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I managed to scrounge together a One-handed set, but just as I was about start clearing PFUDOR Grindfest, I realized that I don't have any melee abilities. Are the three Heavy Armor specific mitigation abilities absolutely necessary? It's a lot of AP all together.

Only if you're planning to do grindfest. Otherwise they don't really matter, especially if you already have a good shield

btw i have wind, holy and 1H slotted atm. Only 370 into training

This post has been edited by holy_demon: May 5 2015, 11:39

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I managed to scrounge together a One-handed set, but just as I was about start clearing PFUDOR Grindfest, I realized that I don't have any melee abilities. Are the three Heavy Armor specific mitigation abilities absolutely necessary? It's a lot of AP all together.

crushing is nice to have because heavy armors lack it.
piercing as well, since there are many mobs that use that attack. though heavies don't have many problems, so you can leave it a little behind.
slashing isn't very common, but throw it in a bit since it's cheap

tl;dr: personally i use: crushing 3/3; piercing 2/3; slashing 1/3 and - at least stat-wise - i think it's the optimal condition

I start to be able to answer riddlemaster without looking at the chart.
am I slowly turning into a bad person?

anyway, when should I start upgrading my equipment / doing IW instead of just steamrolling for experience? around what level?

I start to be able to answer riddlemaster without looking at the chart.
am I slowly turning into a bad person?

very, very bad. or at least hopeless. very soon, all your base time are belong to this site (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif)

anyway, when should I start upgrading my equipment / doing IW instead of just steamrolling for experience? around what level?

well, forging the first 5 levels is pretty much always doable, especially if it doesn't require special components/expensive HG. in this case, you should look at the quality: ie, a EMax with very good rolls/MMax force shield is almost surely upgradable, while a SMax not because otherwise matrixes would be too expensive and ROI (Return On Investment) too low. even worse for phase, given the very high price of phazons.
as for melee weapons, go for the first 5 levels without a doubt, LG/MG materials are quite cheap; even HG metal may still bearable - however you surely won't meet them before lv6, so worry not
as for staffs, well - HG wood is quite expensive and i don't know too much of them tbh, so better to wait for a mage expert (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

as for IW, you shouldn't consider it seriously unless you're able to do it at high difficulty (at least BT), otherwise you'd use too much time - without even considering shards should you want to reset it. i guess somewhere between lv250~300 or so.
just to give you an example, personally i'd surely IW an Exq+ rapier/club, for example. surely not a longsword

Compare to the past , HG mats is very cheap now (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)

very, very bad. or at least hopeless. very soon, all your base time are belong to this site (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif)

It seems I really need to visit a psychiatrist then?

well, forging the first 5 levels is pretty much always doable, especially if it doesn't require special components/expensive HG. in this case, you should look at the quality: ie, a EMax with very good rolls/MMax force shield is almost surely upgradable, while a SMax not because otherwise matrixes would be too expensive and ROI (Return On Investment) too low. even worse for phase, given the very high price of phazons.
as for melee weapons, go for the first 5 levels without a doubt, LG/MG materials are quite cheap; even HG metal may still bearable - however you surely won't meet them before lv6, so worry not
as for staffs, well - HG wood is quite expensive and i don't know too much of them tbh, so better to wait for a mage expert (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

as for IW, you shouldn't consider it seriously unless you're able to do it at high difficulty (at least BT), otherwise you'd use too much time - without even considering shards should you want to reset it. i guess somewhere between lv250~300 or so.
just to give you an example, personally i'd surely IW an Exq+ rapier/club, for example. surely not a longsword

I could only do ~40 round of Hell IW at the momment, with some struggle.
well aiming for lvl 250 first then...

Compare to the past , HG mats is very cheap now (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)

but I'm poor so those mats are still expensive for me (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)

It seems I really need to visit a psychiatrist then?

at your own discretion. but first try with some daily boobies, it's surely cheaper (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

I could only do ~40 round of Hell IW at the momment, with some struggle.
well aiming for lvl 250 first then...

yup. don't bother with IW then

but I'm poor so those mats are still expensive for me (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)

i forgot it, there's also the catalysts fee: i guess the tier of catalysts is another criteria then. when they are low-tier (diluted? regular? it depends on your budget (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) ) go for forging, otherwise wait. also, apart from ROI there are some stats that are important and other not: for example, ADB and parry on a rapier of slaughter for 1H use are quite interesting to forge. while you can surely forget about ADB oon an offhand weapon for DW use.

Compare to the past , HG mats is very cheap now (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)

true. but forging a leg shield past lv6 is still quite expensive (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

This post has been edited by Scremaz: May 5 2015, 17:09

true. but forging a leg shield past lv6 is still quite expensive (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

last time I sold 100+ HG leathers to bazaar and nobody buy it (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/anime_cry.gif)

well , I'm still using my kite shield because I don't like spending DMM with force shield (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

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last time I sold 100+ HG leathers to bazaar and nobody buy it (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/anime_cry.gif)

well , I'm still using my kite shield because I don't like spending DMM with force shield (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

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I sold a few k of HG leather in WTB.
The price is not much higher than bazaar value. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

last time I sold 100+ HG leathers to bazaar and nobody buy it (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/anime_cry.gif)

because nowadays nobody is using leather/shade. furthermore, most of mag/leg drops seems to be leather, so i guess everyone has plenty of them for self-use (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)
even at auctions a batch of 1k HG leather won't sell for something in between 500k~1M, so market price of HG leather is around 1k...

well , I'm still using my kite shield because I don't like spending DMM with force shield (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

one matrix is valued 35~40k per level (fixed cost)
forging every stat of a leg force shield from lv5 to 6 requires 1 robust catalyst (2.5k), 5MG (~500c) and 1HG (~7k) per stat, thus 12k per stat. multiply it by the number of stats (let's say 7?) and you will have 80k per level >5.
at level 8, 2HG are required, for 50k more - total 130k per level
level 17, 4HG required and vibrant catalysts (5k each) - total 240k per level (sorry, no intermediate values. ask cats lover for step-by-step (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) )
as you can see, in the long run matrix costs are almost negligible (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
also, a leg kite shield offers a block chance similar to an exq force one, and it's way rarer. i don't really think buying/forging a LMax kite shield to a block chance comparable to a 15-level MMax force is cheaper...

It seems I really need to visit a psychiatrist then?
I could only do ~40 round of Hell IW at the momment, with some struggle.
well aiming for lvl 250 first then...
but I'm poor so those mats are still expensive for me (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)

well , I'm poor too so I cann't upgrade my shield further more (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)

I sold a few k of HG leather in WTB.
The price is not much higher than bazaar value. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

better than nothing (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

because nowadays nobody is using leather/shade. furthermore, most of mag/leg drops seems to be leather, so i guess everyone has plenty of them for self-use (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)
even at auctions a batch of 1k HG leather won't sell for something in between 500k~1M, so market price of HG leather is around 1k...
one matrix is valued 35~40k per level (fixed cost)
forging every stat of a leg force shield from lv5 to 6 requires 1 robust catalyst (2.5k), 5MG (~500c) and 1HG (~7k) per stat, thus 12k per stat. multiply it by the number of stats (let's say 7?) and you will have 80k per level >5.
at level 8, 2HG are required, for 50k more - total 130k per level
level 17, 4HG required and vibrant catalysts (5k each) - total 240k per level (sorry, no intermediate values. ask cats lover for step-by-step (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) )
as you can see, in the long run matrix costs are almost negligible (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
also, a leg kite shield offers a block chance similar to an exq force one, and it's way rarer. i don't really think buying/forging a LMax kite shield to a block chance comparable to a 15-level MMax force is cheaper...

I'm using leg agile kite shield but forget what base block stats before upgrade it (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

This post has been edited by nobody_xxx: May 5 2015, 18:18

I noticed some bad mojo being sent towards clubs earlier and although I must agree that rapier is a better choice by far, I find there are some encounters where a club is just a lot better as a life saver, regardless of the free attack when monsters break out of stun. These are typically IWTBH and PFUDOR random encounters and Ring of Blood. In my book, when 10 monsters spawn and it only takes two or three to send me to my grave - stun > PA/parry because it allows me to 'play the line' up and down, keeping them all stunned until overcharge and full prot/buff list can make me invulnerable. For Ring of Blood it sure takes a while to kill anything with a club on higher difficulty, but the monsters don't care much since they are either stunned or sleeping, and that works nicely for me.

This could of course just be an expression of my shite skill, and lack of knowledge (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) So, have anyone else noticed this, or are taking advantage of a similar approach?

This post has been edited by trutta: May 5 2015, 19:56

I'm using leg agile kite shield but forget what base block stats before upgrade it (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

try equipment comparison, 'T' key (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

I noticed some bad mojo being sent towards clubs earlier and although I must agree that rapier is a better choice by far, I find there are some encounters where a club is just a lot better as a life saver, regardless of the free attack when monsters break out of stun. These are typically IWTBH and PFUDOR random encounters and Ring of Blood. In my book, when 10 monsters spawn and it only takes two or three to send me to my grave - stun > PA/parry because it allows me to 'play the line' up and down, keeping them all stunned until overcharge and full prot/buff list can make me invulnerable. For Ring of Blood it sure takes a while to kill anything with a club on higher difficulty, but the monsters don't care much since they are either stunned or sleeping, and that works nicely for me.

This could of course just be an expression of my shite skill, and lack of knowledge (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) So, have anyone else noticed this, or are taking advantage of a similar approach?

i guess it's only an impression. i mean, surely a bonus stun hit is quite nice to have at the start but as you go on the lack of PA is really penalizing, turns-wise.
just wondering - assuming you're going 1H - your shield and prof?

This post has been edited by Scremaz: May 5 2015, 19:59

i guess it's only an impression. i mean, surely a bonus stun hit is quite nice to have at the start but as you go on the lack of PA is really penalizing, turns-wise.
just wondering - assuming you're going 1H - your shield and prof?

I need to upgrade alot of my equipment, just using 'best find' until I can get my stuff upgraded/sorted. Oh yeah, I'm using shade until I can get some decent heavies.

shield thingie

Currently switching between Rapier and Club

With rapier


And with club



Sorry about the length of this, and on that note - are there any code/features available to hide stuff in *spoiler* link that expand when clicked? It would be very neat to be able to hide those two huge pictures in something like that.

This post has been edited by trutta: May 5 2015, 20:50

yeh, there's the spoiler tag

Spoiler text - Highlight to read...

take a look at a quote of my message to understand its sintax, if needed

however, prof is good. a set of power of whatever would be preferrable (and cheap!), but the main thing is about the weapon: both are terrible - probably you are losing something like 1k ADB between weapon and armors. shield isn't all that good but still bearable. only, don't waste your credits forging it

I need to upgrade alot of my equipment, just using 'best find' until I can get my stuff upgraded/sorted. Oh yeah, I'm using shade until I can get some decent heavies.

shield thingie

Currently switching between Rapier and Club

With rapier
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And with club
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Sorry about the length of this, and on that note - are there any code/features available to hide stuff in *spoiler* link that expand when clicked? It would be very neat to be able to hide those two huge pictures in something like that.

what surprise me is your browser (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

usually people playing HV with iron , chrome or FF (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)


btw , club is better for DW (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

what surprise me is your browser (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

usually people playing HV with iron , chrome or FF (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
btw , club is better for DW (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

i noted the ms-dos and procexplorer icons on the quickbar, but not the browser. which was?

crushing is nice to have because heavy armors lack it.
piercing as well, since there are many mobs that use that attack. though heavies don't have many problems, so you can leave it a little behind.
slashing isn't very common, but throw it in a bit since it's cheap

tl;dr: personally i use: crushing 3/3; piercing 2/3; slashing 1/3 and - at least stat-wise - i think it's the optimal condition

Why not just 3/3 3/3 3/3? Especially if one is doing grindfest, every bit of defense is nice, even if it's not absolutely essential. AP is cheap.

This could of course just be an expression of my shite skill, and lack of knowledge (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) So, have anyone else noticed this, or are taking advantage of a similar approach?

If you're using 1h, which you should if you're trying to play efficiently, most monsters will be stunned most of the time anyway without using a club. So you might as well use a rapier instead. Especially for Ring of Blood, using a non-rapier will probably double or triple the time required - that's not worth it, especially since you should never die in Ring of Blood anyway since you can use as many potions as you want.

Sorry about the length of this

Just resize/crop and you'll still have all the relative information at 1/4th the obnoxious size...?

You can get a better shield with base Emax block much more cheaply than forging your existing shield to Emax block. So I wouldn't forge existing shield any more.

Mainhand weapon should always be Slaughter. The reduction in clear speed for Nimble isn't worth it. (Also, weapon damage isn't even close to Smax ADB after forging to 5 - that's pretty crappy (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

Aha, crop ftw.
Yes I am aware that they aren't quite optimal, like I said it's just stuff I picked up on bazaar or got in loot - thank you though for the spoiler tip and other help. I should spend some credit soon, but it's meh - it would make this game too serious for me, and then I'd become too conscious of the fact that I probably need therapy (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

edit: Opera, quite alright browser, I like it alot - it doesn't carry memory leaks/bloat like FF does.

This post has been edited by trutta: May 5 2015, 20:59

Why not just 3/3 3/3 3/3? Especially if one is doing grindfest, every bit of defense is nice, even if it's not absolutely essential. AP is cheap.

i guess so. i tend to think from a non-GF point of view, since i don't do it. also, credits apart i don't really see a point to increase slashing mit for arenas (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)