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post Apr 15 2015, 12:48
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What about your equipments? I frankly have no idea if you're defense is sufficient without equipment links. Shade doesn't have mithril variant, they already no-burden. Katana is not really preferable for 2H, they lack damage compared to other 2H weapons. If you play niten, I suggest you sparringly switch to 2H and DW to build just a bit proficiency since niten gives none. To last long, you can use mace for spread stun. Mace currently underpowered so it might take a while to clear your rounds. For more riskier move, you can use estoc. It's faster for higher difficulty. Longsword is the middle-ground but no high leveled player stay with middle ground.
is there a Guide to understanding the differences and similarities of Shades/Burdens? also: how do I list my equipment?
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post Apr 15 2015, 12:58
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QUOTE(TheDragonGodJosh @ Apr 15 2015, 12:48) *
is there a Guide to understanding the differences and similarities of Shades/Burdens? also: how do I list my equipment?

Burden is a stat that supposed to weigh you down, so you take more time before you can attack again (not very apparent if you don't read the log but the effect is profound), less likely to land critical hit (not apparent even if you read the log, you just feel happy when lucky hit happen more often), make you cumbersome so you can't evade as much. All stuff has burden except special equipment namely shade armors and ethereal weapon for melee. Maybe you want mithril variant since it discount 20% of burden compared to non mithril, but shade already unburdening, thus nowhere to apply the discount.

Mage armors has no burden since they will be hopeless without sufficient evasion.

You can read basic stuff on the wiki, for burden case, this page

Ah, forgot about how to link your equipment. On your equipment set page, hover and press c, your equipment stat will pop up. Copy the address here, if you want to be fancy, use url tag
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[url=your equipment pop up address]some text you want to type[/url]


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post Apr 15 2015, 13:11
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QUOTE(clarkiest @ Apr 15 2015, 18:58) *

Mage armors has no burden since they will be hopeless without sufficient evasion.


But, flowy cloth robes could be quite a burden when fighting. Maybe mage equipment should be made of spandex or leather instead (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif)
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post Apr 15 2015, 13:18
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But, flowy cloth robes could be quite a burden when fighting. Maybe mage equipment should be made of spandex or leather instead (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif)

I'm imagining mobs who wearing spandex before they dropped it. Or snowflake who give them out.
"Oh..., skin-tight...! I'm so fabulous!!"
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post Apr 15 2015, 13:25
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QUOTE(tetron @ Apr 15 2015, 13:26) *

Can anyone tell me how much time it takes nowadays to clear hellfest with 1H+Shade setup?


Probably quite long, because with 5600 adb, 35.3% crit and 65% damage im clearing near 19-20k turns. Its heavy, but quite close to shade and easy to predict result.
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post Apr 15 2015, 14:40
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QUOTE(nobody_xxx @ Apr 15 2015, 10:44) *

Haste , protection , spirit shield , SV or SoL (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

I never put SoL in IA since my HP very rare reach critical state with 1H (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)


QUOTE(n125 @ Apr 15 2015, 10:56) *

I never put Spark of Life on IA either, but only because my MP falls below the 10% minimum or is in the 10-24% range all too often.


Well, spirit shield is not that good. You can die after 3 skills with under 60% health (and it's more possible than you think) + extra spirit to replenish
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post Apr 15 2015, 14:45
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QUOTE(nec1986 @ Apr 15 2015, 16:55) *

Probably quite long, because with 5600 adb, 35.3% crit and 65% damage im clearing near 19-20k turns. Its heavy, but quite close to shade and easy to predict result.

I'm confused. Is that 20k turns from heavy armor or light armor?
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post Apr 15 2015, 15:41
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thanks
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post Apr 15 2015, 16:12
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thanks

Reported.
Too many this type of post lately. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Apr 15 2015, 14:56) *

Why not SoL (for reasons above) for non-mage? Unless of course your defense is so high that you never ever die...

If melee keep getting fatal hit. He should lower the difficulty anyway. Btw, Haste also lower the damage by around 30% so it is not likely a melee will be killed easily. Just cast Spirit shield on the first round.

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post Apr 15 2015, 16:34
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QUOTE(Colman @ Apr 15 2015, 16:12) *

Too many this type of post lately. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

without spam topics, people still have the need to post once per day. this thread is already under assault (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif)
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post Apr 15 2015, 16:39
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Ah, forgot about how to link your equipment. On your equipment set page, hover and press c, your equipment stat will pop up.
I'm using a phone. I don't have a computer. any suggestions on that?
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post Apr 15 2015, 17:29
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QUOTE(TheDragonGodJosh @ Apr 15 2015, 07:39) *

any suggestions on that?

...Get a computer?
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post Apr 15 2015, 17:30
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QUOTE(TheDragonGodJosh @ Apr 15 2015, 22:39) *

I'm using a phone. I don't have a computer. any suggestions on that?

Try using blue tooth mouse and keyboard. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)
Not sure is there any app that can simulate mouse + keyboard by touch screen.
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post Apr 15 2015, 17:31
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hey guys been a long time since the last time i posted in this thread just wanted to know the name of the prof. percentage script im on a new computer and cant find it
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post Apr 15 2015, 18:00
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Playing HV with a phone is very frustrating! (speaking from experience) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)
Mainly because HV was not designed for Mobile Interface.
I wonder how that kind of implementation would look like. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)
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post Apr 15 2015, 18:38
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I've been using this for some time already but don't know if it's enough for my level. I use elemental spells (mostly focused on ice).
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Is there anything I can improve here?

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post Apr 15 2015, 19:10
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QUOTE(tetron @ Apr 15 2015, 15:45) *

I'm confused. Is that 20k turns from heavy armor or light armor?


As i said with heavy. Light set is probably closer to 4600, so it should be near 24k turns.
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post Apr 15 2015, 19:17
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QUOTE(clarkiest @ Apr 15 2015, 05:35) *

You might want to give other stat some points. Endurance so that you won't so paper thin and agility to help with evasion. Have you unlocked spirit shield yet? Try give strength and dexterity a little bit point, it can buff your spirit tank which I believe will be useful to avoid one hit kill.

I don't know if 3 cottons (non-proficiency) 2 phase work at your level because later, it won't. Mage philosophy is kill before killed, they pack big punch but no defensive capability to speak of. The general advice is pack bigger punch by using more phase and prefer elemental or destruction suffix staff. I believe you've already trained enough pack-rat so you can bring with you more mana potions, making ~ of focus staff will not anymore necessary.


Thanks a lot for the advice I haven't unlocked spirit shield yet and I'm using those cottons because I haven't really been able to find good niflheim equips for those slots yet as for the staff I'll try to find a better destruction suffix one but I haven't really seen any decent ones on the shop lately and the only magnificient staff I managed to buy was a focus suffix. As for endurance and agility which one should have priority? I kinda have 76 agility from equipments and snowflake's blessings but only 3 endurance, also which element is actually good since I was using and collecting equips for a elec build but around level 180 most monsters got really high elec resist and I switched to cold which seems to be working for the moment but I'm worried about later on.
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post Apr 15 2015, 19:19
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QUOTE(nec1986 @ Apr 15 2015, 22:40) *

As i said with heavy. Light set is probably closer to 4600, so it should be near 24k turns.

Nice.
Actually, I'm thinking of making a build which I can use at my office time. So what's in my mind is the "Safest Possible Build" which requires the least amount of attention while in battle. And by the standard of HV, that style would be 1H+Shade! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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post Apr 15 2015, 20:13
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QUOTE(TheDragonGodJosh @ Apr 15 2015, 09:14) *
I want to last long in GrindFest and I want to use DW.
Grindfest is only all that profitable if you're high level with pretty good equipment, otherwise you'll run out of mana very quickly and die. Arenas will net you more income. (though, if you've finished all the arenas you can do in a day, no problem to continue GF for experience).
QUOTE(Benny-boy @ Apr 15 2015, 12:40) *
Well, spirit shield is not that good. You can die after 3 skills with under 60% health (and it's more possible than you think) + extra spirit to replenish
IMO it's better to have that than to be unlucky one-shotted by a Sprite or Celestial when you forget to re-cast SS for a turn or two.
QUOTE(Colman @ Apr 15 2015, 14:12) *
If melee keep getting fatal hit. He should lower the difficulty anyway. Btw, Haste also lower the damage by around 30% so it is not likely a melee will be killed easily. Just cast Spirit shield on the first round.
I still very occasionally have Spark activate as 1h when I'm holding down an attack key and neglect to release until after the next turn has happened. It's unusual, and I rarely take more than ~20% total HP in damage in a single ordinary turn (~6 monsters on field), but IA SoL has still saved me a few times, which is why I think it's worth it. If I didn't have more IA, I could still just re-cast Haste whenever it expires, so I'm not really understanding the benefit.
QUOTE(tututz @ Apr 15 2015, 16:38) *
I've been using this for some time already but don't know if it's enough for my level. I use elemental spells (mostly focused on ice).
Staff has no prefix. That means you're missing out on quite a good amount of cold EDB, which is going to seriously reduce your damage. Your current staff is not worth IWing or forging.

Use only one type of phase / spell in battle. Better to be doing 200% damage with a certain element all the time than to be doing 130% occasionally with Holy and 170% occasionally with Cold. (for example. level scaling will give you different EDB) Try for 3 phase of same element (hopefully Emax EDB) + 2 elementalist cotton.

Your current armor is not worth forging either. Elemental prof isn't even close to Smax - you could probably find 3 PAB Emax elemental prof gears for cheap.
QUOTE(Kazuki3 @ Apr 15 2015, 09:15) *
So yeah I'm using the following equips
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I haven't unlocked spirit shield yet
Just one more level! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
QUOTE(Kazuki3 @ Apr 15 2015, 17:17) *
and I'm using those cottons because I haven't really been able to find good niflheim equips for those slots yet as for the staff I'll try to find a better destruction suffix one but I haven't really seen any decent ones on the shop lately and the only magnificient staff I managed to buy was a focus suffix. As for endurance and agility which one should have priority? I kinda have 76 agility from equipments and snowflake's blessings but only 3 endurance, also which element is actually good since I was using and collecting equips for a elec build but around level 180 most monsters got really high elec resist and I switched to cold which seems to be working for the moment but I'm worried about later on.
Don't be afraid to buy from other players instead of from bazaar/random drops. You'll never find anything good on your own unless you grind a whole lot at level 350+, and even then it's very rare.

If you want to play as cold mage, staff absolutely must have "Arctic" prefix, otherwise you lose out on a whole lot of potential damage. Ethereal is useless. (Redwood > Willow, suffix can be Destruction or Niflheim or maybe even Elementalist. Focus is not that good)

Average resist to spells does not vary across spell element. What you are seeing is actually just the high PL curve, which you are just now running into (compared to level 150 and below when you only fight very low PL monsters). Even if you got Cold equips exactly as good as your Elec equips, you probably wouldn't be able to see a difference.

For armor, there are 2 basic options: Phase of your element, or proficiency cotton. If equip does not fit into either of those categories, it's definitely not worth using, at least not in this patch. 3 phase + 2 cotton is a good combination, or 4 + 1 if you have Elementalist staff.
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