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I haven't really thought about it, but for what it's worth, my

LMAX EDB shoes with whatever INT/WIS and my
SMAX EDB Radiant shoes with LMAX INT/WIS/MDM

offered roughly the same magic score. The score with the Radiant shoes was a little higher if I remember correctly; maybe ~50 points. I'm not sure how it would change after forging.

Since the whole point of radiant is to increase the magic score, I figured that a radiant piece should increase the magic score significantly to be considered. After all, you are also losing out on the benefit of having some other prefix.

But I didn't consider the bit about forging. Would I be correct in thinking that between a radiant piece and a non-radiant piece with the same magic score, the radiant piece has greater forge potential because there is one more attribute that can be forged?

i'd imagine the radiant one might provide a better score, given that MDB is a more important stat than EDB/INT/WIS. though, when you've MMax MDB + EDB + Evade, you'll end up with really really really shitty PABs.

Waitaminute. Are you saying that the attributes are a zero-sum game? ie, if the EDB goes up, something else (hopefully unimportant) has to go down?

This post has been edited by mozilla browser: Apr 18 2015, 11:35

the radiant piece has greater forge potential because there is one more attribute that can be forged

furthermore, a stat which scales really good with levels

Since the whole point of radiant is to increase the magic score, I figured that a radiant piece should increase the magic score significantly to be considered. After all, you are also losing out on the benefit of having some other prefix.

But I didn't consider the bit about forging. Would I be correct in thinking that between a radiant piece and a non-radiant piece with the same magic score, the radiant piece has greater forge potential because there is one more attribute that can be forged?

Radiant is a just another Credit Sink. Mystic is better most of the time.

Waitaminute. Are you saying that the attributes are a zero-sum game? ie, if the EDB goes up, something else (hopefully unimportant) has to go down?

He meant that getting high stats in every attribute is very rare. Have you ever seen any unforged gear with "All Stats Lmax"? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

furthermore, a stat which scales really good with levels

MDB from radiant doesn't scale that well with level unless it's shit-forged (Lv.30+).

This post has been edited by tetron: Apr 18 2015, 16:47

Waitaminute. Are you saying that the attributes are a zero-sum game? ie, if the EDB goes up, something else (hopefully unimportant) has to go down?

i'd always imagine if 2 equipment with the same pxp that'll be the case. just like it's almost impossible (?!) to have a Leg Ethereal weapon with Lmax damage. also, if you ever find an equipment with Mmax EDB, MDB, Evade, PMI, MMI, Resist, then it'll have really really really shitty PABs. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

example: Mag Radiant Phase Pants of Niflheim Wis S-8.9

it d have higher pxp and grade with better stats. All Lmax is probably only peerless has.

Radiant is a just another Credit Sink. Mystic is better most of the time.

Hmm... Why? This would be like saying that power armor of balance is better than power armor of slaughter?

MDB from radiant doesn't scale that well with level unless it's shit-forged (Lv.30+).

I guess Scremaz is referring to http://ehwiki.org/wiki/Level_Scaling. MDB increases by its level 0 base every ~23 levels, whereas EDB does the same every 200 levels.

And I guess you are saying that the MDB from a radiant piece is pretty insignificant unless it is heavily forged... but I'm not sure I agree with this argument.

i'd always imagine if 2 equipment with the same pxp that'll be the case. just like it's almost impossible (?!) to have a Leg Ethereal weapon with Lmax damage. also, if you ever find an equipment with Mmax EDB, MDB, Evade, PMI, MMI, Resist, then it'll have really really really shitty PABs. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

example: Mag Radiant Phase Pants of Niflheim Wis S-8.9

Sure, if 2 equipment had the same pxp, that'd be the case. But, this may be putting the cart before the horse. When generating an equipment, I guess that the stats are rolled, and then the pxp is calculated from the stats. And it is not that the pxp is calculated first, and all of the equipment rolls have to fit within the envelope of the pxp.

I have no idea why Leg Ethereal weapons with LMax damage are so rarely seen. I guess they just don't go on auction?

MDB from radiant doesn't scale that well with level unless it's shit-forged (Lv.30+).

it scales waaaay better than EDB:

I guess Scremaz is referring to http://ehwiki.org/wiki/Level_Scaling. MDB increases by its level 0 base every ~23 levels, whereas EDB does the same every 200 levels.

i'd always imagine if 2 equipment with the same pxp that'll be the case. just like it's almost impossible (?!) to have a Leg Ethereal weapon with Lmax damage. also, if you ever find an equipment with Mmax EDB, MDB, Evade, PMI, MMI, Resist, then it'll have really really really shitty PABs. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

example: Mag Radiant Phase Pants of Niflheim Wis S-8.9

murphy's law rules! B-)

This would be like saying that power armor of balance is better than power armor of slaughter?

i guess a balance with max ADB (maybe savage to do a bit of showoff) may be useful to raise ACC and crit. not really mandatory though, and i guess a full set of balance will e quite crappy if compared to a full slaughter...

And I guess you are saying that the MDB from a radiant piece is pretty insignificant unless it is heavily forged... but I'm not sure I agree with this argument.

i don't know whether it significant or not, but it's still a bonus. and if MDB is as important as EDB, then it's pretty much like (more than) doubling the gain in magic score for that piece with a single forge level

I have no idea why Leg Ethereal weapons with LMax damage are so rarely seen. I guess they just don't go on auction?

i guess so. consider that under-the-table market is quite common (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

it d have higher pxp and grade with better stats. All Lmax is probably only peerless has.

Peerless has Pmax stats, not Lmax, and it's quite a bit more.

Hmm... Why? This would be like saying that power armor of balance is better than power armor of slaughter?

Melee is a completely different story than Mage. Regular-Power-Balance is not better than Regular-Power-Slaughter, but Savage-Power-Balance is. But Savage-Power-Slaughter is still the best. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

As for mage, you hit a LOT of monsters per spell, and the spell crit chance is calculated differently for each monsters that the spell hits upon a single casting. So is you're fighting 9~10 mobs per round, you will be seeing your spells doing Crit often. Spell "Crit Damage Bonus" can help you get rid of monsters faster than "MDB Bonus", which does not give "Burst Damage".

I guess Scremaz is referring to http://ehwiki.org/wiki/Level_Scaling. MDB increases by its level 0 base every ~23 levels, whereas EDB does the same every 200 levels.

The scaling of EDB is more beneficial than MDB. MDB scales more often than EDB, but when EDB scales, the gain is much more.

And I guess you are saying that the MDB from a radiant piece is pretty insignificant unless it is heavily forged... but I'm not sure I agree with this argument.

I never said it's insignificant. It's just not much unless forged. As I said, Radiant is a Credit Sink.
My experience says this:

Charged > Mystic > Radiant (Unforged) > Frugal
Charged > Mystic = Radiant (Forged) > Frugal

I have no idea why Leg Ethereal weapons with LMax damage are so rarely seen. I guess they just don't go on auction?

Maybe because there are not so many users who get multiple Lmax Leg Ethereal drops? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)

Greetings experts!
I was playing in IW, got capacitor on first level and it was all like "yei!!" then the next five levels unlock 2 useless things and no more upgrade on capacitor.. That made me wonder how bad is my luck..
How people get lvl5 juggernaut and stuff? Do they see the 3 potencies or lvl the item to 10 and if doesn't get what they wanted use AS?
Should I pray next time am about to level up? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif)
For your attention thanks (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Greetings experts!
I was playing in IW, got capacitor on first level and it was all like "yei!!" then the next five levels unlock 2 useless things and no more upgrade on capacitor.. That made me wonder how bad is my luck..
How people get lvl5 juggernaut and stuff? Do they see the 3 potencies or lvl the item to 10 and if doesn't get what they wanted use AS?
Should I pray next time am about to level up? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif)
For your attention thanks (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Getting 5 Juggernaut + some Capacitor is very rare and only something to be pursued if the equipment is worth 1m+, probably more.

To get just ordinary Jug 5, reforge if the first upgrade does not give Juggernaut. If the first upgrade gives Juggernaut, then you can continue - but if at any time the sum of the bad potencies exceeds 5, reforge (obviously, Jug 5 no longer possible), and if the sum of the bad potencies exceeds Juggernaut + 2 (that is, if badpot1 + badpot2 > goodpot1 + 2), it's also in your best interest to reforge. You might think to reforge if there's only one bad potency in addition to Juggernaut and it's very high (eg. Coldproof 5 and Jug 1), but according to my simulations, it's always better to continue when there are only 2 potencies, and only to reforge if a 2nd bad potency appears and the equation above is met.

Using this strategy gives me an average of 37.12 (+- 0.05) shards used per successful Juggernaut 5 (and around 80 IW runs, varying depending on base PXP). It's very time-consuming and expensive. Though, if you're willing to settle for Juggernaut 2 or 3 or 4, you're almost guaranteed to get it if you start from Jug 1 on the first level. (average shards used: 7. do this if you want to IW but the equip is only worth ~300k-1m)

At your level, it'd be better to avoid IWing entirely, since it takes forever and you probably don't have the power to clear on IWBTH. Better to pay a higher level player to do it for you, or to just wait until you're 250+ to do so.

I wasn't looking for anything in particular just playin to level up and if I get something good I don't complain (;
Btw dont even try IWBTH, just hell for me, anyway I'll take note thanks!

Iw is very expensive, because it cost huge stamina and gives nothing. Average price for 1 item from 0 to 10 lvl on IWBTH is more than 300k credits.

This may be a very noobish question, but do catalysts drop anywhere or are they only available in item shop? I don't recall ever dropping one.

This may be a very noobish question, but do catalysts drop anywhere or are they only available in item shop? I don't recall ever dropping one.

Only item shop. That's the point - forcing players to buy catalysts = credit sink = less inflation. (or maybe "more deflation" nowadays (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif))

Drats. Well, looks like i'm not going to be a billionaire anytime soon, don't think i've ever went above 600k.

Using this strategy gives me an average of 37.12 (+- 0.05) shards used per successful Juggernaut 5 (and around 80 IW runs, varying depending on base PXP).
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Though, if you're willing to settle for Juggernaut 2 or 3 or 4, you're almost guaranteed to get it if you start from Jug 1 on the first level. (average shards used: 7)

so, the difference for 1 level of juggernaut is 30 shards, which means ~200k for 2% HP - furthermore base HP, not total. not bad i'd say. probably if you have all nice END rolls in every armor slots you may be happier with jug4 and 1M in your pockets

hi experts
recently i changed from a behing aleather 2 weapond user to a holy mage
and i have to say this
how does this work?
i eat mana potions like there is no tomorrow
i take huge amounts of damage
and my proficiency grows realy slowly
i go to grindfest in normal whit focus staff to try and save mana but i can only reack 50 rounds, my mana potions simply are not enouth

so my great qwestion is how? how do i improve proficiency faster, and how do you guys manage to clear alot of rouns being a holy mage?

so, the difference for 1 level of juggernaut is 30 shards, which means ~200k for 2% HP - furthermore base HP, not total. not bad i'd say. probably if you have all nice END rolls in every armor slots you may be happier with jug4 and 1M in your pockets

I haven't run simulations aiming for Jug 4+ instead of Jug 5, but Jug 4+ probably requires around 22 shards. Given Jug 1, Jug 4 is possible, just somewhat unlikely (and a bit costly if you absolutely can't settle for anything less). My guesses for average number of shards is 7 / 8 / 13 / 22 / 37.

hi experts
recently i changed from a behing aleather 2 weapond user to a holy mage
and i have to say this
how does this work?
i eat mana potions like there is no tomorrow
i take huge amounts of damage
and my proficiency grows realy slowly
i go to grindfest in normal whit focus staff to try and save mana but i can only reack 50 rounds, my mana potions simply are not enouth

so my great qwestion is how? how do i improve proficiency faster, and how do you guys manage to clear alot of rouns being a holy mage?

Maging is probably pretty difficult at your level - you don't have T3 yet, right? (Need 200 prof) If your melee gear isn't terrible, I'd wait until level 250 or so to work on maging and proficiency (since you really want to get to 200 prof, else without T3 things will be tough, and prof grinding takes a very long time when prof gets close to your level). You're also still dealing with the skyrocking monster PL, which will only really level off after level 300~ something.

Economizer 5 is the most useful IW on a staff, in almost all cases. If you can get it, it'll help you quite a lot. (but need standard staff, not Focus staff)

You're casting spells on Coalesced Mana targets when you can, right? That saves quite a lot of mana.

Mages take quite a lot of damage when they can't manage to kill most monsters by the 4th or so turn - monsters start being able to use very damaging MP and SP attacks. If you can't kill quick, better to lower the difficulty.

Grindfest will be extremely difficult without T3 since you can only hit half or so of the monsters at once. Better to play Arena where Smite can (usually) hit everything, at least in the first half.

If you want to gain proficiency quick, without risk, and without paying attention to HV, play in a Crude IW on IWBTH, probably with Heavy armor and melee weapon, and Spellspam. You'll take next to no damage and will gain much more prof per minute than when you have to play more carefully in real battles.

What's your armor like?

This post has been edited by Superlatanium: Apr 18 2015, 23:11

no idea what PL stands for
my proficiency in divine is about 7 now. so preety far from tier 3 spells
statf
helmet
chest
hands
legs
shoes

im still geting the last heimdall gear pieces. and i did not invest alot of money in gear becaus eim still trying to see if i like mage

Scremaz:panties link is broken
fixed

This post has been edited by 1xago: Apr 18 2015, 23:32

no idea what PL stands for
my proficiency in divine is about 7 now. so preety far from tier 3 spells
statf
helmet
chest
hands
legs
shoes

im still geting the last heimdall gear pieces. and i did not invest alot of money in gear becaus eim still trying to see if i like mage

PL = PowerLevel, the level of the monster

panties link is broken