phase, and not very well at that. I did have a decent set at one point, but it was easily outmatched by normal phase sets. That was before forging too.

Nice piece of info. Thanks. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

One more thing, I hear that there were more than Tier-3 spells in the past?

I don't remember fire ever being popular by itself. I remember it always being used in conjunction with lightning. Back then we faced the same 30 or so monsters over and over, and lightning happened to offer favorable coverage. However, because Imperil didn't exist, if something was resistant to your damage type, you were at a significant disadvantage. So fire was a popular choice in those situations; if I remember correctly, what was resistant to lightning was often weak to or had average resistance against fire. Plus, the two are next to each other in the proc chain, so cycling between them to trigger explosions was also a popular strategy. Mages would often divide their phase between Mjolnir and Surtr - if they were rich enough to afford phase. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

An alternate approach was to wear proficiency gear. (This is what I did.) Back then proficiency contributed directly to your damage, about half as effectively as phase, I believe. You'd deal less damage but you had all of elements at your disposal.

Spell rotation? Ah, when I first became a mage, I was doing Holy/Dark spell rotation...Then I came to realize that it wasn't quite what I was expecting.

Anyway, so Monsters back then only had weakness to Elec and Fire? This sounds an awful lot like Diablo I (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) . What about other elemental resistances? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

An alternate approach was to wear proficiency gear. (This is what I did.) Back then proficiency contributed directly to your damage, about half as effectively as phase, I believe. You'd deal less damage but you had all of elements at your disposal.

Eh, so it's not gonna happen in the future (Proficiency for direct damage) because it was nerfed. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

This post has been edited by tetron: May 10 2015, 14:12

you claim you're poor yet you're buying slaughters as if it was raining? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

There is a word called "whining" you know. If someone like GC can whine of being "poor", why won't others do the same? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

you claim you're poor yet you're buying slaughters as if it was raining? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

btw, i'm close to 6k ADB, i guess i should hit it with the next level up. or a bunch of actuators (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)

I'm really poor now after switch from old power prot into full slaughter (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)

gears + upgrade reach around 24M (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif)
( need more bigger credits if I don't salvaged all my old power to get mats ) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/anime_cry.gif)

There is a word called "whining" you know. If someone like GC can whine of being "poor", why won't others do the same? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

check your MM (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

This post has been edited by nobody_xxx: May 10 2015, 14:21

Destruction Staff? What's the base MDB?

Muh Staff

Muh Staff

all this time I guess that you are holy mage , esoteric (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Muh Staff

My staff is not even in the muh range. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/anime_cry.gif)

gears + upgrade reach around 24M (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif)

You would have gotten a gold star with that much moola. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Muh Staff

Very high base MDB (Lmax), but very low base EDB (S-3.12)....
What do you play with that stuff? GF or Arena? If you play GF, it has one of the best Potency combo for that.
For Arena however, Archemage/Annihilator would be better.

My staff is not even in the muh range. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/anime_cry.gif)

Very high base MDB (Lmax), but very low base EDB (S-3.90)....
And why does it not have Eco Lv.5?

This post has been edited by tetron: May 10 2015, 14:53

Bleed? So PA came much later?

EID 1009 rapier had PA already, so i guess it was there from the start and BW was simply a bit better in the past. though a 57k EID estoc hadn't it.
other funny thing, scythes and chucks had BW from the start, while axes/daggers/shortswords/longswords hadn't and it was added only in the 50k range. not sure about wakis and katanas

One more thing, I hear that there were more than Tier-3 spells in the past?

pretty sure i saw some T4 spells on wiki, but i cannot find it anymore. surely there were the single-target and the AoE versions of various spells

Spell rotation? Ah, when I first became a mage, I was doing Holy/Dark spell rotation...Then I came to realize that it wasn't quite what I was expecting.

but exploiting the explode thing was the only way to deal a bit of damage before imperil was introduced, afaik

Anyway, so Monsters back then only had weakness to Elec and Fire? This sounds an awful lot like Diablo I (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) . What about other elemental resistances? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

obviously there were weaknesses like today. maybe he's only speaking about the most frequent ones, pretty much like today people is going after holy/dark strikes

There is a word called "whining" you know. If someone like GC can whine of being "poor", why won't others do the same? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

do you still listen to The Troll? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

This post has been edited by Scremaz: May 10 2015, 15:04

Very high base MDB (Lmax), but very low base EDB (S-3.90)....
And why does it not have Eco Lv.5?

No mood to grind for shards right now. And I am thinking of get a replacement.

EID 1009 rapier had PA already, so i guess it was there from the start and BW was simply a bit better in the past. though a 57k EID estoc hadn't it.
other funny thing, scythes and chucks had BW from the start, while axes/daggers/shortswords/longswords hadn't and it was added only in the 50k range. not sure about wakis and katanas

So Proc stats weren't inbuilt and had to Roll in order to exist in equipments? Interesting. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif)

pretty sure i saw some T4 spells on wiki, but i cannot find it anymore. surely there were the single-target and the AoE versions of various spells

Which Elements had T4 spells? All of them?

do you still listen to The Troll? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

Nope. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)

Which Elements had T4 spells? All of them?

Dark and soul.
There was a single target version and AoE version for each spell.
In addition, the AoE version give double damage to the primary target.
Melee do nor really have any use at that moment.

So Proc stats weren't inbuilt and had to Roll in order to exist in equipments? Interesting. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif)

dunno. it's more like some classes had a proc and some others did not have it as a whole, since staffs had that limitation as well. but the moment/EID in which those were added varied from class to class - sometimes around 20k, sometimes around 50k

Bleed? So PA came much later?

Actually Bleed, then Stun, then PA. PA used to not be very good, and Stun became OP at one point. Scythes and Maces used to be very popular, but now I doubt you could find a single 300+ player using them.

Dark and soul.
There was a single target version and AoE version for each spell.
In addition, the AoE version give double damage to the primary target.
Melee do nor really have any use at that moment.

Huh? Why would anyone even use Single target version if they have a AoE version?

dunno. it's more like some classes had a proc and some others did not have it as a whole, since staffs had that limitation as well. but the moment/EID in which those were added varied from class to class - sometimes around 20k, sometimes around 50k

I see.

Actually Bleed, then Stun, then PA. PA used to not be very good, and Stun became OP at one point. Scythes and Maces used to be very popular, but now I doubt you could find a single 300+ player using them.

I've heard about why Mace got nerfed. But why Scythe? If it was that popular, why was it taken out of the drop table? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

Huh? Why would anyone even use Single target version if they have a AoE version?

maybe because it was quite cheaper? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

I've heard about why Mace got nerfed. But why Scythe? If it was that popular, why was it taken out of the drop table? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

judging by the stats, they were some sort of longsword, with less accuracy and slightly more ADB. if you look at it, at some point tenobro removed some redundant classes (not only T2 ones), maybe while adjusting stats of the remnants: so for example daggers were removed because axes, shortswords and wakis already existed & too similar to shortswords; maybe it was the same with scythes (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

This post has been edited by Scremaz: May 10 2015, 16:07

I see.
I've heard about why Mace got nerfed. But why Scythe? If it was that popular, why was it taken out of the drop table? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

sycthe is popular weapon when normalfest is the most profitable in the past (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

tenb force us to grinding at higher difficulty by put limit and drop nerf in lower difficulty (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)


I still remember lement doing alot of normalfest in very low stamina condition (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

I see.
I've heard about why Mace got nerfed. But why Scythe? If it was that popular, why was it taken out of the drop table? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

Scythe = the current longsword.
When bleed was good, Scythe was prefer. When bleeding got nerfed to percentage base, Scythe can still used in normalfest with plate.
BTW, I have never used Scythe. It was too expensive for me at that time.