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who said that there aren't dangerous slashing attacks?

39 10 Fire Spirit uses Slash, and crits you for 2920 slashing damage
39 9 Your spirit shield absorbs 9777 points of damage from the attack into 131 points of spirit damage.

using my DW shade set, with 64% PMI and 22% slashing


the mob is (@PF RE, lv335):

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Scanning Fire Spirit...
HP: 147073/151476     MP: 585/912     SP: 374/940
Monster Class:    Undead, Power Level 1258
Monster Trainer:  ChosenUno
Melee Attack:     Slashing
Fire: +16%        Cold: +63%        Elec: +61%
Wind: +63%        Holy: +16%        Dark: +63%
Crushing: +25%    Slashing: +0%     Piercing: +25%

note that this attack is in the same range of FSM, tsukiko and powerful celestial's SP ones

This post has been edited by Scremaz: Feb 18 2015, 14:53

Well with PA, using imperil also adds:
18% damage if the mob has 60% mitigation
21% damage if the mob has 70% mitigation (my estimate for most mobs)
25% damage if the mob has 80% mitigation (max)

So if it takes more than 6 turns to kill a mob, you aren't losing any time (less so if you hit more than one mob with imperil).

Hmm, how do you calculate that? Taking the example of mob with 70% PMi,

With PA, this is reduced to 70%/4 = 17.5% PMi.
With PA and Imperil, this is reduced to 17.5%/2 = 8.75% PMi.
So, additional damage should be (1-8.75%)/(1-17.5%)-1 ~ 10.6%

Well, this doesn't account for Imperil's reduction of elemental mitigation, but we all have holy/dark strike right? So with a few more AP invested in Holy/Dark Imperil, we'd get -25% reduction in specific mitigation. But I don't know how to figure for that.

Well, let's say he has m specific mitigaiton. Addtitional damage for elemental strike would be
[(1-8.75%)(1-3m/4)]/[(1-17.5%)(1-m)]
If m is 75% (max), I figure this is 18.5% But the elemental strike is a small part of total damage?

Hmm, how do you calculate that? Taking the example of mob with 70% PMi,

With PA, this is reduced to 70%/4 = 17.5% PMi.
With PA and Imperil, this is reduced to 17.5%/2 = 8.75% PMi.
So, additional damage should be (1-8.75%)/(1-17.5%)-1 ~ 10.6%

Well, this doesn't account for Imperil's reduction of elemental mitigation, but we all have holy/dark strike right? So with a few more AP invested in Holy/Dark Imperil, we'd get -25% reduction in specific mitigation. But I don't know how to figure for that.

Well, let's say he has m specific mitigaiton. Addtitional damage for elemental strike would be
[(1-8.75%)(1-3m/4)]/[(1-17.5%)(1-m)]
If m is 75% (max), I figure this is 18.5% But the elemental strike is a small part of total damage?

I believe there was a patch which capped the mitigation to -100%, which seems to imply that it is linear, so 75% + 50% from imperil is 100%.

After reading all you guys writing about how tough is a school girl in PF. I was thinking am I remember wrongly or school was buffed.
Then, I switch back to melee with my poor melee gear and test it in 225 arena.

Here is some screen shot.

Konata:

Non-Konata


Is it that hard? Konata mostly killed at turn 10 or 11. Other mostly kill within 20-25. No OFC. Not even have suitable spike shield for maximize the damage.

Will post my gears soon.


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OMG, forgot to wear my Shield. Still find it easy (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)


This post has been edited by Colman: Feb 18 2015, 15:35

savage power armor of slaughter? interesting (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif)

who said that there aren't dangerous slashing attacks?
using my DW shade set, with 64% PMI and 22% slashing
the mob is (@PF RE, lv335):

CODE

Scanning Fire Spirit...
HP: 147073/151476     MP: 585/912     SP: 374/940
Monster Class:    Undead, Power Level 1258
Monster Trainer:  ChosenUno
Melee Attack:     Slashing
Fire: +16%        Cold: +63%        Elec: +61%
Wind: +63%        Holy: +16%        Dark: +63%
Crushing: +25%    Slashing: +0%     Piercing: +25%

note that this attack is in the same range of FSM, tsukiko and powerful celestial's SP ones

Hmm, I got hit by his 'Slash' attack earlier today while using my 1h power set, with 63.4% PMi and 44.8% Slashing mitigation.

He hit me for 3714 slashing damage, and spirit shield absorbed 1959 points into 21 points of spirit damage. So, I figure the full damage before spirit shield was for 5673 points. 5673/[(1-44.8%)(1-63.4%)] = 28079 for the full hit.

In your case, the full damage before spirit shield was for 12696 points. 12697/[(1-22%)(1-64%)] = 45217.

I guess the difference is due to crit + random roll for greater damage, and to difference in specific mitigation.

In contrast, Tsukiko's Senpai Wa Hentai... skill hit me for a total of 13334 points before spirit shield. My MMi is 59.8% and no void mitigation. 13334/(1-59.8%) = 33169. So my conclusion is that it is so deadly precisely because it is void and we have no specific mitigation.

Hmm, I got hit by his 'Slash' attack earlier today while using my 1h power set, with 63.4% PMi and 44.8% Slashing mitigation.

He hit me for 3714 slashing damage, and spirit shield absorbed 1959 points into 21 points of spirit damage. So, I figure the full damage before spirit shield was for 5673 points. 5673/[(1-44.8%)(1-63.4%)] = 28079 for the full hit.

In your case, the full damage before spirit shield was for 12696 points. 12697/[(1-22%)(1-64%)] = 45217.

I guess the difference is due to crit + random roll for greater damage, and to difference in specific mitigation.

whatever. now think what would have happened if there was a kind of armor weak to slashing (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

In contrast, Tsukiko's Senpai Wa Hentai... skill hit me for a total of 13334 points before spirit shield. My MMi is 59.8% and no void mitigation. 13334/(1-59.8%) = 33169. So my conclusion is that it is so deadly precisely because it is void and we have no specific mitigation.

yep. that's the reason because many people are training celestials, sprites or daimons, for their SP void attacks. and stony chose a sprite because they have the highest possible SP attacks, albeit they are the weakest possible enemies

After reading all you guys writing about how tough is a school girl in PF. I was thinking am I remember wrongly or school was buffed.
Then, I switch back to melee with my poor melee gear and test it in 225 arena.

OP gear is OP. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)

all joking aside, being high(er) lvl & with perks (IA1-4, VV, EE, SS, DD, etc) helps out a lot. imagine players ~100lvls lower than you with Exq 2PAB non-forged slaughter gear. probably, 1500 less ADB & less block/PMI/MMI/evade. the 225 arena can still hurts a lot.

1- When you are building a Holy Mage set, do you collect Heaven-sent equipments or Heimdall equipments? Or is having a mix of then good?

2- And is this Elec set good (anything need to change or buy) and since I have no good Elec Staff at the moment - What staff do i need to buy for an Elec Mage with the set?

Cap
Robe
Gloves
Pants
Shoes

To be noted that the Robe, Pants and Shoes obtained for free from Yakamoz moon, so i dunno if they are that good since got them for free...

The cap and gloves purchased in Auctions.

After reading all you guys writing about how tough is a school girl in PF. I was thinking am I remember wrongly or school was buffed.
Then, I switch back to melee with my poor melee gear and test it in 225 arena.

Here is some screen shot.

Konata:

Non-Konata


Is it that hard? Konata mostly killed at turn 10 or 11. Other mostly kill within 20-25. No OFC. Not even have suitable spike shield for maximize the damage.

Will post my gears soon.


weapon
head
hands
body
leg
boots

OMG, forgot to wear my Shield. Still find it easy (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

If all that is poor shit gear im sad and worse off than poor. Im in all mag+leg power of warding, protection and one 3pab exq slaughter. I have higher pmi mmi 70ish, around 25-30 in all magicals resists. 44&40 block&parry. Just shy of 5k melee base dmg. I get gibbed so fast on pfudor in everything that isnt T&T or less (which still can kill me if im unlucky) IA3 is the only perk i enjoy and i only play on great stamina.

OP gear is OP. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)

all joking aside, being high(er) lvl & with perks (IA1-4, VV, EE, SS, DD, etc) helps out a lot. imagine players ~100lvls lower than you with Exq 2PAB non-forged slaughter gear. probably, 1500 less ADB & less block/PMI/MMI/evade. the 225 arena can still hurts a lot.

There is a dissonance here somewhere and malkatmps must be correct why its so hard.

This post has been edited by smurf123: Feb 18 2015, 16:24

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They're only moderately forged and your PF already look like mine @hell. No wonder grindfest is your playground.

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A question.
Which expenses in HV training or hath perk that gives better return for casual gamer like me (2 to 4 arenas a day) and which one that gives most fun? I'm thinking of buying crystarium 1 since monster coughing more crystal than usual would look fun. But in the other hand, my armor is still crap, my weapon is non-IW-ed junk, it won't be fun if I'm killed at 100th round of grindfest.

all joking aside, being high(er) lvl & with perks (IA1-4, VV, EE, SS, DD, etc) helps out a lot. imagine players ~100lvls lower than you with Exq 2PAB non-forged slaughter gear. probably, 1500 less ADB & less block/PMI/MMI/evade. the 225 arena can still hurts a lot.

Actually, now that I've tried it, with my meh non-forged slaughter gear, doing the same thing Colman was doing, Konata takes me an average of 14-15 rounds when I'm using SS and Imperil and Vital Strike. So, about as expected.

I think the problem is that I almost always have spirit stance off and 95% of the time I turn my OC into mana instead of using the OC abilities, so when I'm worried about mana conservation (which is what I was remembering) it takes me a whole lot longer than it would were I just aiming to kill ASAP.

1- When you are building a Holy Mage set, do you collect Heaven-sent equipments or Heimdall equipments? Or is having a mix of then good?

See the discussion over the past week or two...

https://forums.e-hentai.org/index.php?s=&am...t&p=3810625

https://forums.e-hentai.org/index.php?s=&am...t&p=3810845

https://forums.e-hentai.org/index.php?s=&am...t&p=3811346

https://forums.e-hentai.org/index.php?s=&am...t&p=3827363

What it seems to boil down to is, if you're rich and are a very high level, 5 phase is probably best, but if you're not (and if you don't have proficiency perk), using one or two cotton for proficiency can be more cost effective (also forgable without requiring expensive Phazons).

Look for around Emax EDB in phase, otherwise it probably isn't worth buying.

If all that is poor shit gear im sad and worse off than poor. Im in all mag+leg power of warding, protection and one 3pab exq slaughter. I have higher pmi mmi 70ish, around 25-30 in all magicals resists. 44&40 block&parry. Just shy of 5k melee base dmg. I get gibbed so fast on pfudor in everything that isnt T&T or less (which still can kill me if im unlucky) IA3 is the only perk i enjoy and i only play on great stamina.

I'm assuming you use Spirit Shield? Is the problem that you lose spirit too quickly and 15 pots aren't enough to sustain you for a long arena? I would think that at your level you should be able to focus on damage (Power Slaughter) rather than survivability if you wanted.

This post has been edited by Superlatanium: Feb 18 2015, 16:55

Actually, now that I've tried it, with my meh non-forged slaughter gear, doing the same thing Colman was doing, Konata takes me an average of 14-15 rounds when I'm using SS and Imperil and Vital Strike. So, about as expected.

I think the problem is that I almost always have spirit stance off and 95% of the time I turn my OC into mana instead of using the OC abilities, so when I'm worried about mana conservation (which is what I was remembering) it takes me a whole lot longer than it would were I just aiming to kill ASAP.

Kill faster is in fact saving more mp then using spirit stance for supportive spell only.

1- When you are building a Holy Mage set, do you collect Heaven-sent equipments or Heimdall equipments? Or is having a mix of then good?

2- And is this Elec set good (anything need to change or buy) and since I have no good Elec Staff at the moment - What staff do i need to buy for an Elec Mage with the set?

Cap
Robe
Gloves
Pants
Shoes

To be noted that the Robe, Pants and Shoes obtained for free from Yakamoz moon, so i dunno if they are that good since got them for free...

The cap and gloves purchased in Auctions.

no staff? take a look here then (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif)

Kill faster is in fact saving more mp then using spirit stance for supportive spell only.

Yes, SS double damage is well worth it for that, but I Focus as well. So 12 turns turns into 50 turns if I'm trying to finish DwD before running out of mana (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif) After doing it a few times I concluded it takes so long that it isn't worth the tedium unless I really have absolutely nothing better to do, even though DwD is by far the best battle series for exp.

(in other words: just ignore me, I'm dumb)

This post has been edited by Superlatanium: Feb 18 2015, 17:33

So 12 turns turns into 50 turns

[en.wikipedia.org] peter piper picked a peck of pickled pepper...

After doing it a few times I concluded it takes so long that it isn't worth the tedium unless I really have absolutely nothing better to do

aye. every now and then i try myself, but i see only HP and buff duration decreasing as well

[edit]: oh, and it seems that now i'm the second top spammer in this thread (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

This post has been edited by Scremaz: Feb 18 2015, 18:16

Yes, SS double damage is well worth it for that, but I Focus as well. So 12 turns turns into 50 turns if I'm trying to finish DwD before running out of mana (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif) After doing it a few times I concluded it takes so long that it isn't worth the tedium unless I really have absolutely nothing better to do, even though DwD is by far the best battle series for exp.

(in other words: just ignore me, I'm dumb)

you can always do DwD @Hell for the credits (~20k) + Trophies (~20k) + drops

who said that there aren't dangerous slashing attacks?
using my DW shade set, with 64% PMI and 22% slashing
the mob is (@PF RE, lv335):

CODE

Scanning Fire Spirit...
HP: 147073/151476     MP: 585/912     SP: 374/940
Monster Class:    Undead, Power Level 1258
Monster Trainer:  ChosenUno
Melee Attack:     Slashing
Fire: +16%        Cold: +63%        Elec: +61%
Wind: +63%        Holy: +16%        Dark: +63%
Crushing: +25%    Slashing: +0%     Piercing: +25%

note that this attack is in the same range of FSM, tsukiko and powerful celestial's SP ones

Late to the party, buuut...

Undead's 3rd attack has an option to be either physical or magical.
I bet Fire Spirit is configured to have a "Magical Slashing" skill.

The Melee Attack in the scan is not the attack type you are hit with when the monster uses a special attack.

Undead can have any combination of
Physical/Magical
or
Slashing/Crushing/Dark

Late to the party, buuut...

Undead's 3rd attack has an option to be either physical or magical.
I bet Fire Spirit is configured to have a "Magical Slashing" skill.

The Melee Attack in the scan is not the attack type you are hit with when the monster uses a special attack.

Undead can have any combination of
Physical/Magical
or
Slashing/Crushing/Dark

yeah, i know it. and personally, i would've surely chosen magical, but wouldn't the log have showed 'Fire Spirit casts whatever-the-attack-is' at that point?

Hey guys, I'm wanting to iw my staff:

http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=c36005d857

And I was wondering if anyone would loan me a decent staff to iw it with. I had a nice exq but it just wasnt cutting it after lvl 170

EDIT: thank you arialinnoc for the loan

This post has been edited by m00sey: Feb 18 2015, 20:34