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post Feb 22 2015, 10:02
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QUOTE(forneus_zero @ Feb 22 2015, 16:00) *

nah I dont really mean "auction". Its more like automated selling features with set price e.g vending skills like in Ragnarok Online, Auction House in Dragon Nest etc etc. not in literal sense of bidding and such, this way I can search gears in game and buy them off from people without having to post/interact with people (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

There is only a bazaar in HV besides the forum. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
And remember, do not buy anything from there. It is a rubbish bin.

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post Feb 22 2015, 10:02
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who remembers? probably not (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

Just as I suspected! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

QUOTE(Colman @ Feb 22 2015, 10:29) *

That's strange. I do not think melee player need to train Ability Boost at all.

Mind that Heavy Armor Abilities eats up quite some AP. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

QUOTE(Colman @ Feb 22 2015, 10:29) *

I remember I only started training Ability Boost after I switch back to holy mage in the current patch. And level 100 is more than enough. The first ~150 levels is cheap, but take some time.

Holy/Dark Mages does not require much AP compared to Elemental Mages. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

QUOTE(Colman @ Feb 22 2015, 13:32) *

do not buy anything from there. It is a rubbish bin.

You sure? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

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post Feb 22 2015, 11:32
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1. What is the best race of monster in monster lab?

2. What is the best upgrades for Staff in IW?
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post Feb 22 2015, 11:34
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1. What is the best race of monster in monster lab?

2. What is the best upgrades for Staff in IW?

1. all same for PL < 1000
2. Eco for non-focus staff
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post Feb 22 2015, 11:39
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QUOTE(txop @ Feb 22 2015, 09:32) *
1. What is the best race of monster in monster lab?
Unless you spend millions and millions on millions on an individual monster (for it to start appearing in battle regularly), it's probably unimportant, since the vast majority of gifts will come from the 3-day limit rather than from battles won. If you really want to make a good low-level monster (by spending many chaos tokens), pick one with good endurance and damage, and upgrade primary stats only. Others have said that such monsters can be worth it, though I'm not completely convinced.
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post Feb 22 2015, 11:46
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QUOTE(tetron @ Feb 22 2015, 01:02) *

You sure? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

about the shop bot, do you always bid +1? Glad that you're maging
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post Feb 22 2015, 12:10
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QUOTE(Dead-ed @ Feb 22 2015, 11:46) *

about the shop bot, do you always bid +1? Glad that you're maging


It seems that +1 gets the job done, and I feel that sometimes the bazaar might have good equip items because, lets face it, if there are ppl who will sell their energy drinks to the bazaar to be bought up by our item shop bots, then there are idiots who will sell good gear to the bazaar, so I check it every once in a while to see if there are good gears in it.
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post Feb 22 2015, 12:14
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QUOTE(Dead-ed @ Feb 22 2015, 15:16) *

about the shop bot, do you always bid +1?

What do YOU think? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

QUOTE(Dead-ed @ Feb 22 2015, 15:16) *

Glad that you're maging

I don't use the bot for getting Melee bindings. For some reason, my monsters bring me melee bindings most of the time.
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post Feb 22 2015, 12:21
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QUOTE(m00sey @ Feb 22 2015, 10:10) *
It seems that +1 gets the job done, and I feel that sometimes the bazaar might have good equip items because, lets face it, if there are ppl who will sell their energy drinks to the bazaar to be bought up by our item shop bots, then there are idiots who will sell good gear to the bazaar, so I check it every once in a while to see if there are good gears in it.
It's true, sometimes there are. That's where I got

http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=3afa88de14

It's not amazing, but 30k in Bazaar is much better than 250k+ elsewhere.

I'm still very surprised the item shop bot even works (and is used by a good number of people at least occasionally) because it means there are a whole lot of morons losing out on half the credits they could get otherwise. I would really like to ask whoever's high bidding Bindings of Slaughter for 170,033 how many they've gotten from the bot, but I'm afraid the answer might decrease my impression of the average intelligence of players.
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post Feb 22 2015, 12:30
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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Feb 22 2015, 12:21) *

I would really like to ask whoever's high bidding Bindings of Slaughter for 170,033 how many they've gotten from the bot, but I'm afraid the answer might decrease my impression of the average intelligence of players.


lol
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post Feb 22 2015, 12:58
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QUOTE(tetron @ Feb 22 2015, 03:14) *

What do YOU think? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
I don't use the bot for getting Melee bindings. For some reason, my monsters bring me melee bindings most of the time.

i usually round up the last 3 digits. It used to be my source of nimble (<4k), isaac & balance (<8k)
QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Feb 22 2015, 03:21) *

It's true, sometimes there are. That's where I got

http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=3afa88de14

It's not amazing, but 30k in Bazaar is much better than 250k+ elsewhere.

I'm still very surprised the item shop bot even works (and is used by a good number of people at least occasionally) because it means there are a whole lot of morons losing out on half the credits they could get otherwise. I would really like to ask whoever's high bidding Bindings of Slaughter for 170,033 how many they've gotten from the bot, but I'm afraid the answer might decrease my impression of the average intelligence of players.

Disagree with 'moron'.
Note that for people with low language proficiency, englishing is tiresome & takes time alot. I believe they lack research & tend to avoid wiki's text wall & socialization in forum then go retarded. I did the same.
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post Feb 22 2015, 16:35
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Not always. My arthropod with all increase (even int with wis) have 17/4, second one with same way has 6/0 and finally last one with str/end pref has 0/0.

So it looks more lucky. Someone get it, someone not. F.e. even my elemental (very low str/dex/end) has 7/0.
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post Feb 22 2015, 17:01
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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Feb 22 2015, 18:21) *

It's true, sometimes there are. That's where I got

http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=3afa88de14

It's not amazing, but 30k in Bazaar is much better than 250k+ elsewhere.


I can't tell whether that piece looks familiar (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

Anyway, my inventory is almost full of crappy Superior stuff now. At least, I'm sure that most of it is crappy. But how do I efficiently decide whether to salvage, bazaar, or keep a particular piece of equipment for auction? It seems like it takes too much brain power to sort through hundreds of pieces of superior crap (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)


QUOTE(Dead-ed @ Feb 22 2015, 18:58) *

Disagree with 'moron'.
Note that for people with low language proficiency, englishing is tiresome & takes time alot. I believe they lack research & tend to avoid wiki's text wall & socialization in forum then go retarded. I did the same.


That makes sense. Maybe they make more credits from botting, and the 50% inefficiency of selling to item shop is negligible. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)
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post Feb 22 2015, 17:03
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QUOTE(nec1986 @ Feb 22 2015, 22:35) *

Not always. My arthropod with all increase (even int with wis) have 17/4, second one with same way has 6/0 and finally last one with str/end pref has 0/0.

So it looks more lucky. Someone get it, someone not. F.e. even my elemental (very low str/dex/end) has 7/0.

Daily win/kill is necessary to make the gifting interval noticeable faster . One win per week have no effect at all . The effect of a weekly win is even weaker than a single gift bonus upgrade by feeling .
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post Feb 22 2015, 18:04
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QUOTE(mozilla browser @ Feb 22 2015, 13:01) *

Anyway, my inventory is almost full of crappy Superior stuff now. At least, I'm sure that most of it is crappy. But how do I efficiently decide whether to salvage, bazaar, or keep a particular piece of equipment for auction? It seems like it takes too much brain power to sort through hundreds of pieces of superior crap (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)

I'm only keeping exquisite stuff atm, and maybe some shade and power stuff as well(I haven't got any Mags or Legs yet. .-.), as the market seems to be overfed with superior crap, and even exquisites are quite cheap as well.

Just get the equipment comparison script from the wiki(http://ehwiki.org/wiki/scripts). My way of separating stuff is by checking gear I think it's worth and looking at the stats it gives. If it's mostly S-, I just sell it to the bazaar. If it has some E- or E+, it already might be worth stocking if it isn't missing any good PABs. If the Es are just on one or two attributes, it might not be worth, but it's up to you to decide in the end.

Basically, you just have to create your own avaliation method. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

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post Feb 22 2015, 18:27
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QUOTE(mozilla browser @ Feb 22 2015, 20:31) *

Anyway, my inventory is almost full of crappy Superior stuff now. At least, I'm sure that most of it is crappy. But how do I efficiently decide whether to salvage, bazaar, or keep a particular piece of equipment for auction? It seems like it takes too much brain power to sort through hundreds of pieces of superior crap (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)

Superior grade equipments that I keep are 3PAB Ethereal Slaughter Rapiers, 4PAB Phase, 4PAB Shade Shadowdancer, 6PAB Shade Arcanist, 3PAB Power Slaughters. Mostly with ~310 PxP.

QUOTE(mozilla browser @ Feb 22 2015, 20:31) *

That makes sense. Maybe they make more credits from botting, and the 50% inefficiency of selling to item shop is negligible. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)

Nah. 50% loss is huge.

QUOTE(Colman @ Feb 22 2015, 20:33) *

Daily win/kill is necessary to make the gifting interval noticeable faster . One win per week have no effect at all . The effect of a weekly win is even weaker than a single gift bonus upgrade by feeling .

Daily Win/Kill becomes necessary only if you're going for PL-750+. For PL-400 and less, a mini army of roughly 30 monsters are satisfactory enough.

Personally, I like to keep my monsters at PL-200-249 range, so that if there's a big change in Monster Lab in the future, I can delete the monsters and start from scratch again.
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post Feb 22 2015, 19:11
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QUOTE(forneus_zero @ Feb 22 2015, 08:40) *

appreciated the help. Now I need to save up some credits to buy rapier and power set. How I wish there is an in-game auction house/markets aside from bazaar, I'm too lazy to browse wts forums and interact with people (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

if you don't mind Exq quality and don't want to search in many places, then just go here (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif)

QUOTE(tetron @ Feb 22 2015, 09:02) *

Mind that Heavy Armor Abilities eats up quite some AP. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

true. but they aren't all mandatory: slashing lv1 is cheap so nice to have, but there isn't much difference between piercing lv2/piercing lv3 and HP lv8/HP lv9 (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

QUOTE(m00sey @ Feb 22 2015, 11:10) *

I feel that sometimes the bazaar might have good equip items because, lets face it, if there are ppl who will sell their energy drinks to the bazaar to be bought up by our item shop bots, then there are idiots who will sell good gear to the bazaar, so I check it every once in a while to see if there are good gears in it.

aye-aye. i found a really nice shade helmet of shadowdancer once. EMax Crit, MMax AGI and it only costed 50k (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)

QUOTE(tetron @ Feb 22 2015, 11:14) *

I don't use the bot for getting Melee bindings. For some reason, my monsters bring me melee bindings most of the time.

interesting (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif)

QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Feb 22 2015, 11:21) *

It's true, sometimes there are. That's where I got

http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=3afa88de14

It's not amazing, but 30k in Bazaar is much better than 250k+ elsewhere.

i know that feeliing (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Feb 22 2015, 11:21) *

I'm still very surprised the item shop bot even works (and is used by a good number of people at least occasionally) because it means there are a whole lot of morons losing out on half the credits they could get otherwise. I would really like to ask whoever's high bidding Bindings of Slaughter for 170,033 how many they've gotten from the bot, but I'm afraid the answer might decrease my impression of the average intelligence of players.

your answer is here:
QUOTE(Dead-ed @ Feb 22 2015, 11:58) *

Note that for people with low language proficiency, englishing is tiresome & takes time alot. I believe they lack research & tend to avoid wiki's text wall & socialization in forum then go retarded. I did the same.

laziness? low abilities? sociopaths? whatever, but some people don't really want to post in the forum. there may be more lv500 and/or more FOSers than what we think, but we don't know it for sure (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

QUOTE(tetron @ Feb 22 2015, 17:27) *

Superior grade equipments that I keep are 4PAB Phase

mind you, they are all obsoletes. and please tell me if you have a phase of priestess or another proficiency (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool2.gif)
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post Feb 22 2015, 19:51
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Feb 22 2015, 22:41) *

mind you, they are all obsoletes.

Yep. but I still get them from time to time through the Bazaar. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)

QUOTE(Scremaz @ Feb 22 2015, 22:41) *

and please tell me if you have a phase of priestess or another proficiency (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool2.gif)

May be. I'm too sleepy to check right now.
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QUOTE(tetron @ Feb 22 2015, 18:51) *

Yep. but I still get them from time to time through the Bazaar. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)

it seems everyone gets oldies from bazaar (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)
most i can find these days are some crude/fair elemental suffix armors (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/anime_cry.gif)

QUOTE(tetron @ Feb 22 2015, 18:51) *

May be. I'm too sleepy to check right now.

i will surely remember you every now and then (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif)
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post Feb 22 2015, 21:37
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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Feb 22 2015, 21:21) *

It's true, sometimes there are. That's where I got

http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=3afa88de14

It's not amazing, but 30k in Bazaar is much better than 250k+ elsewhere.

I'm still very surprised the item shop bot even works (and is used by a good number of people at least occasionally) because it means there are a whole lot of morons losing out on half the credits they could get otherwise. I would really like to ask whoever's high bidding Bindings of Slaughter for 170,033 how many they've gotten from the bot, but I'm afraid the answer might decrease my impression of the average intelligence of players.


Meh, when people are rich enough to drop hundred of millions into monsters that won't pay themselves back in 10 years, they are willing to pay extra for the convenience of not having to deal with greedy, unreliable, fickle, and slow human sellers.

I know some H@H-er would even buy crystal from item shop, rather than WTB/WTS at half price just so they could keep the economy from inflating.

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