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post Mar 7 2015, 15:18
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Mar 7 2015, 12:52) *
afaik it works well only for continuous words, looking for something like 'legendary cotton of protection' will return you an error.
Yep, so you have to put in exactly what you're looking for. Weapons are much easier than general armor of course.

Still, that may be preferable to Google (which is not comprehensive enough) and to sifting through 40 shop threads... and only if you really can't find it otherwise.
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post Mar 7 2015, 15:29
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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Mar 7 2015, 14:18) *

Yep, so you have to put in exactly what you're looking for. Weapons are much easier than general armor of course.

which is quite a hassle given the 20s time limit - when i search for something usually i launch many of them and then i start to look the results, so i really hate that message - but still doable

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Still, that may be preferable to Google (which is not comprehensive enough) and to sifting through 40 shop threads... and only if you really can't find it otherwise.

undoubtly.
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post Mar 7 2015, 15:32
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don't take me as reference.
I use it with niten to fight against duration (lesser damage applied on more pa turns).
Can't afford agile fleet yet.

We're neither talking about Playstyle nor Shade. It's all about Leather. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Anyway, I have one more question: For Leather, what would be the preference order in terms of Suffix?

1. Protection > Warding > Deflection > Crushing > Stoneskin
2. Protection > Deflection > Warding > Crushing > Stoneskin
3. Protection > Deflection > Crushing > Warding > Stoneskin
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post Mar 7 2015, 15:36
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Eh, does it matter? Leg leather is cheap you shot for the best one out there. Peerless leather is rare you take what you can get your hand on.

QUOTE(holy_demon @ Mar 7 2015, 14:54) *
..., with rather exorbitant price...

Uhh..., exorbitant?
Well, I see a mag shade piece that I'd really like to have but you put such a high price on it..
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post Mar 7 2015, 15:38
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QUOTE(tetron @ Mar 7 2015, 14:32) *

We're neither talking about Playstyle nor Shade. It's all about Leather. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Anyway, I have one more question: For Leather, what would be the preference order in terms of Suffix?

1. Protection > Warding > Deflection > Crushing > Stoneskin
2. Protection > Deflection > Warding > Crushing > Stoneskin
3. Protection > Deflection > Crushing > Warding > Stoneskin

crushing resistance can be already high to begin with and there's always resist, so i'd say 2 or 3.
surely 3 for low-levels who don't have to meet magical attacks as often as godslayers
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post Mar 7 2015, 15:57
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QUOTE(holy_demon @ Mar 7 2015, 13:54) *

They're perceived as bad drops and people who got tons of them either bazaar them or don't even put them up for sale. I for example have these lying around and catching dust in my inventory. I only put the 2 charged cotton on sale, with rather exorbitant price because god knows when it suddenly becomes viable


I don't get why people want to sell their stuff at all. When I get a piece of good gear I can use, I recycle the old gear to recover the materials and enhance the new one. When I get some good gear I can't use, I destroy it: if I can't use it I don't see why anyone else should.
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post Mar 7 2015, 16:00
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QUOTE(Hoheneim @ Mar 7 2015, 14:57) *

I don't get why people want to sell their stuff at all. When I get a piece of good gear I can use, I recycle the old gear to recover the materials and enhance the new one. When I get some good gear I can't use, I destroy it: if I can't use it I don't see why anyone else should.

if you can't use them, why anyone else should not? and why not to earn a profit out of it or doing trades/gifts, while we're at it? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
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post Mar 7 2015, 16:13
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QUOTE(Hoheneim @ Mar 7 2015, 13:57) *
I don't get why people want to sell their stuff at all. When I get a piece of good gear I can use, I recycle the old gear to recover the materials and enhance the new one. When I get some good gear I can't use, I destroy it: if I can't use it I don't see why anyone else should.
If everyone only used what they found, it would be a whole lot difficult for everyone to play anywhere near the difficulty / speed they're playing at now. The ability to trade is probably the only reason players under 400 can make decent complete gear sets.

If you can't use something, you might as well trade it to someone else who wants it and get credits out of it - and then eventually buy that great upgrade that you'd never be able to get otherwise. It's not like the only two options are to salvage it or to give it away for free (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Toca koukan, right? Trading benefits everyone.
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post Mar 7 2015, 16:14
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Mar 7 2015, 19:08) *

crushing resistance can be already high to begin with and there's always resist, so i'd say 2 or 3.
surely 3 for low-levels who don't have to meet magical attacks as often as godslayers

So Deflection is the 2nd best Suffix, eh?

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I don't get why people want to sell their stuff at all. When I get a piece of good gear I can use, I recycle the old gear to recover the materials and enhance the new one. When I get some good gear I can't use, I destroy it: if I can't use it I don't see why anyone else should.

Nice policy...to shot your own feet. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)
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post Mar 7 2015, 16:20
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QUOTE(Hoheneim @ Mar 7 2015, 21:57) *

I don't get why people want to sell their stuff at all. When I get a piece of good gear I can use, I recycle the old gear to recover the materials and enhance the new one. When I get some good gear I can't use, I destroy it: if I can't use it I don't see why anyone else should.

Selling is after you have already completed all the sets. People normally sell the weaker one only, besides those relatively new players that need credit for training.
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post Mar 7 2015, 17:13
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QUOTE(tetron @ Mar 7 2015, 15:14) *

So Deflection is the 2nd best Suffix, eh?

for leather i'd say yes, because it would go to fix leather's natural weakness. but obviously, if you can put your filthy hands on full reinforced leather of protection with low BUR, that will be the top. or maybe a hybrid reinforced/agile, not sure (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
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post Mar 7 2015, 17:48
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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Mar 7 2015, 15:13) *

Toca koukan, right? Trading benefits everyone.


I thought you'd all get I was poking some fun... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif)

I mean, there's people I made business with 'round here. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/mellow.gif)
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post Mar 7 2015, 18:09
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QUOTE(Hoheneim @ Mar 7 2015, 16:48) *

I thought you'd all get I was poking some fun... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif)

I mean, there's people I made business with 'round here. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/mellow.gif)

humour is hard to discern behind a monitor (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
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post Mar 7 2015, 18:12
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QUOTE(Hoheneim @ Mar 7 2015, 15:48) *
I thought you'd all get I was poking some fun... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif)
Oh ok.

From my experiences on the internet I've learned it's not smart to assume people are more intelligent than they present themselves as being. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) Otherwise, I frequently find my assumption proven wrong a few posts down the line.
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post Mar 7 2015, 18:53
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wait, we're still on leather talk?! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

though, imo, i still think Full Leg Leather Protection is better than 4x Protection +Deflection. this is my defense stats for non-forged full Leather Protection. all leather items are in my signature and none of them are Lmax. one of them are not even Mmax. though, my PMI is already 73.9% unforged. probably can reach 80% PMI for better Leather + medium forge. maybe 85%PMI is possible. though, i would love someone to actually do the math on it.

also, note that most Leather has <7 burden, so you can easily achieve 0 Burden for a "cheap" 10% evade bonus.

ps. the first 2 stat i've a staff equip, so if you equip a rapier or 2H, your parry% will be better.

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added double nimble waki. more burden, but a lot more parry + some more PMI/Evade. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

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post Mar 7 2015, 19:03
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QUOTE(malkatmp @ Mar 8 2015, 00:53) *

wait, we're still on leather talk?! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

though, imo, i still think Full Leg Leather Protection is better than 4x Protection +Deflection. this is my defense stats for non-forged full Leather Protection. all leather items are in my signature and none of them are Lmax. one of them are not even Mmax. though, my PMI is already 73.9% unforged. probably can reach 80% PMI for better Leather + medium forge. maybe 85%PMI is possible. though, i would love someone to actually do the math on it.

also, note that most Leather has <7 burden, so you can easily achieve 0 Burden for a "cheap" 10% evade bonus.

ps. i've a staff equip, so if you equip a rapier or 2H, your parry% will be better.

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You forgot the attack speed bonus. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
FYI, here is my leather set. I am lazy to reset the skill so I do not equip any related skill. i.e. attack speed bonus, crit chance, damage, etc.... should be higher.
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I think 80% PMI is not hard. However, 85% does not seems possible at my level.

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post Mar 7 2015, 19:08
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QUOTE(Colman @ Mar 7 2015, 19:03) *

You forgot the attack speed bonus. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
FYI, here is my leather set. I am lazy to reset the skill so I do not equip any related skill. i.e. attack speed bonus, crit chance, damage, etc.... should be higher.
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I think 80% PMI is not hard. However, 85% does not seems possible at my level.


i'm too lazy to reset skill equip. hence, cutting out attack speed. though, how forged are your leather set? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)
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post Mar 7 2015, 19:11
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just did a try myself: used 4 M-range protection pieces + 1 L PMI-range warding and had:

72.1% physical mitigation
63.9% magical mitigation
36.8% evade chance
0% block chance
71.5% parry chance
50.8% resist chance

not-so-different from yours. gap in parry is due to a parry-oriented DW set.
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post Mar 7 2015, 19:11
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QUOTE(malkatmp @ Mar 8 2015, 01:08) *

i'm too lazy to reset skill equip. hence, cutting out attack speed. though, how forged are your leather set? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

Light (5-10) forge. Most of the piece are random piece without checking their PMI. In fact, I have a few better pieces in reserve. Will IW them and renew my set when I have the mood to play HV again.

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QUOTE(Colman @ Mar 7 2015, 18:11) *

Light (5-10) forge. Most of the piece are random piece without checking their PMI. In fact, I have a few better pieces in reserve. Will IW them and renew my set when I have the mood to play HV again.

don't see the reason because 85% shouldn't be possible at your level
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