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post Apr 21 2015, 00:18
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QUOTE(kaikwb @ Apr 20 2015, 21:59) *
Can anyone tell me what I should do to get hold greater difficulty, Hell is the greatest difficulty that I can play in the Arena.
Fighting style is much more important than stat distribution. At your level, you need more defense. This most easily comes from switching to 1h. (I assume you're using DW / light armor right now) For non-1h to be able to fight on high difficulty, the player needs quite a high level (for level scaling and abilities to provide more innate defense), usually as well as Shade armor with good evade.

For 1h to work best on high difficulty, you need a rapier as well, since none of the other weapon procs come close to the effectiveness of PA. Look for an exquisite prefixed Rapier of Slaughter with 3 PABs, decent weapon damage, and not-too-terrible PA chance.

You'll probably find that 1h + light armor is giving you more than enough defense, and has very low attack power. To make up for this, switch to Heavy armor with 3 or 4 Power Slaughter and 1 or 2 (Shielding) Plate of Protection. Power Slaughter heavy armor will drastically increase your damage.
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I own several Superior and Exquisite equipment that does not use, which is a good destination for them?
Unless it's Exquisite+ Power Slaughter or Rapier of Slaughter, it's unlikely to be worth the trouble of trying to sell it. Best to Bazaar everything.

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post Apr 21 2015, 00:39
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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Apr 20 2015, 19:18) *

Fighting style is much more important than stat distribution. At your level, you need more defense. This most easily comes from switching to 1h. (I assume you're using DW / light armor right now) For non-1h to be able to fight on high difficulty, the player needs quite a high level (for level scaling and abilities to provide more innate defense), usually as well as Shade armor with good evade.

For 1h to work best on high difficulty, you need a rapier as well, since none of the other weapon procs come close to the effectiveness of PA. Look for an exquisite prefixed Rapier of Slaughter with 3 PABs, decent weapon damage, and not-too-terrible PA chance.

You'll probably find that 1h + light armor is giving you more than enough defense, and has very low attack power. To make up for this, switch to Heavy armor with 3 or 4 Power Slaughter and 1 or 2 (Shielding) Plate of Protection. Power Slaughter heavy armor will drastically increase your damage.Unless it's Exquisite+ Power Slaughter or Rapier of Slaughter, it's unlikely to be worth the trouble of trying to sell it. Best to Bazaar everything.


Thank you very much for your help, I will try 1H + Heavy Armor, has some status that I should change and focus on this new style? Bazaar is the Equipament Shop or the topic WTS? Another question is there any easier way to get credits or the best way and complete the Arenas?

Thank you.
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post Apr 21 2015, 00:44
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QUOTE(kaikwb @ Apr 20 2015, 22:39) *
Thank you very much for your help, I will try 1H + Heavy Armor, has some status that I should change and focus on this new style? Bazaar is the Equipament Shop or the topic WTS? Another question is there any easier way to get credits or the best way and complete the Arenas?
Well, heavy armor has a lot of burden, so you don't get much attack speed bonus from bonus agility, so agility points can drop to a level just above Intel.

Yes, Bazaar is equipment shop. There is a big button that says "Bazaar". (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Daily non-schoolgirl arenas on page 2 on as high a difficulty you can manage is the best way to earn credits quickly. Once you level up a little bit more and gain 1h/heavy proficiency, you should be able to do IWBTH or PFUDOR on all of them without much trouble.
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post Apr 21 2015, 00:47
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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Apr 20 2015, 11:20) *

Say I want to be able to play PF DwD as dark or holy mage, since I really want to play it but melee takes way too long. What sort of gear would I need? I'd think 5 phase would be the best because Imperil will be used, but then what? Think Mmax EDB + 5 forge on each would be enough firepower? I'm hoping damage perks aren't essential.

Then there's staff... as holy, I'd guess H Katalox Destruction staff would be best because there's already enough EDB, though it'd be quite pricey. Holy also has Ether Theft, which would be a great way to avoid tapping - so I'm more tempted to Holy, even though Dark would be cheaper.

I still need to get to 400 for T3 CD ability to make things most efficient, but hopefully that's not too far off.

What do you guys think?


Damage-wise you'll be fine. MagNet on the schoolgirls is also extremely useful, like tetron wrote. Survivability-wise, if you can handle the non-schoolgirl arenas on PFUDOR then you should have an idea of what to expect. I recommend taking it slow for the first couple of runs to get a feel of how much you need to Ether Tap/Theft versus how many potions you need to use.

For the sake of comparison, I was clearing PFUDOR DwD in my 360s using unforged (albeit legendary) wind equipment. I can't remember which damage perks I had, but it wasn't more than DD1 for sure. The first few damage perks are overrated anyway.

If you already have the phase but are missing the staff, then maybe you could find someone to lend you one before committing?
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post Apr 21 2015, 01:06
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Someone tried rapier of nimble? It has quite lower adb, but at the same time with forge for me its near 38% parry (near 65% total parry). Quite solid amount.

Im just thinking about changing my exq rapier, but good one cost huge amount. Something with good proc/parry already expensive.

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post Apr 21 2015, 02:12
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QUOTE(tetron @ Apr 21 2015, 01:18) *

P Mace of Vampire? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)
Guessed so.
Nice. I'm also building a Dark set as a possible counter measure for patch 0.82, but it's not done yet. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool2.gif)
That's your primary weapon right now? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)
So somebody do use that thing nowadays. I was under the impression that it's become abandoned already. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
Seeing how it's price has dropped a lot, why not try for yourself? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

no , I using thisrapier now as main weapon (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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post Apr 21 2015, 02:34
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QUOTE(nobody_xxx @ Apr 20 2015, 22:49) *

30-40 lvl forge per armor pieces (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
END around 20-30 lvl per pieces (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

dark , nearly complete it (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

just waiting for lvl 400 first before begin mage path (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

maybe next year due to need alot of exp to reach lvl 400 + I don't grinding alot now (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)
( my adept learner still stuck in 200 ) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

this estoc already been salvaged , then I buy it again (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)

Just find that your is not much better than mine
QUOTE(nobody_xxx @ Apr 21 2015, 08:12) *

no , I using thisrapier now as main weapon (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Well...... your really like to max forge anything (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)
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post Apr 21 2015, 02:45
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QUOTE(Colman @ Apr 21 2015, 08:34) *

Just find that your is not much better than mine

Well...... your really like to max forge anything (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

well , estoc forge lvl is different in the past (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
that estoc had nearly 3100 WD with 96 slaughter , 5 butcher and bunch of PaB ugrade (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)


Currently stop forging anything due to poverty at the moment (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)

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post Apr 21 2015, 03:47
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QUOTE(nec1986 @ Apr 21 2015, 01:06) *

Someone tried rapier of nimble? It has quite lower adb, but at the same time with forge for me its near 38% parry (near 65% total parry). Quite solid amount.

Im just thinking about changing my exq rapier, but good one cost huge amount. Something with good proc/parry already expensive.


I used one for a while. When you want to start increasing your damage (ie. when you have enough defenses), it is cheapest to upgrade weapon since it has such a high ADB. This means you probably need to change back to "of slaughter".

If you need more defense, and can't afford an expensive shield, then nimble is a cheap substitute.
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post Apr 21 2015, 05:23
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I think the school girl arenas are:
To Kill A God
Eve of Death
End of Days
Eternal Darkness
A Dance With Dragons

What is the reason why everyone is saying non-SG this and non-SG that?
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post Apr 21 2015, 05:33
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QUOTE(billyismad @ Apr 20 2015, 20:23) *

I think the school girl arenas are:
To Kill A God
Eve of Death
End of Days
Eternal Darkness
A Dance With Dragons

What is the reason why everyone is saying non-SG this and non-SG that?


Compare the schoolgirl distributions: http://ehwiki.org/wiki/Arena

To Kill a God and Eve of Death only have schoolgirls in the final round. End of Days, Eternal Darkness, and A Dance with Dragons eventually have schoolgirls every round. That's why the latter three have the distinction of "schoolgirl arenas" while the others don't.
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post Apr 21 2015, 07:05
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I'm fixing to spend my Hath. After autocasting what would be the first thing to buy? I'm thinking is Effluent Ether.
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post Apr 21 2015, 07:11
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QUOTE(dragonandon @ Apr 21 2015, 05:05) *
I'm fixing to spend my Hath. After autocasting what would be the first thing to buy? I'm thinking is Effluent Ether.
After IA 1 and 2, I'd go for VV if you're mage, RR if you play mostly GF, or if neither, IA3 followed by VV. Increasing max MP just doesn't help all that much, except a bit in GF, but RR > EE in that situation.
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post Apr 21 2015, 08:15
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QUOTE(nec1986 @ Apr 21 2015, 01:06) *

Someone tried rapier of nimble? It has quite lower adb, but at the same time with forge for me its near 38% parry (near 65% total parry). Quite solid amount.

Im just thinking about changing my exq rapier, but good one cost huge amount. Something with good proc/parry already expensive.

yup. i'm using this one as offhand in one of my backups shade sets. since it's DW/PA we're speaking about, i suggest you to forge its accuracy to raise offhand chance. on the other hand, if we're speaking about 1H i would think of it as cheap way to reach PA without being able to buy a rapier of slaughter, as m118 said

QUOTE(nobody_xxx @ Apr 21 2015, 02:12) *

no , I using thisrapier now as main weapon (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

not half bad, i'd say
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post Apr 21 2015, 08:26
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yup. i'm using this one as offhand in one of my backups shade sets. since it's DW/PA we're speaking about, i suggest you to forge its accuracy to raise offhand chance. on the other hand, if we're speaking about 1H i would think of it as cheap way to reach PA without being able to buy a rapier of slaughter, as m118 said
not half bad, i'd say

I'm poor so I only use that rapier (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)
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post Apr 21 2015, 08:49
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QUOTE(nobody_xxx @ Apr 21 2015, 14:26) *

I'm poor so I only use that rapier (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)

All of the top 1h equipment are so expensive that I cannot afford the upgrade. Still using exq power armor (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/anime_cry.gif)
And my rapier is only 5 forge . (in my signature)
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post Apr 21 2015, 08:50
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QUOTE(nobody_xxx @ Apr 21 2015, 08:26) *

I'm poor so I only use that rapier (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)

a poor who can afford 90 bindings of slaughter (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
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post Apr 21 2015, 09:42
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Apr 21 2015, 17:50) *

a poor who can afford 90 bindings of slaughter (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)


Makes me realize how many slaughters are in my main.... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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post Apr 21 2015, 09:56
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What can I use low-grade materials for? Take the case of LG cloth:

- it's probably not worthwhile to upgrade Exq/Mag phase, which would have used a small qty of LG cloth.

- if using cotton, it makes sense to go for Leg cotton, which doesn't require LG cloth

- it seems that nobody's buying LG cloth. In fact, the buy price seems to be at 100 credits, which is also the bazaar buy price for scrap.

Should I just bazaar my crappy superiors, instead of salvaging them?
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post Apr 21 2015, 09:57
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Makes me realize how many slaughters are in my main.... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Binding of slaughter is not the main problem for our level TBH. At least we can get 90% back from salvaging equipment. The main problem is the catalyst. 10k each is a bit........
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