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post Apr 9 2015, 18:42
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QUOTE(nec1986 @ Apr 9 2015, 16:25) *
Is this one good enough? Or i should think about replacement?
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=98aa179dd6
There is no Hallowed prefix. I wouldn't say Hallowed is absolutely necessary, but if you're going to give up potentially having it, then the other stats (especially mdb and edb) need to be amazing. Your mdb is only Emax though, and edb is S - 1.5 (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif).

It depends on your budget, but if you're going to get one worth IWing and forging to 5 or 10, I'd try to find a better one.
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post Apr 9 2015, 19:06
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QUOTE(nec1986 @ Apr 10 2015, 03:25) *

Is this one good enough? Or i should think about replacement?
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=98aa179dd6


I would also agree the stats on it aren't that great.
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post Apr 10 2015, 01:04
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Does anybody know when the reward for shrining a full set of server parts will arrive?
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post Apr 10 2015, 01:23
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Does anybody know when the reward for shrining a full set of server parts will arrive?

soon (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
Just wait
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post Apr 10 2015, 05:15
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1H+Power user and I need some advice here. If I can afford 500 hath what should I invest on first?

1. Invest in more trainings? List of trainings I have currently are in my sig.

2. Invest in 2 of the following 250 hath perks? Which first?
i. Vigorous Vitality
ii. Thinking Cap
iii. Innate Arcana 3
iv. Crystarium 1

3. Invest in 1 of the following 500 hath perk
i. Effluent Ether
ii. Resplendent Regeneration
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post Apr 10 2015, 05:18
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QUOTE(helno @ Apr 10 2015, 11:15) *

1H+Power user and I need some advice here. If I can afford 500 hath what should I invest on first?

1. Invest in more trainings? List of trainings I have currently are in my sig.

2. Invest in 2 of the following 250 hath perks? Which first?
i. Vigorous Vitality
ii. Thinking Cap
iii. Innate Arcana 3
iv. Crystarium 1

3. Invest in 1 of the following 500 hath perk
i. Effluent Ether
ii. Resplendent Regeneration

Vigorous Vitality + Innate Arcana 3.
Both can increase your afk playing power. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

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post Apr 10 2015, 09:46
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QUOTE(Colman @ Apr 10 2015, 13:18) *

Vigorous Vitality + Innate Arcana 3.
Both can increase your afk playing power. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

Haha noted thanks (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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post Apr 10 2015, 11:08
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EE and RR are probably helpful for GF (and PF DwD) only.

Due to the recently revealed XP perk calculation mechanics, better to train Adept Learner to 300 before any perk.

IIRC Crystarium is unlikely to be profitable and is more there just for fun.

So I agree that VV + IA3 are the best choices ATM.
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post Apr 10 2015, 11:46
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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Apr 10 2015, 16:08) *

EE and RR are probably helpful for GF (and PF DwD) only.

Due to the recently revealed XP perk calculation mechanics, better to train Adept Learner to 300 before any perk.

IIRC Crystarium is unlikely to be profitable and is more there just for fun.

So I agree that VV + IA3 are the best choices ATM.


I want to refund my crystarium perk if I can (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)

since I'm never doing GF anymore now (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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post Apr 10 2015, 11:47
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imo, in terms of Cost & usefulness. VV + IA3 are quite good. if you want slightly less clicking, IA4 might be more useful than EE or RR when all 3 perks cost 500haths each.

though, Crystarium can be quite good in the very long run (ie 1+year), because you'll get more crystals to level up your monsters as a byproduct. even though, i don't regularly do grindfest, i still got enough crystals from Arenas to level up my monsters.

lastly, probably due to my own stupidity, i never understand leveling fast after level 350. if you do Arenas @IWTBH+ daily, you're leveling pretty fast anyway. if you want to level up even faster you can start doing BT/IWTBHfest, at that difficulty (& Archaeologist lvl5) you'll have a self-sustaining amount of ED. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)
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post Apr 10 2015, 11:54
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QUOTE(malkatmp @ Apr 10 2015, 16:47) *

imo, in terms of Cost & usefulness. VV + IA3 are quite good. if you want slightly less clicking, IA4 might be more useful than EE or RR when all 3 perks cost 500haths each.

though, Crystarium can be quite good in the very long run (ie 1+year), because you'll get more crystals to level up your monsters as a byproduct. even though, i don't regularly do grindfest, i still got enough crystals from Arenas to level up my monsters.

lastly, probably due to my own stupidity, i never understand leveling fast after level 350. if you do Arenas @IWTBH+ daily, you're leveling pretty fast anyway. if you want to level up even faster you can start doing BT/IWTBHfest, at that difficulty (& Archaeologist lvl5) you'll have a self-sustaining amount of ED. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)


crystal perk only usefull if we doing alot of GF runs ( like cat_lovers ) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)


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post Apr 10 2015, 12:23
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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Apr 10 2015, 19:08) *

EE and RR are probably helpful for GF (and PF DwD) only.

Due to the recently revealed XP perk calculation mechanics, better to train Adept Learner to 300 before any perk.

IIRC Crystarium is unlikely to be profitable and is more there just for fun.

So I agree that VV + IA3 are the best choices ATM.

QUOTE(malkatmp @ Apr 10 2015, 19:47) *

imo, in terms of Cost & usefulness. VV + IA3 are quite good. if you want slightly less clicking, IA4 might be more useful than EE or RR when all 3 perks cost 500haths each.

though, Crystarium can be quite good in the very long run (ie 1+year), because you'll get more crystals to level up your monsters as a byproduct. even though, i don't regularly do grindfest, i still got enough crystals from Arenas to level up my monsters.

lastly, probably due to my own stupidity, i never understand leveling fast after level 350. if you do Arenas @IWTBH+ daily, you're leveling pretty fast anyway. if you want to level up even faster you can start doing BT/IWTBHfest, at that difficulty (& Archaeologist lvl5) you'll have a self-sustaining amount of ED. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

Thanks for the feedback (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

I have some questions about IA though. Would it be detrimental to get it at too high level because then you would have less things to trigger channeling -> heartseeker? Just a thought because that is how I usually cast heartseeker...

Also I thought crystarium was how players in GF earn their worth... else it is really not worth doing GF (unless there is some other reason I am not aware of)
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post Apr 10 2015, 12:47
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QUOTE(helno @ Apr 10 2015, 10:23) *
I have some questions about IA though. Would it be detrimental to get it at too high level because then you would have less things to trigger channeling -> heartseeker? Just a thought because that is how I usually cast heartseeker...
I recently got IA 3 as well. Before, I almost always had to cast Haste for the full cost (no channeling - channeling went to Heartseeker or Regen instead). Now since I never have to cast Haste and save even more MP from upkeep reduction, it seems worthwhile.

On channeling, Heartseeker lasts 508 turns for me, and it seems to have almost no chance of running out before running into another Channeling from cast or gem. The larger issue is Regen, which has a much lower duration and a higher average cost per round - and cannot often be cast from Channeling with much gain, even with lower IA.

Still, unless you're playing GF or PF DwD, mana conservation is not an issue, so even if you frequently have to pay full cost for Regen, it's not a problem with 15 pots.
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Also I thought crystarium was how players in GF earn their worth... else it is really not worth doing GF (unless there is some other reason I am not aware of)
Artifacts are a big draw too, from what I've heard. It's not that crystal drops are insignificant, but that Crystarium takes so long to pay off, even when playing GF.
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post Apr 10 2015, 13:12
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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Apr 10 2015, 17:08) *

Due to the recently revealed XP perk calculation mechanics, better to train Adept Learner to 300 before any perk.


What? where?
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post Apr 10 2015, 13:28
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Hath Perks page

Thinking Cap - Increases EXP gain by 25%. For calculation purposes, this bonus is added to the HentaiVerse training bonus.

I presume previously it was thought to be multiplicative but that isn't the case now
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post Apr 10 2015, 13:44
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What? where?
https://e-hentai.org/hathperks.php

Thinking Cap Increases EXP gain by 25%. For calculation purposes, this bonus is added to the HentaiVerse training bonus.

Adept Learner 299 to 300: 50k for increase from 3.99 to 4.00 multiplier, or +1/399. Cost to double is 50k * 399 = 19,950k.

Thinking Cap: 250 h ~= 1.5m for increase of 25 / (AL + 100). At AL 300, this is 1/16. Cost to double is 1.5m * 16, or 24,000k.

Even at 300, Adept Learner is somewhat more cost efficient, and was even more so in the past when hath was 7500+.

Really sucks that the boss only added that after years of many people being sucked into the hath sink of buying Thinking Cap.
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post Apr 10 2015, 14:24
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Thanks. Somehow, I'd always assumed this, and that someone would have tested this empirically.

Among the ways listed in http://ehwiki.org/wiki/EXP, I suppose only those that are described as N x are multiplicative, and those describes as +N % are additive. Which reminds me that the formula in the wiki is wrong.

Edit: thanks anyway. I was about to go for Mentats next - but obviously going from ~ +525% to ~ +550% isn't worth 500 hath.

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post Apr 10 2015, 14:49
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Just dropped a Princess Celestia figurine. Best to sell it or keep it?
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post Apr 10 2015, 14:51
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If you are playing 1h or some other style where you build overcharge quickly, it's probably worthwhile to collect or buy 21 different figurines in order to get the orbital friendship cannon (http://ehwiki.org/wiki/Skills#Special_Skills)
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post Apr 10 2015, 15:08
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QUOTE(mozilla browser @ Apr 10 2015, 12:24) *
I suppose
Many times us number-crunchers have supposed things that would seem to be common sense with HV, only to find out later that the system actually calculates it differently, or doesn't factor it in at all (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

That's one of the reasons I really think the final XP multiplier and components for a user should all be displayed somewhere, like on g.e Home, or in character stats. There are so many variables involved and I don't trust the system to work the way we think it works.
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