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post Apr 17 2015, 06:59
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QUOTE(TheRapture @ Apr 16 2015, 21:39) *

I realized durability's a thing now.

Is there a post somewhere explaining how repairs and such work? My search-fu is weak.


The 0.80 release notes explain how it works.
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post Apr 17 2015, 07:44
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At what point does amage have to stop using elemental to use Holy/Dark  ? Does elemental stay relevent at higer levels ?
I was wondering if I need to change to some Katalox Holy/Dark stuff.

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post Apr 17 2015, 08:26
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QUOTE(ButterflyOfLight @ Apr 16 2015, 22:44) *

At what point does amage have to stop using elemental to use Holy/Dark  ? Does elemental stay relevent at higer levels ?
I was wondering if I need to change to some Katalox Holy/Dark stuff.


You can use elemental magic as long as you like.
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post Apr 17 2015, 12:59
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QUOTE(Valheran @ Apr 17 2015, 02:34) *

Are the drops better on high count rounds in GF? Or is is just staying means one doesn't have to redo rounds with less than 10 mobs?


I was checking gear quiality and wasnt something different in pxp (something like average of all rolls). Wiki says gf has 1-100 increase and arena has static bonus, but all is same. 25 rounds arena has similar drop to 100 rounds and similar to any round of gf. Maybe tier can be different (ordinary or rare type like power) or something insignificant, but only way to affect gear quality looks like lotd (a bit) and difficulty (most). F.e. im getting magnificent almost everyday on pf diff with 13 lotd (near 100 gears) and sometimes even 2. On hell its only 1 and sometimes 2 for week. Its quite big difference.

UPD. And yea, of course, crystals. Its maxed near 500 rounds, so mostly its much better to do full run instead lower amount, because second half gives in 1.5 times more crystals than first.

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post Apr 17 2015, 14:14
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QUOTE(nec1986 @ Apr 17 2015, 17:59) *

I was checking gear quiality and wasnt something different in pxp (something like average of all rolls). Wiki says gf has 1-100 increase and arena has static bonus, but all is same. 25 rounds arena has similar drop to 100 rounds and similar to any round of gf. Maybe tier can be different (ordinary or rare type like power) or something insignificant, but only way to affect gear quality looks like lotd (a bit) and difficulty (most). F.e. im getting magnificent almost everyday on pf diff with 13 lotd (near 100 gears) and sometimes even 2. On hell its only 1 and sometimes 2 for week. Its quite big difference.

UPD. And yea, of course, crystals. Its maxed near 500 rounds, so mostly its much better to do full run instead lower amount, because second half gives in 2.5 times more crystals than first.



even with my max LoTD , I'm rarely get mag now (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)

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post Apr 17 2015, 14:53
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Low difficulty? Mostly lotd doesnt give easy high grade. Its like...dam. Maybe a bit silly example, but it can hold until some threshold. Its high pressure, but still unnoticed. But if its higher than boom and breaks with huge flowing.

So for good gear income we need 5 things.
1. Pf diff. Its very-very strong quality control lever.
2. Quartermaster. The logic is quite simple. More gear drops - bigger chance. So next 2 is similar to this one.
3. High amount of mobs. I got many good drops in iw not so long time ago. Why? Because its static high amount of mobs per round. Also something like ofc works better with high amount of mobs. GF is even better.
4. High attack power.
5. Lotd. It also gives increase. Not so much, but as i said its more like threshold for magnificent quality. In my case with pf even 13lvl gives solid chance. Its also probably something like exponent. I mean higher level gives lower increase, so difference between 0 and 12 is much bigger than between 12 and 25.

But the problem with pf is longer time. I mean better drop just doesnt worth it, because mostly its trash. Even L-grade, but ordinary light prot is completely useless and cost nothing.

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post Apr 17 2015, 15:05
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I got 3 mag today , but all junk (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

I always playing in PFU ( just less rounds per day compare to what I did in the past ) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

sometime just page 1 arenas due to limited time playing HV now (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)

too bad tenB nerf DwD and TTT drop now (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)

I still remember ichy get full set leg shade from it (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)


well , that our fault too since we are whining about great drop only come from DwD and TTT in the past in request thread (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)

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post Apr 17 2015, 17:24
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Charged vs Frugal for holy?

it seems like a lot of holy mage prefer Charged. is it because of slow holy cast time? though, a 2% less mana cost sounds more tempting when holy spell cost so much.

ps. how do radiant or mystic falls into these equation. Radiant/mystic stuff seems to have pretty shitty PABs/stats. or is it basically like power slaughter where raw damage is more important than everything else?
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post Apr 17 2015, 17:53
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QUOTE(malkatmp @ Apr 17 2015, 23:24) *

Charged vs Frugal for holy?

it seems like a lot of holy mage prefer Charged. is it because of slow holy cast time? though, a 2% less mana cost sounds more tempting when holy spell cost so much.

ps. how do radiant or mystic falls into these equation. Radiant/mystic stuff seems to have pretty shitty PABs/stats. or is it basically like power slaughter where raw damage is more important than everything else?

You first need 10m+ to get one of those phase. There is no point if they can not be obtained.
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post Apr 17 2015, 17:57
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QUOTE(Colman @ Apr 17 2015, 17:53) *

You first need 10m+ to get one of those phase. There is no point if they can not be obtained.


i'm only talking about Mags not Legionaries. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)
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post Apr 17 2015, 18:37
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QUOTE(malkatmp @ Apr 17 2015, 23:57) *

i'm only talking about Mags not Legionaries. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

A good mag holy phase can be in 10m range.
Leg holy phase with those prefix will cost 20m+.
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post Apr 17 2015, 20:38
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QUOTE(Colman @ Apr 17 2015, 22:07) *

A good mag holy phase can be in 10m range.
Leg holy phase with those prefix will cost 20m+.

Makes me wonder how much it cost you to build your primary Holy set. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)
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post Apr 17 2015, 21:16
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I've heard that Radiant/Mystic is extremely good, but how much EDB might one be willing to give up in exchange? Eg. Lmax EDB plain ~= Mmax EDB + Radiant, or what? Staff suffix is important to consider too...
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post Apr 18 2015, 01:29
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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Apr 18 2015, 02:16) *

I've heard that Radiant/Mystic is extremely good, but how much EDB might one be willing to give up in exchange? Eg. Lmax EDB plain ~= Mmax EDB + Radiant, or what? Staff suffix is important to consider too...

main problem is radiant prefix are very hard to get (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

btw , is there any peerless power slaughter gear drop until now (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

it seem power slaughter still the most rare gear drop in HV (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

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post Apr 18 2015, 02:36
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QUOTE(billyismad @ Apr 18 2015, 00:23) *

just started playing hv again and noticed everyone recommending 1h + shield.

these are the 1h weapons and shields i have which ones should i equip?
Second weapon link is broken.

The only weapon that isn't terrible is the forged rapier, because it's a rapier, but it's still only Superior and only has 2 PAB. If you don't absolutely need Hallowed or Ethereal, a decent prefixed Exquisite rapier of Slaughter would be a relatively cheap good upgrade. Look for 3 PAB with decent parry and 19+ PA chance.

Rapiers are necessary because Penetrated Armor is incredibly powerful, much more so than Bleeding Wound, and somewhat better than club's stun. PA lets you do 2x or more damage on a target with 3 stacks.

All shields you listed have terrible block. Better to buy an ~Emax block Force Shield. (Block is possibly the most important stat for 1h)
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post Apr 18 2015, 02:37
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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Apr 17 2015, 12:16) *

I've heard that Radiant/Mystic is extremely good, but how much EDB might one be willing to give up in exchange? Eg. Lmax EDB plain ~= Mmax EDB + Radiant, or what? Staff suffix is important to consider too...


I haven't really thought about it, but for what it's worth, my

LMAX EDB shoes with whatever INT/WIS and my
SMAX EDB Radiant shoes with LMAX INT/WIS/MDM

offered roughly the same magic score. The score with the Radiant shoes was a little higher if I remember correctly; maybe ~50 points. I'm not sure how it would change after forging.
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post Apr 18 2015, 04:20
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QUOTE(n125 @ Apr 18 2015, 02:37) *

I haven't really thought about it, but for what it's worth, my

LMAX EDB shoes with whatever INT/WIS and my
SMAX EDB Radiant shoes with LMAX INT/WIS/MDM

offered roughly the same magic score. The score with the Radiant shoes was a little higher if I remember correctly; maybe ~50 points. I'm not sure how it would change after forging.


i'd imagine the radiant one might provide a better score, given that MDB is a more important stat than EDB/INT/WIS. though, when you've MMax MDB + EDB + Evade, you'll end up with really really really shitty PABs.
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post Apr 18 2015, 05:54
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QUOTE(tetron @ Apr 18 2015, 02:38) *

Makes me wonder how much it cost you to build your primary Holy set. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)

My set cost less than 20m, including everything.

Most of the phase are Ex_max phase (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/anime_cry.gif) Have only got one Mag max EDB phase, which is my own drop.
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post Apr 18 2015, 11:28
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QUOTE(Colman @ Apr 18 2015, 03:37) *

A good mag holy phase can be in 10m range.
Leg holy phase with those prefix will cost 20m+.


Nah, they're cheaper nowadays. Generic max edb or good prefix with bad edb roll should be 1-2m for mag and 5-10m for leg.

20m+ is the price for good prefix with lmax edb

QUOTE(malkatmp @ Apr 18 2015, 02:24) *

Charged vs Frugal for holy?

it seems like a lot of holy mage prefer Charged. is it because of slow holy cast time? though, a 2% less mana cost sounds more tempting when holy spell cost so much.

ps. how do radiant or mystic falls into these equation. Radiant/mystic stuff seems to have pretty shitty PABs/stats. or is it basically like power slaughter where raw damage is more important than everything else?


Cast speed is a defensive stat, so it comes handy deep into grindfest. After a certain

Prefixed stuffs with bad rolls can be affordable, though don't expect significant improvement over prefix-less stuffs with good rolls (by good rolls, I mean mmax+ edb/pmi/evade with at least one reaching lmax - other mages will have different definitions)

QUOTE(malkatmp @ Apr 18 2015, 02:57) *

i'm only talking about Mags not Legionaries. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)


lmax edb/pmi > mmax edb/pmi with prefixes

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