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Feb 9 2015, 20:23
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LipH
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Thanks Scremaz and malkatmp for your help. I will fix the DEX, train Pack Rat and save money for a better Equipment.
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Feb 10 2015, 00:54
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Cleavs
Group: Gold Star Club
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Feb 10 2015, 07:42
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tetron
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QUOTE(VriskaSerket @ Feb 8 2015, 18:44)  still not seen Katalox staff better that my willow one. QUOTE(VriskaSerket @ Feb 8 2015, 19:12)  still not seen better than my Oak one. Seems like you despise Katalox. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif) QUOTE(TygerTyger @ Feb 8 2015, 20:32)  Not as much as I do. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif) I know a psychiatrist, if that's what you want... (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) QUOTE(Scremaz @ Feb 8 2015, 20:35)  you have holes in your head (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) Fixed. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif) QUOTE(Scremaz @ Feb 8 2015, 20:35)  Oh come on. Be honest. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) QUOTE(malkatmp @ Feb 8 2015, 22:11)  though, when should we start panicking about the new patch? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) When it happens. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif) QUOTE(m118w11 @ Feb 9 2015, 16:22)  4 (max)
I barely reach 2 turns/sec at the best times. Usually it's 1.2 ~ 1.5 turns/sec. I'd like to see how good is the 4 T/S someday. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) QUOTE(malkatmp @ Feb 9 2015, 17:38)  mmax Evade/EBD + Mystic (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif) probably, a decent amount. but don't know how much. PABs matter a lot, and that piece's PABs are horrendous.
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Feb 10 2015, 09:22
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nec1986
Group: Gold Star Club
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You can easy see it than fight pf fsm with full buff and pressed down number key. Its exactly 4t/s. Probably schoolgirls is also quite high, but even 3 t/s is almost impossible (at least i couldnt get that high amount). At the same time i was really concentrated and at the end thought "uh, that was laborious, lets see result...rly, 2.7?". Its not so big difference. Lets say we wanna do 14000 turns. We can watch movie and finish in 2hours or faster or we can play with full concentration and finish in 1.5 hours (14000/2.7*3600).
So for fast clear its better to do few other things: 1. Check browser in that fsm clear type or something similar. Some is just very slow. 2. Use addon like hoverplay and check speed of it and also NoPopup.
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Feb 10 2015, 09:49
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Superlatanium
Group: Gold Star Club
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QUOTE(nec1986 @ Feb 10 2015, 01:22)  You can easy see it than fight pf fsm with full buff and pressed down number key. Its exactly 4t/s. Probably schoolgirls is also quite high, but even 3 t/s is almost impossible (at least i couldnt get that high amount). At the same time i was really concentrated and at the end thought "uh, that was laborious, lets see result...rly, 2.7?". Its not so big difference. Lets say we wanna do 14000 turns. We can watch movie and finish in 2hours or faster or we can play with full concentration and finish in 1.5 hours (14000/2.7*3600).
So for fast clear its better to do few other things: 1. Check browser in that fsm clear type or something similar. Some is just very slow. 2. Use addon like hoverplay and check speed of it and also NoPopup.
A related problem I've seen is that Tampermonkey (with Chrome) eventually starts eating up too much CPU and memory after a large number of pages have been loaded. For instance, if I play T+T and Eve of Death, my maximum turn speed via holding down number keys drops by 1/3 or 1/2 (often see "Waiting for extension Tampermonkey" rather than only "Waiting for hentaiverse.org", and Tampermonkey's memory usage has gone from 30k or so to 100k+). I tried to mitigate this by using only HV Keybinds (essential, can't remove), but the problem still occurs. The only solution is to restart the browser - I couldn't figure out if there was a way to force garbage collection. Maybe similar problems happen in other browsers with userscripts.
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Feb 10 2015, 09:55
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Colman
Group: Gold Star Club
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Joined: 15-November 10

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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Feb 10 2015, 15:49)  A related problem I've seen is that Tampermonkey (with Chrome) eventually starts eating up too much CPU and memory after a large number of pages have been loaded. For instance, if I play T+T and Eve of Death, my maximum turn speed via holding down number keys drops by 1/3 or 1/2 (often see "Waiting for extension Tampermonkey" rather than only "Waiting for hentaiverse.org", and Tampermonkey's memory usage has gone from 30k or so to 100k+). I tried to mitigate this by using only HV Keybinds (essential, can't remove), but the problem still occurs. The only solution is to restart the browser - I couldn't figure out if there was a way to force garbage collection. Maybe similar problems happen in other browsers with userscripts.
That's the reason for me (and some others) using older version of chrome/iron.
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Feb 10 2015, 10:15
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nec1986
Group: Gold Star Club
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Btw, I noticed some threshold of stat (strange why only now). I mean it looks quite obvious, f.e. block is better than phys defense, because block reduce full any phys/magical damage. But i checked and 5% additional block gives me lower than 5% additional phys defense. I dont even say about how hard to get that 5% block and how easy to get 5% phys defense to me.
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Feb 10 2015, 10:30
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n125
Group: Gold Star Club
Posts: 6,282
Joined: 23-May 08

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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Feb 9 2015, 23:49)  A related problem I've seen is that Tampermonkey (with Chrome) eventually starts eating up too much CPU and memory after a large number of pages have been loaded. For instance, if I play T+T and Eve of Death, my maximum turn speed via holding down number keys drops by 1/3 or 1/2 (often see "Waiting for extension Tampermonkey" rather than only "Waiting for hentaiverse.org", and Tampermonkey's memory usage has gone from 30k or so to 100k+). I tried to mitigate this by using only HV Keybinds (essential, can't remove), but the problem still occurs. The only solution is to restart the browser - I couldn't figure out if there was a way to force garbage collection. Maybe similar problems happen in other browsers with userscripts.
That's a common issue with Tampermonkey around here. Chrome and its derivatives have native support for userscripts, so it's better to use that instead of Tampermonkey unless you absolutely need it for some reason.
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Feb 10 2015, 14:15
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mysticks
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Sooo~ Started playing recently and quite surprised how a simple game can turn out to be a fun grindfest. However I've been facing quite the wall from IW :/
Current Stats Setup (Level 70 Champion Noob) STR +73 (+63) DEX +70 (+29) AGI +65 (+41) END +73 (+12) INT +0 (+00) (Dam unenducated Melee douche) WIS +60 (+00) (At least he's wise)
Equipment Setup Weapon: Exq Longsword of Slaughter (+404 Slashing Damage) (Hehe... 404 Damage not found) [Emergency Weapon]: Superior Mace of Slaughter (+292 Crush Damage)
Helmet : Exq Ruby Leather Helmet of Protection Body : Mag Ruby Leather Breastplate of Protection Hands : Exq Leather Gauntlets of Protection Legging: Superior Leather Leggings of Protection Feet : Superior Shade Boots of the Fleet (Planning to replace with at least Sup Protection)
(First post disallow links... icrieverytiem )
Ability Setup (Just because I'm that guy who's actually lazy to screenshot and type instead) [Passive] HP Tank Lvl 3 MP Tank Lvl 3 SP Tank Lvl 2 Better HP Pot Lvl 3 (Whoops...) 2H Damage Lvl1 2H Accuracy Lvl1 Light Acc Lvl1(Max) Light Crit Lvl2 Light HP/MP Lvl2
[Active Skill Boosts] Better Haste Lvl1 Better Regen Lvl2 Better Cure Lvl3(Max) Better Protection Lvl2
Now for the question! Since I see that Weapon/Armor gradually get better upon increasing item lvl from IW... I plan to start clearing the one with Exquisite Rarity... however it seems that the number of rounds is just too much for me...(Technically in GrindFest too). Is it wise to get a superior weapon first, raise the power through IW and then start raising the Exquisite one after the Superior one is off the chart? or just make changes and destroy "Exquisite" level IW?
Second Question. thank cthulu for the random encounter they give! I was able to farm off tons of exp from it however i can only clear it up to BT(x12) with near zero item waste and IWBTH(x15) using multiple heroic pot. Is it too greedy for me to start aiming for dem "Smiles" (x20)? or i was actually stupid for not using it?
Final Question (and you think it's finally over :x...) As you've seen my melee is an uneducated 0 INT douche... at what rate should i start raising my stats for a melee setup such as mine? (Checked the wiki, seems rather... an impossible rate on low level)
That's All! Thanks in advance :3
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Feb 10 2015, 14:54
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TygerTyger
Group: Gold Star Club
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Joined: 6-January 11

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QUOTE(mysticks @ Feb 10 2015, 23:15)  snip
I keep all stats even except int -10, everyone else can give opinions on IWing. (If you really want something IW'd I'll do it for 25k for one item) This post has been edited by TygerTyger: Feb 10 2015, 14:54
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Feb 10 2015, 15:13
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Cleavs
Group: Gold Star Club
Posts: 24,317
Joined: 18-January 07

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QUOTE(mysticks @ Feb 10 2015, 13:15)  Sooo~ Started playing recently and quite surprised how a simple game can turn out to be a fun grindfest. However I've been facing quite the wall from IW :/
everyone thinks so at first (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) QUOTE(mysticks @ Feb 10 2015, 13:15)  INT +0 (+00) (Dam unenducated Melee douche) WIS +60 (+00) (At least he's wise)
Equipment Setup Weapon: Exq Longsword of Slaughter (+404 Slashing Damage) (Hehe... 404 Damage not found) [Emergency Weapon]: Superior Mace of Slaughter (+292 Crush Damage)
lol, a funny newbie (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) QUOTE(mysticks @ Feb 10 2015, 13:15)  Helmet : Exq Ruby Leather Helmet of Protection Body : Mag Ruby Leather Breastplate of Protection Hands : Exq Leather Gauntlets of Protection Legging: Superior Leather Leggings of Protection Feet : Superior Shade Boots of the Fleet (Planning to replace with at least Sup Protection)
how many PABs on these? do they all have END? also, you may keep those boots if they have at least good AGI/DEX and 3 PABs QUOTE(mysticks @ Feb 10 2015, 13:15)  Now for the question! Since I see that Weapon/Armor gradually get better upon increasing item lvl from IW... I plan to start clearing the one with Exquisite Rarity... however it seems that the number of rounds is just too much for me...(Technically in GrindFest too). Is it wise to get a superior weapon first, raise the power through IW and then start raising the Exquisite one after the Superior one is off the chart? or just make changes and destroy "Exquisite" level IW?
you won't be able to clear IWs in reasonable time for other 200 levels or so. with this said, if you really want to have an IW10 weapon you should catch this offer immediately: QUOTE(TygerTyger @ Feb 10 2015, 13:54)  If you really want something IW'd I'll do it for 25k for one item
but you'll better find a prefixed weapon first - even slightly less damage than your current one is good since it will recieve a boost from the last potency. otherwise don't even think about IW for a bit QUOTE(mysticks @ Feb 10 2015, 13:15)  Second Question. thank cthulu for the random encounter they give! I was able to farm off tons of exp from it however i can only clear it up to BT(x12) with near zero item waste and IWBTH(x15) using multiple heroic pot. Is it too greedy for me to start aiming for dem "Smiles" (x20)? or i was actually stupid for not using it?
you can do a try, but i think IWTBH is a good enough goal. PFUDOR mobs are stronger and way more aggressive, you may get easily one-shotted by them QUOTE(mysticks @ Feb 10 2015, 13:15)  Final Question (and you think it's finally over :x...) As you've seen my melee is an uneducated 0 INT douche... at what rate should i start raising my stats for a melee setup such as mine?
technical answer: the only effect of INT for a melee is to boost SP tank, so whenever you feel you need longer spirit stance practical answer: keep it somewhere between 20~30 points far from other stats, just to be able to raise it quicker when you'll need it
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Feb 10 2015, 15:20
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clarkiest
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QUOTE(mysticks @ Feb 10 2015, 14:15)  Now for the question! Since I see that Weapon/Armor gradually get better upon increasing item lvl from IW... I plan to start clearing the one with Exquisite Rarity... however it seems that the number of rounds is just too much for me...(Technically in GrindFest too). Is it wise to get a superior weapon first, raise the power through IW and then start raising the Exquisite one after the Superior one is off the chart? or just make changes and destroy "Exquisite" level IW?
Equipment worth IW-ing is your mid-game equipments. (Well, end-game equipments must be IW-ed, and correctly at that). Mid-game meaning the level when you don't have money to get the best equipment you can find so you make do with what you have. Around my level I guess.. But IW can be used for EXP farm. IW worst equipment you can find and start it at highest difficulty manageable. Mobs will be fat with HP but pack weakling punch. What I'm trying to say is, if you don't IW for EXP, don't bother. QUOTE Second Question. thank cthulu for the random encounter they give! I was able to farm off tons of exp from it however i can only clear it up to BT(x12) with near zero item waste and IWBTH(x15) using multiple heroic pot. Is it too greedy for me to start aiming for dem "Smiles" (x20)? or i was actually stupid for not using it?
I find RE is the best kind of fight to have fun. Just one round, at no token cost, and not losing big reward even when you lost. So, challenge yourself, use everything on your disposal. Unless, you don't want the monster score a kill. Mine haven't had any kill lately... QUOTE Final Question (and you think it's finally over :x...) As you've seen my melee is an uneducated 0 INT douche... at what rate should i start raising my stats for a melee setup such as mine? (Checked the wiki, seems rather... an impossible rate on low level)
Start increasing useless stat when you start using spirit. Spirit pool expand with your total stat, INT "might" be useless for non-mage, but they contribute to spirit pool. So, if you have excess EXP to spend, give INT some love. Your other stat look fine. I'm not very familiar which ability unlocked at which level, so I think you're fine at that department too (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) If any advice could be given, try to get weapon with elemental strike. Ethereal is the best for melee, but other elemental is not so shabby themselves.
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Feb 10 2015, 15:40
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mysticks
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Feb 10 2015, 15:13)  how many PABs on these? do they all have END? also, you may keep those boots if they have at least good AGI/DEX and 3 PABs
Helmet: http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=188d373bc5Body: http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=970f650dc6Hands: http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=de99eedef8Leggings: http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=dfc7ececbaFoot: http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=e0c5f8cbac (actually... it seems bad lel) Welp, I can post links now (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) I kinda rushed upon seeing those items x_x so some of them aren't taken into real consideration (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)... QUOTE(Scremaz @ Feb 10 2015, 15:13)  but you'll better find a prefixed weapon first - even slightly less damage than your current one is good since it will recieve a boost from the last potency. otherwise don't even think about IW for a bit
QUOTE(clarkiest @ Feb 10 2015, 15:20)  Equipment worth IW-ing is your mid-game equipments. (Well, end-game equipments must be IW-ed, and correctly at that). Mid-game meaning the level when you don't have money to get the best equipment you can find so you make do with what you have. Around my level I guess..
But IW can be used for EXP farm. IW worst equipment you can find and start it at highest difficulty manageable. Mobs will be fat with HP but pack weakling punch. What I'm trying to say is, if you don't IW for EXP, don't bother.
I see~ Very well then :3 No IW for now eh~ Back to GrindFest! (and Arena) QUOTE(TygerTyger @ Feb 10 2015, 14:54)  I keep all stats even except int -10, everyone else can give opinions on IWing. (If you really want something IW'd I'll do it for 25k for one item)
Well, Sadly I have to decline the offer :s Thanks for the offer though! (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) QUOTE(Scremaz @ Feb 10 2015, 15:13)  technical answer: the only effect of INT for a melee is to boost SP tank, so whenever you feel you need longer spirit stance practical answer: keep it somewhere between 20~30 points far from other stats, just to be able to raise it quicker when you'll need it
QUOTE(clarkiest @ Feb 10 2015, 15:20)  Start increasing useless stat when you start using spirit. Spirit pool expand with your total stat, INT "might" be useless for non-mage, but they contribute to spirit pool. So, if you have excess EXP to spend, give INT some love.
Ah~ So that's what it's for. I've been reading the wiki wrong then xD thanks for the clarification! And man, I Spirit dem mobs so hard they deaded. (1337 mode Spirit + Cleave = EZ GG Konata lol) Welp! That's a lot of answers to be taken to note (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif) Thanks a lot for the insight (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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Feb 10 2015, 16:45
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Koaen
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QUOTE(mysticks @ Feb 10 2015, 08:40)  And man, I Spirit dem mobs so hard they deaded. (1337 mode Spirit + Cleave = EZ GG Konata lol)
Make sure you cast buffs on spirit stance too!
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Feb 10 2015, 17:04
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mysticks
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QUOTE(jenga201 @ Feb 10 2015, 16:45)  Make sure you cast buffs on spirit stance too!
Oh? o_O With that I assume that when on Spirit Stance Buffs get considerable boost? >_>... (and here i thought it's a waste of 10% OC + 1 SP)... Welp! The more you Know! ====:star: (lack of star emoticon kinda kills the point.)
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Feb 10 2015, 17:06
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(mysticks @ Feb 10 2015, 16:04)  Oh? o_O With that I assume that when on Spirit Stance Buffs get considerable boost? >_>... (and here i thought it's a waste of 10% OC + 1 SP)... Welp! The more you Know! ====:star: (lack of star emoticon kinda kills the point.)
no, but they cost less so you can cast more (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
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Feb 10 2015, 17:08
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malkatmp
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QUOTE(mysticks @ Feb 10 2015, 17:04)  Oh? o_O With that I assume that when on Spirit Stance Buffs get considerable boost? >_>... (and here i thought it's a waste of 10% OC + 1 SP)... Welp! (IMG:[ i.imgur.com] http://i.imgur.com/oXYzZ.gif) (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/lurk.gif)
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Feb 10 2015, 17:17
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m00sey
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so I have this monster and it hasnt killed anything, what stats should i train for it to kill stuff?
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