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May 7 2015, 21:45
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n125
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QUOTE(hitokiri84 @ May 7 2015, 09:42)  There used to be a game before HV which we now refer to as "Legacy" mode. I used to play that.
Do you know how long Legacy HV was around before HV 0.1? I remember relying on legacy random encounters for porn money for a long time before I took a deeper interest in the game (never even saw that old Training page), by which point HV proper already existed and was in the 0.4.x series.
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May 7 2015, 21:58
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tetron
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ May 8 2015, 00:05)  not in the mood for riddles tbh
Alright, I was talking about Drksrpnt. QUOTE(Scremaz @ May 8 2015, 00:05)  ethereal of nimble, not slaughter (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) btw, do you plan to keep the mag one? I have a shit ton of Rapiers lying around in my Inventory for a while. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif) But as you know, I don't sell Equipments. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) I'll Auction some equipments off when my Inventory in nearly full. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) QUOTE(Scremaz @ May 8 2015, 00:05)  uhu. matter of tastes at this point. i'm still for earning unforge-able stats before, then worrying about the rest - in two words, i'm all days for a savage power of whatever if compared with the relative power of whatever with AGI. i could change my mind if you propose me at the same price a savage power of warding and an EMax power of slaughter with AGI though (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif) Yes, it's entirely the choice of the player. For example, I like the Power Armors of the begone era, which had resist, like this one (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) This post has been edited by tetron: May 7 2015, 22:00
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May 7 2015, 22:13
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Dead-ed
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Power armors got nerfed because they're op, lul
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May 7 2015, 22:50
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(tetron @ May 7 2015, 21:58)  Yes, it's entirely the choice of the player. For example, I like the Power Armors of the begone era, which had resist, like this one (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) interesting. i have a piece of every heavy armor with resist, but i still miss power ones. nice found. i guess i'll have to start another search though (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)
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May 7 2015, 22:55
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dosetsu
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QUOTE(hitokiri84 @ May 7 2015, 11:42)  Two more before that I think. One for sure, because the EDB roll range used to be lower (causing a lot of rage amongst mages since when the range was increased; it made everyone's gear obsolete.) There used to be a game before HV which we now refer to as "Legacy" mode. I used to play that. (IMG:[ i422.photobucket.com] http://i422.photobucket.com/albums/pp308/hitokiri84/ManBearPig1.png) (IMG:[ i422.photobucket.com] http://i422.photobucket.com/albums/pp308/hitokiri84/Mithra1.png) (IMG:[ i422.photobucket.com] http://i422.photobucket.com/albums/pp308/hitokiri84/Mithra2.png) Defeating bosses used to be an epic rare occurrence... Legacy was only Random Encounters with a basic ability point and training page in the control panel. Training looked like this then, and I was the only one who ever maxed everything (if you don't consider the impossible Atonement): (IMG:[ i422.photobucket.com] http://i422.photobucket.com/albums/pp308/hitokiri84/training.png) It was so hard to get credits back then. The only decent way was through uploading for GP, which was also much less than now (C/GP is comparable, but the site population has gone up exponentially.) This original training would only take a few days of grinding in HV... I think this screencap was from the very beginning of HV though, before the trainings were revamped. Pack Rat was added at the very start of HV IIRC. I think the only other person I still see around from those times is Tenseigamoon Sesshomaru Moon. Why does this seem so familiar?
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May 8 2015, 00:36
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hitokiri84
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QUOTE(n125 @ May 7 2015, 14:45)  Do you know how long Legacy HV was around before HV 0.1? I remember relying on legacy random encounters for porn money for a long time before I took a deeper interest in the game (never even saw that old Training page), by which point HV proper already existed and was in the 0.4.x series.
Don't know. It was there when I became active in 2008. I remember being registered waaay back in about 2003-2004, when I'm pretty sure the site had a different layout and no EHG (only the relic hentai-key part, which is still there BTW.) I hardly used it then but I don't remember see this game then. At some point my registration was flushed. QUOTE(miyake @ May 7 2015, 15:55)  Why does this seem so familiar?
QUOTE Joined: 23-November 07 Because you likely played it too. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) This post has been edited by hitokiri84: May 8 2015, 00:37
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May 8 2015, 02:21
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qw3rty67
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QUOTE(Colman @ May 7 2015, 01:23)  You first need to know which style can clear PFest. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) I thought Cats Lover did it with 1H a long time ago?
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May 8 2015, 02:32
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Superlatanium
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QUOTE(qw3rty67 @ May 8 2015, 00:21)  I thought Cats Lover did it with 1H a long time ago? Many with enough good gear + forge + levels can do PFest as 1h. It's pretty simple, apparently, provided you have enough funds. I'm doubtful 2h could do it - not enough defense. Anyone know if any top DW or niten players have tried it? Maging PFest is quite difficult. Even with near the best gear in the game and heavy forging and perks, one likely needs Spirit Theft and Weaken (in addition to level ~430+). Or so I've heard. ^^still, just because one style can do PFest doesn't mean it's necessarily the most profitable choice. It might be for 1h, but since mages are more fragile and can clear large numbers of monsters faster, they might just try doing something like Hell or Nintendofest.
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May 8 2015, 02:36
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mutsdhr
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QUOTE(qw3rty67 @ May 8 2015, 02:21)  I thought Cats Lover did it with 1H a long time ago?
Can i get.. this info too ^^ I mean i understand the (stop using Mana Pots & use Scrolls) Infusions @ Gear´s do wonders.. aside full forging Slaughter.. what would be maybe the most important ^^ all what is left.. is the credits you invest in this kind of runs right ?
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May 8 2015, 03:16
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erwtsnert
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QUOTE(Cats Lover @ Oct 5 2014, 12:15)  PFUDORfest takes 125~135 min for me as 1H melee with 1.8~2.2 turn / sec https://forums.e-hentai.org/index.php?s=&am...t&p=3361656A 405 level wind mage (maybe with fully-forged gears and spamming scrolls?) cleared PFUDORfest in 95-100 min. As previously mentioned. I can currently only get up to 600 rounds, but as said it really is easy playing. Cast Heartseeker+Regen, put the rest on IA, use gems as soon as they come up and blast enemies with the Pony cannon whenever you can. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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May 8 2015, 04:56
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nobody_xxx
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QUOTE(erwtsnert @ May 8 2015, 09:16)  As previously mentioned. I can currently only get up to 600 rounds, but as said it really is easy playing. Cast Heartseeker+Regen, put the rest on IA, use gems as soon as they come up and blast enemies with the Pony cannon whenever you can. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) it just bit tedious (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) Pony , build OC , Pony , build OC , spirit theft (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) @superlatanium Anybody can do PFUfest , but to clear it is a different thing (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)
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May 8 2015, 07:06
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tetron
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QUOTE(Dead-ed @ May 8 2015, 01:43)  Power armors got nerfed because they're op, lul
But Legendary grade still wasn't introduced when the Resist from Heavy Armor was taken out, or so I've heard. QUOTE(Scremaz @ May 8 2015, 02:20)  nice found.
Just so you know, it's from that list of mine. And I assure you, there are far better Power pieces from that era. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) QUOTE(Scremaz @ May 8 2015, 02:20)  i guess i'll have to start another search though (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) Best of luck. QUOTE(hitokiri84 @ May 8 2015, 04:06)  Don't know. It was there when I became active in 2008. I remember being registered waaay back in about 2003-2004, when I'm pretty sure the site had a different layout and no EHG (only the relic hentai-key part, which is still there BTW.) I hardly used it then but I don't remember see this game then. At some point my registration was flushed.
2003-2004?? Since how long have E-Hentai existed?? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) QUOTE(nobody_xxx @ May 8 2015, 08:26)  Pony , build OC , Pony , build OC , spirit theft (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) Speaking of which, did anyone finish PF-GF with FRD? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)
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May 8 2015, 07:20
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Dead-ed
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QUOTE(tetron @ May 7 2015, 22:06)  Speaking of which, did anyone finish PF-GF with FRD? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) for those who are interested, total stunlock is cozy @35+ speed at my level. The problem is clearing speed obviously. Wanna try, but need Owyn to modify the script that it prevents any action when there's no stun effects on mobs. (i said this for people who are interested with the script as well) This post has been edited by Dead-ed: May 8 2015, 07:24
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May 8 2015, 08:15
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(hitokiri84 @ May 8 2015, 00:36)  only the relic hentai-key part, which is still there BTW.
oh yeah, i remember it too. it was quite tedious iirc. only a bit of public galleries, otherwise hentaikey needed, right? QUOTE(tetron @ May 8 2015, 07:06)  But Legendary grade still wasn't introduced when the Resist from Heavy Armor was taken out, or so I've heard.
quite probably. the lowest-EID leg i own is in the 5M range, while heavy resist were in the 1M-2M range or so (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) QUOTE(tetron @ May 8 2015, 07:06)  Just so you know, it's from that list of mine. And I assure you, there are far better Power pieces from that era. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) need a list! (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)
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May 8 2015, 10:17
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mozilla browser
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QUOTE(Dead-ed @ May 8 2015, 13:20)  for those who are interested, total stunlock is cozy @35+ speed at my level. The problem is clearing speed obviously. Wanna try, but need Owyn to modify the script that it prevents any action when there's no stun effects on mobs. (i said this for people who are interested with the script as well)
Please say more? At +35% action speed, you can keep mobs in perpetual state of FRD stun? How does that work? Hmm, better haste gives action speed +50%. So an action that took 0.65 turns should now take 0.33 turns. And so your 10 round cooldown should be finished in 3.3 turns, before the mobs' 5 turn stun expires. Is that the gist of it? Interesting. Questions: - how do you make sure to accumulate 100 OC in those 10 turns since there will be no parry? - what does the Owyn script do here? - just how slow is this anyway? You can still use power, force shield, etc. But if the mobs are perma-stunned, maybe there's no need to use a shield and this can opt for more damage instead - best melee style for this? 2H + power? Edit: at PFUDOR difficulty, the mobs also have +25% haste. So the stun expires in 3.75 turns instead. Do all the mobs get a free attack upon coming out of stun? This post has been edited by mozilla browser: May 8 2015, 10:27
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May 8 2015, 12:17
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nec1986
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Is it possibly to predict forge price? There is no big problem with bindings, but type of catalyst and mig/high grade ratio?
This post has been edited by nec1986: May 8 2015, 12:19
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May 8 2015, 12:33
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Dead-ed
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QUOTE(mozilla browser @ May 8 2015, 01:17)  Please say more? At +35% action speed, you can keep mobs in perpetual state of FRD stun? How does that work?
Hmm, better haste gives action speed +50%. So an action that took 0.65 turns should now take 0.33 turns. And so your 10 round cooldown should be finished in 3.3 turns, before the mobs' 5 turn stun expires. Is that the gist of it? Interesting. Questions:
- how do you make sure to accumulate 100 OC in those 10 turns since there will be no parry?
- what does the Owyn script do here?
- just how slow is this anyway? You can still use power, force shield, etc. But if the mobs are perma-stunned, maybe there's no need to use a shield and this can opt for more damage instead
- best melee style for this? 2H + power? Edit: at PFUDOR difficulty, the mobs also have +25% haste. So the stun expires in 3.75 turns instead. Do all the mobs get a free attack upon coming out of stun?
i was wrong, make it 40+. i just tested it in re, 37ish speed with 5100 damage. (player-based turns). *hit 107 oc, used frd *skill cooldown @10 turns as usual *overcharged refilled @13th turns (107) *stun expired @14 turns, oc reached 116 8 mobs, starting with 0 oc, 45 turns (buffs included) This post has been edited by Dead-ed: May 8 2015, 12:50
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May 8 2015, 12:44
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nec1986
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Mobs ll hit after stun expiring. But i think main problem is damage. Its not mage who can hit hard. And compare to 1h it has no spirit stance at all and same way overwhelming (+15% attack damage) and also counters. Its aoe, but aoe sometimes not perfect. Some mobs can die or it can be round with 9 targets. At the same time 1h has stable 2.3x damage on solo target and decent amount of counters. And of course shield as decent defense.
UPD. And i also forgot about ofc. 1h has increasing charge even with stance, so instead we can use ofc for full insta clear.
This post has been edited by nec1986: May 8 2015, 12:45
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