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post May 7 2015, 17:12
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QUOTE(pcsbx @ May 7 2015, 15:00) *
Are random artefacts better sold or offered at low levels and low incomes?
Well, they're sold for 10k+ each. For players under level 200 who likely would be very happy to have even just 50k, you're probably better off selling them. (Artifact rewards, after shrining, are also somewhat more difficult to sell than the artifacts themselves - and you don't need the stat bonuses yet)
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post May 7 2015, 17:39
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QUOTE(nobody_xxx @ May 7 2015, 22:59) *

DW light vs 1H slaughter (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

I think 1H slaughter is better in PFU SG , scremaz (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

DW FB skill is very damaging but only if hit 1 target plus slower to build OC compare with 1H (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

I'm playing with DW since lvl 100 until retired in xmas 2013 , so I'm quite familiar with DW (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)
Heavy DW can deal more damage than light DW but consume more MP and get more hit from SGs (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)

While there no problem for end of days and eternal darkness arena , you will face that problem above for PFU DwD (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
You will need cast weaken/silence alot to reduce SP draining while DW light can stun and evade it (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

~ I'm comparing myself with T_starrk ( light DW ) in the past ~
I'm still poor (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/anime_cry.gif)

The problem will be solved if you mix some power slaughter in your set. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
The PMI have no meaning in SG arena. It will hit your SP pool anyway. Just kill faster and faster to lower your MP/SP consumption. If I remember correctly, you have a full set of old power of protection that do not have critical damage bonus. I think you better use power armor with critical damage bonus. The different is significant. I had switched all old power to new power immediately after the power armor got critical damage. Even an exq one is better than an old mag.
BTW, I only use that build for a short time. The rapier I used for that build already salvaged for credits (and become material of my current staff).

If I play as DW now, I will go for rapier + waki of nimble + Shade. This is the cheapest working build IMO. I only have shade of Fleet currently. No credits to get shadowdancer. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/anime_cry.gif)

Have already tested it (rapier/waki of nimble/shade), the killing speed is okay, not slower than 2H.

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post May 7 2015, 17:49
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QUOTE(Colman @ May 7 2015, 23:39) *

The problem will be solved if you mix some power slaughter in your set. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
The PMI have no meaning in SG arena. It will hit your SP pool anyway. Just kill faster and faster to lower your MP/SP consumption.
BTW, I only use that build for a short time. The rapier I used for that build already salvaged for credits (and become material of my current staff).

I don't use DW style anymore since my return , colman (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Already salvaged my mag eth axe and auction my mag hallow rapier in GC auction (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

It seems estoc prize will keep falling down (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
compare when I buy my estoc for 15M make me want to cry (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/anime_cry.gif)


I'm planning to make fullset slaughter soon (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wub.gif)
But the problem is I'm poor (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)

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post May 7 2015, 17:55
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QUOTE(nobody_xxx @ May 7 2015, 23:49) *

I don't use DW style anymore since my return , colman (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Already salvaged my mag eth axe and auction my mag hallow rapier in GC auction (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

It seems estoc prize will keep falling down (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
compare when I buy my estoc for 15M make me want to cry (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/anime_cry.gif)
I'm planning to make fullset slaughter soon (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wub.gif)

I won't buy anything that worth more than 1/10 of my account's total worth now. It is too risky. I still remember when the stun and melee nerfed (OC do not give extra damage and stunned opponent do not receive extra damage). My mace that cost all of my credits at that moment become useless. (all melee only have <1/3 damage right after the patch). And I left HV for more than a year.
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post May 7 2015, 18:00
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QUOTE(Colman @ May 7 2015, 23:55) *

I won't buy anything that worth more than 1/10 of my account's total worth now. It is too risky. I still remember when the stun and melee nerfed (OC do not give extra damage and stunned opponent do not receive extra damage). My mace that cost all of my credits at that moment become useless. (all melee only have <1/3 damage right after the patch). And I left HV for more than a year.

I cannot spend that much since I'm poor now (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)

I lost some damage when tenb nerf upgrade rate ratio (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

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post May 7 2015, 18:03
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QUOTE(nec1986 @ May 7 2015, 01:31) *

Thats mostly why im doing pf arenas. Its solid exp, tokens and some chance to get equip sometimes.

That reminds me: From Arena I get ~25 Tokens per full clear without any Tokenizer. Is that amount low, good or high? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

QUOTE(hitokiri84 @ May 7 2015, 04:01) *

staff, cap, robe, pants have MDB, EDB, INT, WIS maxed, evade almost maxed.
gloves, shoes ~34

phase are all Mag max roll on EDB with pretty good INT/WIS/Evade. Some are old and don't have AGI and/or Resist. One is really old and has DEX.

also have Golden Compasses

And no Imperil. I only play GF as high as I can without Imperil, because it would be a waste of time otherwise.

I see. Makes sense.

P.S. I still prefer Imperil-Mage. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

QUOTE(n125 @ May 7 2015, 04:42) *

Making account-bound peerless actually have a realistic chance of dropping with a 100+ round quality bonus would actually make me play Grindfest. I like that idea.

Not happening. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

QUOTE(nobody_xxx @ May 7 2015, 09:12) *

go for club + rapier (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

A veteran DW user from the era of you people is still using that combo. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

QUOTE(Colman @ May 7 2015, 10:44) *

Tried all 3.

1 and 2 require a balance rapier with forged accuracy (100% offhand chance) to reach the killing speed speed of 3.
It is because 1 & 2 have to rely on offhand strike to infect PA. And low parry/speed require much more healing.

Mainhand rapier give a very high chance of PA; offhand waki of nimble give very high parry, and some attack speed bonus. Making the most balanced setup.
This build do not really need a rapier of slaughter on main hand. A rapier of balance will do. The overall speed is more or less the same.
When defense is no longer an issue, you can also switch to waki of balance for higher offhand chance.
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Of course, you may still go for 1 & 2 in late game. When forging cost is not an issue.

Go for Nimble-Rapier + Nimble-Waki with Full Shade-Negation, and you're nearly as safe as 1H-Power. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

QUOTE(mozilla browser @ May 7 2015, 17:23) *

What kind of realistic chance are you looking for?

Eh? There's a "realistic chance" somewhere is this game? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

QUOTE(nobody_xxx @ May 7 2015, 18:40) *

I really wish to get peerless drop to make me escape from this poverty (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/anime_cry.gif)

I want to help you. Sell me your last Leg Holy Phase drop to me. I'll pay you 50k, you'll be richer. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
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post May 7 2015, 18:09
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QUOTE(tetron @ May 8 2015, 00:03) *

That reminds me: From Arena I get ~25 Tokens per full clear without any Tokenizer. Is that amount low, good or high? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)
I see. Makes sense.

P.S. I still prefer Imperil-Mage. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
Not happening. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
A veteran DW user from the era of you people is still using that combo. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
Go for Nimble-Rapier Nimble-Waki with Full Shade-Negation, and you're nearly as safe as 1H-Power. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
Eh? There's a "realistic chance" somewhere is this game? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
I want to help you. Sell me your last Leg Holy Phase drop to me. I'll pay you 50k, you'll be richer. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

that good enough (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
In distant past , some players can get 60 chaos tokens everyday (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif)


T_starrk is retired from HV since his lvl is below me (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Increase your bid alot more (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
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post May 7 2015, 18:16
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WHERE DO I GO TO EXCHANGE CREDITS FOR GP OR HATHS? IS IT ON THE HOME PAGE SOME WHERE BECAUSE I CANT FIND IT. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)
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post May 7 2015, 18:17
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WHERE DO I GO TO EXCHANGE CREDITS FOR GP OR HATHS? IS IT ON THE HOME PAGE SOME WHERE BECAUSE I CANT FIND IT. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

https://e-hentai.org/home.php
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post May 7 2015, 18:26
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QUOTE(nobody_xxx @ May 7 2015, 18:00) *

I cannot spend that much since I'm poor now (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)

never considered to put it directly in your sig? you would save a bit of time this way...

QUOTE(tetron @ May 7 2015, 18:03) *

A veteran DW user from the era of you people is still using that combo. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

really? who's this one? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)
the only one i can think about who is using that set is brewdonkey...

QUOTE(tetron @ May 7 2015, 18:03) *

Go for Nimble-Rapier + Nimble-Waki with Full Shade-Negation, and you're nearly as safe as 1H-Power.

really? (x2)
already tried?
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post May 7 2015, 18:33
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never considered to put it directly in your sig? you would save a bit of time this way...
really? who's this one? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)
the only one i can think about who is using that set is brewdonkey...
really? (x2)
already tried?

maybe (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
I already put poor kupo knight below my avatar (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)
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post May 7 2015, 18:41
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QUOTE(nobody_xxx @ May 7 2015, 21:39) *

In distant past , some players can get 60 chaos tokens everyday (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif)

Now I'm jelly. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)

QUOTE(nobody_xxx @ May 7 2015, 21:39) *

T_starrk is retired from HV since his lvl is below me (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

I'm not talking about him. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

QUOTE(nobody_xxx @ May 7 2015, 21:39) *

Increase your bid alot more (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

More? Okay. 51k it is. So, do we have a deal? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)

QUOTE(Scremaz @ May 7 2015, 21:56) *

really? who's this one? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)
the only one i can think about who is using that set is brewdonkey...

The one I'm talking about has his name in one of the "Toplist of all time" category. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

QUOTE(Scremaz @ May 7 2015, 21:56) *

really? (x2)
already tried?

Yep. Tried and Tested successfully. But there's a catch. Good Nimble-Rapiers are very very rare. Most of the time the Parry roll of a Nimble-Rapier turns out to be crap.
Good choices should be like these:
Medium Good: Magnificent Ethereal Rapier of the Nimble
Very Good: Legendary Ethereal Rapier of the Nimble
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post May 7 2015, 18:42
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ May 7 2015, 07:08) *

phase with no AGI, no CR and no DEX? how many generations of phase were there then? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

Two more before that I think. One for sure, because the EDB roll range used to be lower (causing a lot of rage amongst mages since when the range was increased; it made everyone's gear obsolete.)
QUOTE(nobody_xxx @ May 7 2015, 08:10) *
I think hito already playing HV when first patch release (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

There used to be a game before HV which we now refer to as "Legacy" mode. I used to play that.

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Defeating bosses used to be an epic rare occurrence... Legacy was only Random Encounters with a basic ability point and training page in the control panel. Training looked like this then, and I was the only one who ever maxed everything (if you don't consider the impossible Atonement):

(IMG:[i422.photobucket.com] http://i422.photobucket.com/albums/pp308/hitokiri84/training.png)

It was so hard to get credits back then. The only decent way was through uploading for GP, which was also much less than now (C/GP is comparable, but the site population has gone up exponentially.) This original training would only take a few days of grinding in HV... I think this screencap was from the very beginning of HV though, before the trainings were revamped. Pack Rat was added at the very start of HV IIRC.

I think the only other person I still see around from those times is Tenseigamoon Sesshomaru Moon.

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post May 7 2015, 18:51
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Anybody is willing to sell old mag power? Interested in agility.
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post May 7 2015, 19:03
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QUOTE(tetron @ May 7 2015, 09:41) *

I'm not talking about him. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

in case if you find people who talk almost out of context, they usually give background statement that support their main idea.
He said about an example.
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post May 7 2015, 19:10
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QUOTE(hitokiri84 @ May 7 2015, 22:12) *

There used to be a game before HV which we now refer to as "Legacy" mode. I used to play that.

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Defeating bosses used to be an epic rare occurrence... Legacy was only Random Encounters with a basic ability point and training page in the control panel. Training looked like this then, and I was the only one who ever maxed everything (if you don't consider the impossible Atonement):

(IMG:[i422.photobucket.com] http://i422.photobucket.com/albums/pp308/hitokiri84/training.png)

It was so hard to get credits back then. The only decent way was through uploading for GP, which was also much less than now (C/GP is comparable, but the site population has gone up exponentially.) This original training would only take a few days of grinding in HV... I think this screencap was from the very beginning of HV though, before the trainings were revamped. Pack Rat was added at the very start of HV IIRC.

WOW! THIS INFORMATION IS GOLD!! THANKS DUDE!!! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wub.gif) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wub.gif) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wub.gif)
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post May 7 2015, 19:36
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QUOTE(tetron @ May 7 2015, 18:41) *

More? Okay. 51k it is. So, do we have a deal? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)

i guess my bid will make his knees tremble. 52k! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)

QUOTE(tetron @ May 7 2015, 18:41) *

The one I'm talking about has his name in one of the "Toplist of all time" category. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

jenga? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

QUOTE(tetron @ May 7 2015, 18:41) *

Yep. Tried and Tested successfully. But there's a catch. Good Nimble-Rapiers are very very rare. Most of the time the Parry roll of a Nimble-Rapier turns out to be crap.
Good choices should be like these:
Medium Good: Magnificent Ethereal Rapier of the Nimble
Very Good: Legendary Ethereal Rapier of the Nimble

and when parry is good, PA stats turn out to be crap (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

QUOTE(Dead-ed @ May 7 2015, 18:51) *

Anybody is willing to sell old mag power? Interested in agility.

not selling, but i may loan you this one. as you can see, AGI means no crit damage, and i guess no savage prefix as well. you can choose, a few SP points more or a few crit more? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif)
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ May 7 2015, 23:06) *

i guess my bid will make his knees tremble. 52k! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)

I give up. It's yours. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)

QUOTE(Scremaz @ May 7 2015, 23:06) *

jenga? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

Keep trying. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

QUOTE(Scremaz @ May 7 2015, 23:06) *

and when parry is good, PA stats turn out to be crap (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

Well, we can't be THAT picky, can we? Especially when it's Leg + Ethereal? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

And besides that, Proc also depends on Crit Chance, which is the specialty of DW.

QUOTE(Scremaz @ May 7 2015, 23:06) *

as you can see, AGI means no crit damage, and i guess no savage prefix as well. you can choose, a few SP points more or a few crit more? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif)

AGI also increases PMI. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
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post May 7 2015, 20:25
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ May 7 2015, 10:36) *

not selling, but i may loan you this one. as you can see, AGI means no crit damage, and i guess no savage prefix as well. you can choose, a few SP points more or a few crit more? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif)

thanks but no. I feel uneasy in borrowing important equips (afraid of oops-bazaaring) & when i'm inactive (currently) it's pointless. Better to have full ownership so they're ready in need.
I appreciate speed than crit damage because sws is the only pa source (&stun/emergency defense via frd), to increase turns in those. Slightly lesser damage with more pa turns is better than hard hitting in lesser duration because the prior gives more oc to chain.
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The most important: i forgot to say slaughter/protection only please.
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QUOTE(tetron @ May 7 2015, 20:00) *

Keep trying. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

not in the mood for riddles tbh

QUOTE(tetron @ May 7 2015, 20:00) *

Well, we can't be THAT picky, can we? Especially when it's Leg + Ethereal? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

ethereal of nimble, not slaughter (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) btw, do you plan to keep the mag one?

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AGI also increases PMI. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

uhu. matter of tastes at this point. i'm still for earning unforge-able stats before, then worrying about the rest - in two words, i'm all days for a savage power of whatever if compared with the relative power of whatever with AGI. i could change my mind if you propose me at the same price a savage power of warding and an EMax power of slaughter with AGI though (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)
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