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imo, the Mage start out cost is a bit high & require more perks. in order to be a somewhat compentant mage (in terms @Hell), you'll probably need a few million credits. however, you still can't do most bottom 2nd pg Arena @PF.

on the other hand, if you spend the same amount on 1H, you can clear all non-SG arena's @PF. probably, even the 1st &2nd SG @PF too.

If you spend 100k on bazaar-level gear you can clear all arenas at PF as long as your level is 300+ as 1h. (including DwD) Though, it will take a very long time.

What is the fastest way to level deprecating proficiency? All the deprecating skills seem to have cooldown and a fairly high mana cost.

What is the fastest way to level deprecating proficiency? All the deprecating skills seem to have cooldown and a fairly high mana cost.

Faster Weaken. 0 cooldown, unlocked at level 250, so you should have it. Mana cost is quite low (half of Cure).

Still, that's not necessarily a good thing - the lower mana cost, the lower the chance of getting proficiency each turn.

Use Spellspam and your useless Greater mana potions and play at Normal or in a Crude item world.

To save time, look at how often you gain proficiency each turn. If it's less than 1 out of every 3 turns or so, get equipment with more interference so mana costs are higher, so you can earn the nearly same amount of proficiency in fewer rounds.

just finished nintendo EoD and earned a magnificent buckler of protection. wow. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)
quite crappy, but at least it's surely worth 10k of HG

also, this is my waki. back then i wasn't able to find a hallowed of nimble with better stats (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

just finished nintendo EoD and earned a magnificent buckler of protection. wow. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)
quite crappy, but at least it's surely worth 10k of HG

Eve of Death or End of Days?

I love Eve of Death. Both of my Legs dropped there, the first was on Hell, the 2nd on Nintendo.

Eve of Death or End of Days?

end of days. i was trying dw shade, it wasn't so bad. 2MP/1SP with, only 2 cures and 1OFC in final round. next time i'll try on IWTBH i guess

I love Eve of Death. Both of my Legs dropped there, the first was on Hell, the 2nd on Nintendo.

my only leg dropped on PF T&T, iirc. a katana of balance with crappy ACC. but all the other stats are nice to godlike (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

So apparently I need a "Defense Matrix Modulator" in order to upgrade my Force Shield.

I see that people have these for sale, but I don't know how to get them. I salvaged a few crappy force shields thinking that they might be a % drop from those, but I guess not. Can anyone throw me a bone here?

So apparently I need a "Defense Matrix Modulator" in order to upgrade my Force Shield.

I see that people have these for sale, but I don't know how to get them. I salvaged a few crappy force shields thinking that they might be a % drop from those, but I guess not. Can anyone throw me a bone here?

monster lab, shops or previously-upgraded shields (not base ones)

So apparently I need a "Defense Matrix Modulator" in order to upgrade my Force Shield.

I see that people have these for sale, but I don't know how to get them. I salvaged a few crappy force shields thinking that they might be a % drop from those, but I guess not. Can anyone throw me a bone here?

Since DMMs cost a good amount, make sure that the shield you're planning on upgrading is worth it first. Better to spend 300k for 6 DMMs on a 600k piece than on a 50k piece, for example.

Can anyone throw me a bone here?

We have a wiki you know...

Since DMMs cost a good amount, make sure that the shield you're planning on upgrading is worth it first. Better to spend 300k for 6 DMMs on a 600k piece than on a 50k piece, for example.

Right, but if I salvage the item when I'm done with it, I get back everything I used in upgrading it except for the catalysts, right?

I did check the wiki first. I also skimmed through the spam thread about "what did you get from salvaging stuff" just to make sure I hadn't had horrible luck with the 4-5 force shields I broke trying to get a module.

Seems like some people have gotten all the bindings and etc they put into their items back by salvaging, so I figure I may as well get the first 5 levels worth of upgrades put on my so-so Exquisite / Superior gear and just salvage it for parts when I'm able to afford Legendary stuff. I damn sure can't afford bindings yet, but maybe upgrading my gear to level 5 universally will let me cruise through Battletoads as easily as I now cruise through Nintendo. That seems like it would really upgrade my earning power - if nothing else it would double my crystals.

Right, but if I salvage the item when I'm done with it, I get back everything I used in upgrading it except for the catalysts, right?

I did check the wiki first. I also skimmed through the spam thread about "what did you get from salvaging stuff" just to make sure I hadn't had horrible luck with the 4-5 force shields I broke trying to get a module.

http://ehwiki.org/wiki/The_Forge#Salvage

Seems like some people have gotten all the bindings and etc they put into their items back by salvaging

If that's true then the well-known 90% formula must be wrong. Do you remember who?

so I figure I may as well get the first 5 levels worth of upgrades put on my so-so Exquisite / Superior gear and just salvage it for parts when I'm able to afford Legendary stuff. I damn sure can't afford bindings yet, but maybe upgrading my gear to level 5 universally will let me cruise through Battletoads as easily as I now cruise through Nintendo. That seems like it would really upgrade my earning power - if nothing else it would double my crystals.

Sure, upgrading to level 5 will give you an all-around boost of 8% or so on equipment bonuses (and a bit more for weapon damage), so since you get most materials back from salvaging it's a good idea to forge a bit even if the equip is only decent but not amazing.

That's true for standard equipment, but not so for popular and strong equipment like power, phase, and force shields, for which additional special items are required for each new top equipment level (eg. to upgrade everything to 5 you need 5 special materials). So for those things, it's a lot more important to have a valuable initial equip than for standard ones that don't require special materials.

Edit: Also remember that there are only a few bindings that are actually pretty expensive, like Slaughter. Most are pretty cheap, in the 1k-10k range (though of course that low price reflects their less-usefulness).

This post has been edited by Superlatanium: Feb 13 2015, 01:50

Also remember that there are only a few bindings that are actually pretty expensive, like Slaughter. Most are pretty cheap, in the 1k-10k range (though of course that low price reflects their less-usefulness).

never understood why barrier, nimble and turtle are so cheap...

never understood why barrier, nimble and turtle are so cheap...

Because they're available in large quantities.

This post has been edited by boulay: Feb 13 2015, 02:03

Because they're available in large quantities.

true enough. to not think about it, it seems i really need to go to sleep (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

[edit]: and don't try to change your version, you wrote:

Because they're widely spread.

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This post has been edited by Scremaz: Feb 13 2015, 02:04

true enough. to not think about it, it seems i really need to go to sleep (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

[edit]: and don't try to change your version, you wrote:
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It's late here too, my pupils are a bit heavy now... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/faint.gif)

never understood why barrier, nimble and turtle are so cheap...

Barrier and Nimble can only be put in one slot usually - shield or mainhand, so it makes sense that there isn't a ton of demand, since they also don't help your clear speed a whole lot, and so higher level upgrades are mostly a luxury, unless you're intent on something like PFUDORfest. They help 1h survive, but 1h doesn't need much to survive anyway.

Turtle for endurance cost a similar amount, a bit less than 10k. Endurance is nice if you're having problems surviving, but high level players who drive the market probably don't (unless they're using a less popular build like leather/shade) since 1h/heavy power slaughter is already so strong (which sometimes are used even without END stat at all). And mages don't have any endurance to upgrade, of course. So I can understand Turtle's price.

This similar thought process can probably explain the other prices as well. Everyone wants to upgrade damage as much as they possibly can, so (damage / mdamage) bindings are more expensive, as well as (str / dex / intel) bindings which can go on all armor slots - the other defensive ones like for end and evade are a bit less, since defense is usually less of a priority, even though they can also go on all slots.

yet both slaughter and destruction had their prices lowered a bit: i remember both costed roughly 250k when i started...

yet both slaughter and destruction had their prices lowered a bit: i remember both costed roughly 250k when i started...

people abandoned their hope (?)

i believe this game was way more interesting at that time.

This post has been edited by Dead-ed: Feb 13 2015, 11:18

people abandoned their hope (?)

i believe this game is way more interesting than now.

or maybe the first five free upgrades made their prices lower, dunno. on the other hand, actuators and matrixes prices rose