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Dude, I think I'm the original Wind mage. Literally no one used Wind until I acquired that staff. I could have gone with either Elec or Wind, and I explicitly picked Wind because no one used it. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif)

I wish people would jump off the bandwagon to something else so that I can buy some cheap upgrades. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)

Oh definitely; you predate me by almost a year, I think. When I switched, most mages were either still riding on Mjolnir's classical popularity, or were beginning to jump on the Holy/Dark bandwagon if they already hadn't by then.

Another small question from a newb. Do random encounters and "dawn of a new day" procs also occur at g.e-hentai in addition to e-hentai?

Another small question from a newb. Do random encounters and "dawn of a new day" procs also occur at g.e-hentai in addition to e-hentai?

yes (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

just open any gallery (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

yes (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

just open any gallery (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Thanks.. I meant the "other" gallery haha, looks like that one is censored here :/

Thanks.. I meant the "other" gallery haha, looks like that one is censored here :/

They do not trigger on the "other" site.

20M in 2011 was pretty crippling...

It still is. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Yes. It's how I get away with only using Mag gear.

Huh? That's a primary weapon even now? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

Also i have question about iw.
Should i reforge this one?
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=f96a95663f

Because i got archmage and it gives so small increase.

Yes. Archemage is not good except for Destruction. ANY other potency (Along with Eco L.5 of course) is better for a EDB-Staff.

I have one staff with eco+pen, but its doesnt looks so good.
This one:
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=98aa179dd6

Its a bit higher mdb, but almost same and it has only 70 holy (compare to 100 from first staff).

Ewww! Prefixless = Bad (imo)!

Oh definitely; you predate me by almost a year, I think. When I switched, most mages were either still riding on Mjolnir's classical popularity, or were beginning to jump on the Holy/Dark bandwagon if they already hadn't by then.

So Elec Mage was mainstream in the very beginning?

Thanks.. I meant the "other" gallery haha, looks like that one is censored here :/

Nhentai is not associated with E-Hentai in any way. It's a completely different organization. (heh, 'Organization' I said (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) )

@tetron

he mean ex not n (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)



maybe I should start hunting leg force shield too (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Nhentai is not associated with E-Hentai in any way. It's a completely different organization. (heh, 'Organization' I said (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) )

The user you are responding to is referring to a different site which is directly tied to E-h.

@tetron

he mean ex not n (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

HuH? Since when is Ex online again? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)
Last time I remember it was closed down!

HuH? Since when is Ex online again? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)
Last time I remember it was closed down!

he mean ex site of sad panda (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

I just realize that post ex site link or word will auto rewrite into g.e-hentai (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

This post has been edited by nobody_xxx: May 10 2015, 08:42

Huh? That's a primary weapon even now? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

I don't even have any other noteworthy weapons.

So Elec Mage was mainstream in the very beginning?

If you mean the very beginning, no one used mage. It was unplayable, and everyone used plate armor.

But once mage was viable, it was something like:

elec > fire > elec > dark > wind/holy

lots of changes to maging and phase armor prompted the shifts of course. I don't think Cold has ever been particularly popular. Ichy used it at one point, and that's all I can think of.

Ive decided to check resist mechanics on low diff.

358lvl, 411 prof, 0 counter resist.
0 ----- 78,7%
50% - 19%%
75% - 2,3%
90% - 0%

Same, but 757 prof.
0 ----- 87,8%
50% - 11,92%
75% - 0,28%
90% - 0%

763 prof, 19% counter-resist from staff.
0 ----- 91,5%
50% - 8,3%
75% - 0,2%
90% - 0%

Looks like thats not so important. With 10k strike we have average 8876, 9383, 9570. Its definitely not so bad, because difference between min and max is 7,8% and its not even full pen on staff, but at the same time we speak about 0-->1 prof factor. Mitigation reduction should be more important. Also probably there is a bit side effect. If mob resist than we spend more turns in some situations, but also we get something different and it should compensate.

I don't even have any other noteworthy weapons.

I find this hard to believe.

If you mean the very beginning, no one used mage. It was unplayable, and everyone used plate armor.

Interesting. With which weapon? I heard 1h wasn't viable at that time.

But once mage was viable, it was something like:

elec > fire > elec > dark > wind/holy

lots of changes to maging and phase armor prompted the shifts of course. I don't think Cold has ever been particularly popular. Ichy used it at one point, and that's all I can think of.

Even Fire was popular at a point? i see.

Oh, and what about Soul? Was it the least preferred mage element? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

Ive decided to check resist mechanics on low diff.

358lvl, 411 prof, 0 counter resist.
0 ----- 78,7%
50% - 19%%
75% - 2,3%
90% - 0%

Same, but 757 prof.
0 ----- 87,8%
50% - 11,92%
75% - 0,28%
90% - 0%

763 prof, 19% counter-resist from staff.
0 ----- 91,5%
50% - 8,3%
75% - 0,2%
90% - 0%

Interesting info. So only 2x prof build is not good enough by itself. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

but at the same time we speak about 0-->1 prof factor. Mitigation reduction should be more important.

Frankly speaking, I don't understand how the "Mitigation Reduction from Proficiency" works. I was unable to notice any visible results in my experience.

Looks like thats not so important. With 10k strike we have average 8876, 9383, 9570. Its definitely not so bad

Something to consider is that spells often hit most monsters at once, and can't focus directly on one. So even if average damage is similar, when there's a single 50%+ resist, that could easily mean one more turn you're forced to cast a spell in the round before the end. (A big factor when average turns per round is ~13 or less.) Also, high chaosed monsters of a particular type can resist a lot more than the average, at least that's what it seems like. Going from 79% 0-resist to 88% 0-resist could make double 50% resists 3 to 4 times less likely. (in my experience, those multiple 50% resists on a single tanky, high chaosed monster at the end of a round occur often enough to be quite annoying, and are a big factor in slowing down clear speed)

So average strike damage might only go from 8900 to 9400, but it could speed up turns / round by a significantly higher margin, even before considering prof mitigation reduction.

Im gonna test it a bit later. (prof_factor ^ 1.5) * 50 means its much better have very high prof.

0,3 - 8,2%
0,5 - 17,7%
0,7 - 29,3%
0,9 - 42,7%
1,0 - 50,0%

Even 0,9 gives 7,3% less (17% difference). But how important is that reduction. I tested not so long time ago 2 different builds (full phase and full prof) and they both quite close. The best was hybrid of both, so it should be better to use cloth (cheap repair also?). Probably i ll check exact numbers n the evening.

So average strike damage might only go from 8900 to 9400, but it could speed up turns / round by a significantly higher margin, even before considering prof mitigation reduction.

Yep. Thats why i said it can be in some situations. You can see i had 2,3% 75resist with low prof/0 counter. Maybe its lucky roll or someone with high upgrade. Also difference is 10% 50resist and it can mean up to 10% additional turns. But probably its much lower. High resist req high wis. Elemental, celestial. Both has not so high hp compare to someone like giant. I see some problem only with high res monster at the end of 8+ round. Because we hit only once with our 3rd tier spell.

But when i heard about 50%+ counter resist i thought its something very solid. In reality it has some effect, but much lower.

This post has been edited by nec1986: May 10 2015, 10:23

I find this hard to believe.
Interesting. With which weapon? I heard 1h wasn't viable at that time.

I don't know if there was a dominate weapon style at the time. I think I used DW, but I think anything ethereal and bleed was preferred.

Oh, and what about Soul? Was it the least preferred mage element? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

Soul was a novelty because it was prohibitively expensive to cast (You had to proc Soul Fire on a monster first and then cast a 200+ MP attack which didn't do particularly high damage) and there was never any phase for it. You could only boost its damage with Fox phase, and not very well at that. I did have a decent set at one point, but it was easily outmatched by normal phase sets. That was before forging too.

Soul was a novelty because it was prohibitively expensive to cast (You had to proc Soul Fire on a monster first and then cast a 200+ MP attack which didn't do particularly high damage) and there was never any phase for it. You could only boost its damage with Fox phase, and not very well at that. I did have a decent set at one point, but it was easily outmatched by normal phase sets. That was before forging too.

soul mages were a joke then. what about soul melee then?

Even Fire was popular at a point? i see.

I don't remember fire ever being popular by itself. I remember it always being used in conjunction with lightning. Back then we faced the same 30 or so monsters over and over, and lightning happened to offer favorable coverage. However, because Imperil didn't exist, if something was resistant to your damage type, you were at a significant disadvantage. So fire was a popular choice in those situations; if I remember correctly, what was resistant to lightning was often weak to or had average resistance against fire. Plus, the two are next to each other in the proc chain, so cycling between them to trigger explosions was also a popular strategy. Mages would often divide their phase between Mjolnir and Surtr - if they were rich enough to afford phase. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

An alternate approach was to wear proficiency gear. (This is what I did.) Back then proficiency contributed directly to your damage, about half as effectively as phase, I believe. You'd deal less damage but you had all of elements at your disposal.

Hello. Is there anyone who sponsor/sell gold star here?

Hello. Is there anyone who sponsor/sell gold star here?

just open WTB gold star thread in WTB sub forum (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)



just need less than 500 adb to reach 9000 base damage (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)


I'm still waiting for 10 slaughter bindings since yesterday from shop (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)

This post has been edited by nobody_xxx: May 10 2015, 13:48