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post Mar 7 2015, 19:21
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Mar 8 2015, 01:14) *

don't see the reason because 85% shouldn't be possible at your level

The different between 80% and 85% is a net 25% PMI.
Even if all 5 piece of my leather get an extra 5% PMI. I am still at ~83%. Of course, forging them to max cannot increase 5% PMI.
It will be another story if I have 5 piece of peerless leather of protection.
I know a few pieces of leather of protection exist. Its just that the owner is not selling.
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post Mar 7 2015, 19:24
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Mar 7 2015, 19:11) *

just did a try myself: used 4 M-range protection pieces + 1 L PMI-range warding and had:

72.1% physical mitigation
63.9% magical mitigation
36.8% evade chance
0% block chance
71.5% parry chance
50.8% resist chance

not-so-different from yours. gap in parry is due to a parry-oriented DW set.


imo, Leg Leather is cheap enough, that almost everyone can easily acquire a set. also, due to multiplicative adding, you need a lot more stat pts to increase 1 pt of your final stat.

so i guess unless you've good reinforced stuff or start forging your leather, i guess pretty much all leather protection set will look very similar.

QUOTE(Colman @ Mar 7 2015, 19:11) *

Light (5-10) forge. Most of the piece are random piece without checking their PMI. In fact, I have a few better pieces in reserve. Will IW them and renew my set when I have the mood to play HV again.


i guess everyone is waiting for the new patch which might come any day now. though, it seems like a lot of players are starting to dump their stuff for credits/haths. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

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post Mar 7 2015, 19:31
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patch or not patch, i don't see how leather may come more useful than shade for high-level players
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post Mar 7 2015, 19:52
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QUOTE(Colman @ Mar 7 2015, 19:21) *

The different between 80% and 85% is a net 25% PMI.
Even if all 5 piece of my leather get an extra 5% PMI. I am still at ~83%. Of course, forging them to max cannot increase 5% PMI.
It will be another story if I have 5 piece of peerless leather of protection.
I know a few pieces of leather of protection exist. Its just that the owner is not selling.


got bored and just did the math. you need ALL Peerless Leather Protection + 760 END&AGI + Full 50lvl protection forge to get to 85.00% PMI. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Mar 7 2015, 19:31) *

patch or not patch, i don't see how leather may come more useful than shade for high-level players


Niten or 2H buff. weapon for pure awesome damage & leather for defense. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/mellow.gif)
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post Mar 7 2015, 19:57
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QUOTE(malkatmp @ Mar 7 2015, 18:52) *

got bored and just did the math. you need ALL Peerless Leather Protection + 760 END&AGI + Full 50lvl protection forge to get to 85.00% PMI. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

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uh, ok. it's only a trivial matter then. i was starting to think it may be somehow unreachable (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

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Niten or 2H buff. weapon for pure awesome damage & leather for defense. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/mellow.gif)

chances for me to find scarlett waiting in my bed are still higher...
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post Mar 7 2015, 20:04
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Mar 7 2015, 19:57) *

uh, ok. it's only a trivial matter then. i was starting to think it may be somehow unreachable (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)


i was figuring out something for my leather sets. ie I need ~32 PMI forge on my current set x5 to get to 80%PMI which is too costly. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

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chances for me to find scarlett waiting in my bed are still higher...


So... ...

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post Mar 7 2015, 20:33
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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Mar 7 2015, 17:12) *

Oh ok.

From my experiences on the internet I've learned it's not smart to assume people are more intelligent than they present themselves as being. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) Otherwise, I frequently find my assumption proven wrong a few posts down the line.


That "frequently" speaks volumes in more ways than one.
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post Mar 7 2015, 20:41
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QUOTE(Colman @ Mar 7 2015, 20:21) *

I know a few pieces of leather of protection exist. Its just that the owner is not selling.


It has not so good game value as gear, but at the same time it drops extremely rare. I dont know, maybe once per few years. At the same time any player can easy farm credits. Maybe few days, maybe few weeks, but its very constant and cant replace subjective value. So thats mostly why ppl keep it.
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post Mar 7 2015, 20:44
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So... ...

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to bang scarlett?

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post Mar 7 2015, 21:06
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It has not so good game value as gear, but at the same time it drops extremely rare. I dont know, maybe once per few years. At the same time any player can easy farm credits. Maybe few days, maybe few weeks, but its very constant and cant replace subjective value. So thats mostly why ppl keep it.

A same player get two peerless leather of protection. I think it is not that rare.
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post Mar 7 2015, 21:18
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He is just lucky or shrine many trophies.
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post Mar 7 2015, 21:43
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So I tried IW-ing an 80 round gear with my 1h set and got utterly wrecked by mobs near round 40 at IWBTH. I don't ever play 1h so I could be doing something wrong, but I constantly had to heal and mobs were doing 2000 physical damage apiece to me. I think I ended up dying multiple times around round 43 via 3-4 monsters killing me in 1 turn. Any suggestions on increasing my survivability at this point? I thought my equips and stats weren't THAT bad (not great, but okay) and I'm pretty hesitant to invest much more in the set since I main mage (terrible for IW-ing and whatnot).

And here I thought 1h/power were immortal (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

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post Mar 7 2015, 21:59
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QUOTE(Amiakust @ Mar 7 2015, 20:43) *

So I tried IW-ing an 80 round gear with my 1h set and got utterly wrecked by mobs near round 40 at IWBTH. I don't ever play 1h so I could be doing something wrong, but I constantly had to heal and mobs were doing 2000 physical damage apiece to me. I think I ended up dying multiple times around round 43 via 3-4 monsters killing me in 1 turn. Any suggestions on increasing my survivability at this point? I thought my equips and stats weren't THAT bad (not great, but okay) and I'm pretty hesitant to invest much more in the set since I main mage (terrible for IW-ing and whatnot).

And here I thought 1h/power were immortal (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

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forge all the stats on your shield, since you already spent two matrixes
80 BUR is quite high, your crit chance is a bit lowered because of this

but apart from this i usually do 70-rounds IWTBH IW and still use only 5-6 potions: your prof is high enough to use 1H at its best, so i guess you only cast wrong spells: try with (in this sequence) haste, spirit shield (personally i use them in IA slots), protection, regen and heartseeker (the latter only when a channeling is available).
also, it would be bertter if you reach 200 forbidden prof to cast ragnarok, siphon spirit will be way more efficient

[edit]: oh, btw, now that i see it block is a bit low. did you slot 'better block' ability?

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post Mar 7 2015, 22:09
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QUOTE(Amiakust @ Mar 7 2015, 19:43) *
So I tried IW-ing an 80 round gear with my 1h set and got utterly wrecked by mobs near round 40 at IWBTH. I don't ever play 1h so I could be doing something wrong, but I constantly had to heal and mobs were doing 2000 physical damage apiece to me. I think I ended up dying multiple times around round 43 via 3-4 monsters killing me in 1 turn. Any suggestions on increasing my survivability at this point? I thought my equips and stats weren't THAT bad (not great, but okay) and I'm pretty hesitant to invest much more in the set since I main mage (terrible for IW-ing and whatnot)
You still have some 1h proficiency to go - getting it up to your level will give you around 2% more block chance (which high level players sometimes spend millions to get (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) )

If you're trying to conserve mana in the beginning, make sure to Focus only when mobs are stunned, since it takes your parry/block down to 0 for the current battle turn and the following turn.

You could exchange one Power Slaughter for one good Plate of Protection, for use in IW, since defense is more important in IW than in other battle series. (up to a point)
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80 BUR is quite high, your crit chance is a bit lowered because of this
Worth 3 crit chance... something, but not that troublesome IMO.
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but apart from this i usually do 70-rounds IWTBH IW and still use only 5-6 potions: your prof is high enough to use 1H at its best, so i guess you only cast wrong spells
It could be that 80-round IW is significantly harder than 70? I wouldn't expect that much difference but we could be wrong.
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also, it would be bertter if you reach 200 forbidden prof to cast ragnarok, siphon spirit will be way more efficient
True if there are 3 or fewer monsters, but not if there are 4 or more (which there usually are). We did the math on this right?
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post Mar 7 2015, 22:29
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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Mar 7 2015, 21:09) *

It could be that 80-round IW is significantly harder than 70? I wouldn't expect that much difference but we could be wrong.

I don't know myself but i don't think. If the gap between 70 and 80 is similar to 60 and 70, then it surely won't be a piece of cake but still doable...

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True if there are 3 or fewer monsters, but not if there are 4 or more (which there usually are). We did the math on this right?

I don't agree. If i have to cast ragnarok it's either because i have a channeling that don't know how to use otherwise (then mana isn't a problem) or i'm in need for earning spirit quite soon. Afaik, disintegrate was able to proc ripened soul only once or twice since i unlocked ragnarok (and i still try every now and then). Furthermore, with ragnarok chances to earn channeling are higher
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post Mar 7 2015, 22:46
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Mar 7 2015, 20:29) *
I don't agree. If i have to cast ragnarok it's either because i have a channeling that don't know how to use otherwise (then mana isn't a problem) or i'm in need for earning spirit quite soon. Afaik, disintegrate was able to proc ripened soul only once or twice since i unlocked ragnarok (and i still try every now and then). Furthermore, with ragnarok chances to earn channeling are higher
In IW there are usually 7-9 monsters spawned - 80% chance of Disintegrate succeeding at the beginning, which is pretty good, and a significantly better value per mana cost than Ragnarok. If I procrastinate and don't try to regain spirit until I'm almost out, might as well use a potion instead, if the increased reliability is worth the decreased conversion rate.

So it comes down to... use Ragnarok, spend more mana less efficiently just for a chance at channeling...? I wouldn't do it myself.
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post Mar 7 2015, 23:04
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Btw. Someone checked how quality modifiers works?

Wiki says:
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Random Encounter: A static Round Bonus.
Grindfest / Item World: A variable Round Bonus starts low and increases with each round played, maxing out at round 100.
Arena: A static Arena Bonus is given based on the arena level.

So it looks not so hard. Just collect pxp data from drops and get average. Or something like that.
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post Mar 7 2015, 23:13
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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Mar 7 2015, 21:46) *

In IW there are usually 7-9 monsters spawned - 80% chance of Disintegrate succeeding at the beginning, which is pretty good, and a significantly better value per mana cost than Ragnarok. If I procrastinate and don't try to regain spirit until I'm almost out, might as well use a potion instead, if the increased reliability is worth the decreased conversion rate.

So it comes down to... use Ragnarok, spend more mana less efficiently just for a chance at channeling...? I wouldn't do it myself.

It's obvious i dont' use ragnarok only for a slightly higher chance of channeling, only a side (yet appreciated) effect.
And also that when SP is really low i use a potion, but every now and then a siphon just to procrastinate it (i have only two potions, so i use them only when needed)

Point is, i cast ragnarok because for me it's quite uncommon that it fails on every target, pretty much as it's uncommon that disintegrate proc on at least one target. I know like you that ragnarok is quite expensive, but casting it once is still better than casting disintegrate twice
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post Mar 8 2015, 00:29
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Point is, i cast ragnarok because for me it's quite uncommon that it fails on every target, pretty much as it's uncommon that disintegrate proc on at least one target. I know like you that ragnarok is quite expensive, but casting it once is still better than casting disintegrate twice
Hmm. I was wondering if the listed numbers on the wiki and abilities page are wrong, but after testing it (150 Disintegrate casts and 123 successes with Ripened 2 and Better Disin 2) it seems accurate. I dunno why it doesn't work for you.
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post Mar 8 2015, 00:57
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are there reasonable high PLs?
I guess PL2250 will never pay off. But how about 1000, 1200 or 1500 or something like that?
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