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post Jan 25 2015, 08:06
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QUOTE(mastaninja @ Jan 25 2015, 10:55) *

The rapier I have was never meant to be my real rapier just a temporary one, but ive looked at things all over the place I cant seem to find a good rapier, one that will last me until im super rich and can spend mills on a rapier.

What was the best rapier you found (within your budget) in the market? And with what price? Can you provide the link?

QUOTE(mozilla browser @ Jan 25 2015, 11:14) *

If I'm wavering between mage and melee, best stats distribution is uniform right?

Yep. But according to TenB, we'll have to re-distribute our stats after Patch 0.82. He said when Patch 0.82 takes place, our Stats will be reset.
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post Jan 25 2015, 08:22
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QUOTE(tetron @ Jan 25 2015, 08:06) *

What was the best rapier you found (within your budget) in the market? And with what price? Can you provide the link?


http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=351f672d80 is one 400k at auction now but to low parry to be worth it I think.

im also looking at holy demons stuff specifically these 3 they are between 100-300k

http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=17bfc517d2
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=088398eecd
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=57204436c7

I am also looking at an electric elemental rapier that has great damage, parry and very high pa with 3 pabs for around 1m but that does kind of break the budget, though when I hit 250 pretty soon and do the last ring of blood first clear I can buy it. Im concerned if I should even buy an elec rapier though even if it is really good, im not going to link it because i dont want someone to buy it before me (which happened before when I posted in this thread)
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post Jan 25 2015, 08:46
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QUOTE(mastaninja @ Jan 25 2015, 00:22) *
I am also looking at an electric elemental rapier that has great damage, parry and very high pa with 3 pabs for around 1m but that does kind of break the budget, though when I hit 250 pretty soon and do the last ring of blood first clear I can buy it. Im concerned if I should even buy an elec rapier though even if it is really good, im not going to link it because i dont want someone to buy it before me (which happened before when I posted in this thread)

Unless you're doing something odd and need the elec damage, I think you'll be significantly happier with Ethereal, Hallowed, or Demonic - since it sounds like you have the budget for it - unless everything of those types with decent stats was extraordinarily more expensive.
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post Jan 25 2015, 08:55
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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Jan 25 2015, 08:46) *

Unless you're doing something odd and need the elec damage, I think you'll be significantly happier with Ethereal, Hallowed, or Demonic - since it sounds like you have the budget for it - unless everything of those types with decent stats was extraordinarily more expensive.

hmm problem is i cant seem to find a rapier that is good enough most are just too cheap, for instance that hallowed rapier I have is just as good as my spare hallowed rapier I linked earlier except for the pa chance, but pretty much everything else is worse, all im seeing are rapier that are sidegrades not upgrades.
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post Jan 25 2015, 09:05
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QUOTE(mastaninja @ Jan 25 2015, 08:22) *

What rapier should I get.


(normalising to level 200)
Remember that Dex is worth maybe .9~1.1 points of damage. So picking a weapon with 30 more damage is better than picking one with 20 more dex. Same goes strength. Although its worth more than dex, but if you can pick up 50 damage, you would probably want the damage.

If you don't get a decent performance increase (at least 5%), don't spend all your money. I was using this weapon for a long time before I upgraded to this one.
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post Jan 25 2015, 09:07
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QUOTE(mastaninja @ Jan 25 2015, 11:52) *

http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=351f672d80 is one 400k at auction now but to low parry to be worth it I think.

im also looking at holy demons stuff specifically these 3 they are between 100-300k

http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=17bfc517d2
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=088398eecd
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=57204436c7

I am also looking at an electric elemental rapier that has great damage, parry and very high pa with 3 pabs for around 1m but that does kind of break the budget, though when I hit 250 pretty soon and do the last ring of blood first clear I can buy it. Im concerned if I should even buy an elec rapier though even if it is really good, im not going to link it because i dont want someone to buy it before me (which happened before when I posted in this thread)

I see. Well, Exquisite grade rapiers have mostly "okay" type stats. If you're looking for a rapier with good overall stats, you better look for Mag+ quality. But yes, they ARE expensive.

QUOTE(m118w11 @ Jan 25 2015, 12:35) *

Remember that Dex is worth maybe .9~1.1 points of damage. So picking a weapon with 30 more damage is better than picking one with 20 more dex. Same goes strength. Although its worth more than dex, but if you can pick up 50 damage, you would probably want the damage.

That depends. Some people prefer higher firepower, some prefer balanced stats (I'm one of those latter fellows). Remember that DEX also increases Parry.
And when you're playing PFUDOR-Fest, every point of stat matters. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

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post Jan 25 2015, 09:20
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Thanks guys I think I will just get http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=5d71750a34 Iwed, all this stuff is so expensive and i dont really feel like paying 300k-500k+ to upgrade and get a little more damage and pa chance, my power armor is pretty good but id probably get more benefit out of upgrading my armor or shield than spending all my money and my sanity trying to find the best rapier. This whole rapier ordeal has been kind of frustrating, but i understand alot more about gear now.

Paid scremaz only 20k for it!
as a side note mozilla browser totally bought a rapier i would have bought for 500k *shakes fist* http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=b2e82413c0

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post Jan 25 2015, 09:44
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Umm, it was unforged and un-IWed when I bought it. Base, I think it was not significantly better than yours...
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post Jan 25 2015, 09:46
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QUOTE(mozilla browser @ Jan 25 2015, 09:44) *

Umm, it was unforged and un-IWed when I bought it. Base, I think it was not significantly better than yours...


I was joking lols.
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post Jan 25 2015, 10:30
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Is it just me or the Mitigation Reduction from Proficiency doesn't seem to increase damage output directly? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)
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post Jan 25 2015, 13:41
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QUOTE(TygerTyger @ Jan 25 2015, 03:28) *

*Achoo*

Seems like someone was talking about me. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

really? when? where? are you sure you didn't catch a cold? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

QUOTE(tetron @ Jan 25 2015, 06:16) *

And how much did you rip off charged for that shield? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

exactly what he paid for it at an auction. maybe even a bit less, he was quite honest. also, its PABs were quite better if compared with a M+2 = L-1 that was being sold that same week

QUOTE(mozilla browser @ Jan 25 2015, 06:44) *

If I'm wavering between mage and melee, best stats distribution is uniform right?

right. i'd say that after lv300 it's better to uniform them and stop.

QUOTE(tetron @ Jan 25 2015, 07:06) *

Yep. But according to TenB, we'll have to re-distribute our stats after Patch 0.82. He said when Patch 0.82 takes place, our Stats will be reset.

dang! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

QUOTE(mastaninja @ Jan 25 2015, 07:22) *

im also looking at holy demons stuff specifically these 3 they are between 100-300k
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=088398eecd

100k for a 18%/3 turns? did i forget something? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

QUOTE(mastaninja @ Jan 25 2015, 08:20) *

Thanks guys I think I will just get http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=5d71750a34
Paid scremaz only 20k for it!

ditto.


QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Jan 25 2015, 07:46) *

Unless you're doing something odd and need the elec damage, I think you'll be significantly happier with Ethereal, Hallowed, or Demonic - since it sounds like you have the budget for it - unless everything of those types with decent stats was extraordinarily more expensive.

yes, they are. even 2PAB ones. mantra64 (or at least, i remember it was him) is going with a fiery one and he says it's doing well, so if you are sure you can IW10 it (which significantly boosts firepower), why not going with elec if it's cheaper? it's still good against giants and mechanoids afterall...

QUOTE(m118w11 @ Jan 25 2015, 08:05) *

(normalising to level 200)
Remember that Dex is worth maybe .9~1.1 points of damage. So picking a weapon with 30 more damage is better than picking one with 20 more dex. Same goes strength. Although its worth more than dex, but if you can pick up 50 damage, you would probably want the damage.

If you don't get a decent performance increase (at least 5%), don't spend all your money. I was using this weapon for a long time before I upgraded to this one.

all true, but DEX also boosts parry, accuracy and crit chance, which raw firepower doesn't. personally, between 20 ADB and 20 DEX i really prefer 20 DEX because of its many effects
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post Jan 25 2015, 14:34
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...but DEX also boosts parry, accuracy and crit chance...


I agree that Dex has other bonuses, I didn't explain the numbers properly. You don't get exactly 1 damage per dex, it is quite a bit lower.

At level 200 you would have ~400 in dex and str. So 20 dex only gives you 14.7 Damage (about .73 damage per point). So I added it a bit to it to get the 0.9-1.1 per point value.

At my level, I have 1050 str and 1000 dex, so I get only around 0.5 damage per point in Dex. The preference for damage starts to grow.
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QUOTE(m118w11 @ Jan 25 2015, 13:34) *

I agree that Dex has other bonuses, I didn't explain the numbers properly. You don't get exactly 1 damage per dex, it is quite a bit lower.

yes, sure. you also speak as a higher-level who already has quite high accuracy/parry/whatever - not that there's something wrong on this, it's a matter of perspective. it's also a matter of tastes though, actually i have ~5600 ADB and DEX can still boost ADB in a 4/3 ratio for me, so i prefer to have the (19 ADB + 1 ACC + 1 parry) lot rather than 25 ADB.

also, consider that (still at mid-low levels) the difference about 25 ADB and 25 DEX is only 6 ADB, which is surely negligible if compared to total 5600+
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post Jan 25 2015, 15:02
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Do the crit stats (chance and damage) of offhand weapon add up to the total stat or only affect the single weapon?

Wiki only mentions accuracy.
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post Jan 25 2015, 15:38
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QUOTE(tetron @ Jan 25 2015, 16:16) *

And how much did you rip off charged for that shield? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)


I think I bought for 2.2m and sold for 2.3m

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post Jan 25 2015, 15:55
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Jan 25 2015, 17:11) *

exactly what he paid for it at an auction. maybe even a bit less, he was quite honest. also, its PABs were quite better if compared with a M+2 = L-1 that was being sold that same week

So that's your active shield right now I guess?
Ever since TenB's declaration of patch 0.82, I've stopped buying high-end equipments for active use. Nowadays I'm experimenting with Superior grade equipments. (You can guess why (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) )

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I think I bought for 2.2m and sold for 2.3m

Hmm. Then what is your active shield right now? Or have you gone Mage? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)
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post Jan 25 2015, 16:11
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QUOTE(coreguy @ Jan 25 2015, 21:02) *

Do the crit stats (chance and damage) of offhand weapon add up to the total stat or only affect the single weapon?

Wiki only mentions accuracy.

They all added up. Including the crit chance from armors.
i.e. crit chance = 1- (1-crit from stat ) x (1-crit from a ) x (1-crit from b ) x ......
crit damage = 50% + crit damage from a + crit damage from b + ......

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post Jan 25 2015, 17:56
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I need a quote on how much I can sell these: (or are they auction-worthy? But I don't really think so because of low pxp - just asking)

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post Jan 25 2015, 18:01
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QUOTE(The Magi @ Jan 25 2015, 01:35) *

I need a quote on how much I can sell these: (or are they auction-worthy? But I don't really think so because of low pxp - just asking)

Exquisite Demonic Rapier of Slaughter

Exquisite Power Armor of Slaughter

Both <=50k IMO.
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post Jan 25 2015, 18:05
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QUOTE(The Magi @ Jan 25 2015, 21:26) *

The Rapier may sell for start bid in Auctions, but the Power Slaughter will not. And you already know why.
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