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post Jan 18 2015, 17:44
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Current forge lvl - 13 (853/3500)

So should I keep on forging gears till 1st 5 lvl ? And what about salvage ? should I keep the forged gears and continue forging with a new gear or salvage them and repeat ?
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Honestly I am not so good when it comes to calculation so you tell me which one is the better route the leg leather or Mag leather ^^;


imo, the cheapest route is ask someone else with lvl50 forge to help forge your stuff. hence, 0 grinding. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)
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post Jan 18 2015, 17:48
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There is sense to check mob lab few times per day? They all mostly passive without kills.
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post Jan 18 2015, 17:57
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QUOTE(nec1986 @ Jan 18 2015, 07:48) *

There is sense to check mob lab few times per day? They all mostly passive without kills.


Once a day should be enough. Low level mobs won't bring a gift more than once every few days.
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post Jan 18 2015, 18:04
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QUOTE(mozilla browser @ Jan 18 2015, 05:58) *
Anyway, it seems to me that PA % and duration are pretty important. (not sure whether % or duration is more important). I guess that the Expected number of turns to proc PA = 1/PA%. And as long as that is < duration, the rapier should be fine... right? In a previous example, there was one rapier which was 19% and 6 turns (at my level). ie, E(turns to proc PA) = 5.26, which means the chance of stacking that is really pretty iffy.

Proc duration is important, but whether the duration is good enough for you also depends on how often you rebuff/cure/use ability rather than attack. Also keep in mind that you'll almost always have Haste on, meaning that you'll have ~1.5x more chances (attack turns) to re-stack PA than the base duration would imply - monster debuffs, just like player buffs, seem to consume a turn based on a fixed action speed number close to your normal unbuffed action speed.

Assume that you have a PA duration of 5, chance of proc 19%. Then the chances of PA expiring before it's duration is refreshed would be
(.81) ^ (floor or ceil)(5 * 1.5) = 23% or 19%, depending on your action speed vs base battle action speed at the beginning ("floor or ceil") - if you don't stop to do anything like cast a rebuff while attacking. If you stop attacking for 1 of those 7 or 8 turns then chances of expiring would be .81 ^ 6 or .81 ^ 7 instead. Chances are pretty good regardless.

You mentioned considering a 25% / 4. Then it would be
(.75) ^ (floor or ceil)(4 * 1.5) = 18% chance of expiring before being rebuffed during 6 consecutive attacks - even better than the 5 and 19 rapier before. (But that 25% / 4 rapier doesn't have a prefix, which will be a serious reduction in your damage output)
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Why are rapiers preferred over axes? Does piercing damage vs slashing damage matter at all? Is Bleeding Wound so bad?

1 1 You crit Tsukiko Tsutsukakushi for 2731 void damage.
1 5 Tsukiko Tsutsukakushi gains the effect Penetrated Armor.
2 1 You hit Tsukiko Tsutsukakushi for 3502 void damage.
5 1 You hit Tsukiko Tsutsukakushi for 3337 void damage.
5 5 Tsukiko Tsutsukakushi gains the effect Penetrated Armor.
8 1 You hit Tsukiko Tsutsukakushi for 3799 void damage.
9 1 You hit Tsukiko Tsutsukakushi for 4924 void damage.
9 4 Tsukiko Tsutsukakushi gains the effect Penetrated Armor.
11 1 You hit Tsukiko Tsutsukakushi for 6265 void damage.

First attack was a crit for 2731. After PAx3, a non-crit attack did 6265.

Effect is probably even more noticable on mobs with huge defenses, like In Memory Of, the schoolgirls, and FSM.
QUOTE(nec1986 @ Jan 18 2015, 09:48) *

There is sense to check mob lab few times per day? They all mostly passive without kills.

They can hold up to 3 gifts or double-gifts at once if the wiki is accurate, so unless they're high level and are giving more than a gift a day (unlikely), you'll probably be fine even if you only check every 3 days.
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post Jan 18 2015, 19:04
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They can hold up to 3 gifts or double-gifts at once if the wiki is accurate, so unless they're high level and are giving more than a gift a day (unlikely), you'll probably be fine even if you only check every 3 days.

3 days is enough for them to start starving, so make that every 2 days. Or every day if you are afraid to forget to feed them.
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post Jan 18 2015, 19:34
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I read somewhere that Mages don't get the Extra Damage Bonus from "Display Title". Is that true? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)
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post Jan 18 2015, 19:38
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QUOTE(tetron @ Jan 18 2015, 18:34) *

I read somewhere that Mages don't get the Extra Damage Bonus from "Display Title". Is that true? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

iirc that 'damage bonus' refers to ADB rather than MDB/EDB, so i guess it's true. but they don't need overcharge (thus FRD) as well, so still better to stick with bonus evade from godslayer rank
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post Jan 18 2015, 19:59
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I got this 1h rapier to hold me over http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=70006199a7, should i IW it or should i just wait until i can find a good elemental/ demonic/ hallowed rapier and then iw that, how important is it to have 3 pabs? i bought it for 30k which i thought was a steal .

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post Jan 18 2015, 20:02
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Jan 18 2015, 23:08) *

iirc that 'damage bonus' refers to ADB rather than MDB/EDB, so i guess it's true. but they don't need overcharge (thus FRD) as well, so still better to stick with bonus evade from godslayer rank

Only ADB? Meh. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)
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post Jan 18 2015, 20:11
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QUOTE(mastaninja @ Jan 18 2015, 18:59) *

I got this 1h rapier to hold me over http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=70006199a7, should i IW it or should i just wait until i can find a good elemental/ demonic/ hallowed rapier and then iw that, how important is it to have 3 pabs? i bought it for 30k which i thought was a steal .

the matter isn't much it has 2 PABs, it's more than it hasn't DEX - which is the PAB that can reach the highest value and is useful for both 1H and DW. apart for that and the low PA chance is quite nice. you can even start to IW it, if you want to
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post Jan 18 2015, 20:41
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QUOTE(mastaninja @ Jan 18 2015, 11:59) *

I got this 1h rapier to hold me over http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=70006199a7, should i IW it or should i just wait until i can find a good elemental/ demonic/ hallowed rapier and then iw that, how important is it to have 3 pabs? i bought it for 30k which i thought was a steal .

Dexterity contributes to crit chance and damage, so it's good for clearing speed, but given the cost of decent rapiers it's not completely essential if your funds are limited.

If you can item world on BT or IWBTH, go ahead, but you probably can't yet. You can pay someone ~300k to do it for you, but that's not worth it on such a cheap item. It's Ethereal, so it has the most important bonus of void damage already. If I were you I'd wait until finding a better weapon before doing IW, even if you're capable of doing IW now. I made the mistake of trying to IW before I was capable of doing it on high difficulties, and I spent a lot of time going nowhere.

At your level, you'll gain clearing power and toughness quicker per time spent if you just aim for leveling up. (The high level arenas not only give significantly more experience than IW, but they're also significantly easier because monster damage doesn't increase the further you get)
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post Jan 18 2015, 21:38
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Magnificent Cotton Gloves of the Heaven-sent

MMax prof. worth something?
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post Jan 18 2015, 22:01
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QUOTE(tetron @ Jan 18 2015, 17:34) *

I read somewhere that Mages don't get the Extra Damage Bonus from "Display Title". Is that true? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)


It's true. Tenboro said he would fix it by reworking titles eventually. It just didnt make it into the mage damage formula originally and never got fixed...
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post Jan 18 2015, 22:50
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I am approaching level 200 newbie and have been winging it with the gear I got gifted 150 levels ago (haven't found anything even worth equipping outside of that).


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What should my goal be for equipment and fighting style wise? stick with 2h/heavy?

Am I in the right mentality with my strategy?

cast all my buffs, facesmash things until 200% overcharge then spirit and use my mace skills?

It seems okay on Battletoads difficulty for now at least, but long term is this where I want to be with stat allocation and gearing (plate of protection, mace of slaughter?)

Should I be grinding depreciating proficiency or any of the magic skills?

I don't have anything trained except:

18 adept learner
33 Ability boost

Only other thing of note is that I have 1 monster at PL 278 who I am assuming is what I should stay at considering I am starving for Chaos Tokens.

What do you guys do everyday for long term efficiency? Dawn of new day -> arenas (are some more worth it than others?) -> random encounters?

And finally what scripts do you guys use now that still work? Do they still limit your turns per second or have other technical limitations?

Thanks

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post Jan 18 2015, 23:00
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http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=15a8cb3e71
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=ef73e0b67b

Which one's better?
The magnificent looks better in just about every way, but it has no endurance bonus. Is that a deal breaker here or should I go with it?
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post Jan 18 2015, 23:11
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QUOTE(tailor64 @ Jan 18 2015, 21:50) *

I am approaching level 200 newbie and have been winging it with the gear I got gifted 150 levels ago (haven't found anything even worth equipping outside of that).
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What should my goal be for equipment and fighting style wise? stick with 2h/heavy?

Am I in the right mentality with my strategy?

cast all my buffs, facesmash things until 200% overcharge then spirit and use my mace skills?

It seems okay on Battletoads difficulty for now at least, but long term is this where I want to be with stat allocation and gearing (plate of protection, mace of slaughter?)

Should I be grinding depreciating proficiency or any of the magic skills?

I don't have anything trained except:

18 adept learner
33 Ability boost

Only other thing of note is that I have 1 monster at PL 278 who I am assuming is what I should stay at considering I am starving for Chaos Tokens.

What do you guys do everyday for long term efficiency? Dawn of new day -> arenas (are some more worth it than others?) -> random encounters?

Thanks

2H is a great starting style, but I usually advise people to switch to 1H/Power around lvl 200. The required gear is a rapier of slaughter + force shield with high block + power armor (preferably of slaughter).

Work on reducing your burden, you get a reduced crit chance if it is above 70. This is easier if you use Power armor and an ethereal weapon.

You may grind deprecating if you want to unlock Imperil (unlocked at 30 deprec prof) and Silence (unlocked at 40).

Train Adept Learner and Pack Rat.

At your level, consider keeping your chaos tokens to create more monsters to raise to PL 200.

Dawn, arenas and REs, yes. The 2nd page arenas have an exp multiplier, and the late arenas (lvl 200 and above) have better equipment clear bonuses.

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http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=15a8cb3e71
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=ef73e0b67b

Which one's better?
The magnificent looks better in just about every way, but it has no endurance bonus. Is that a deal breaker here or should I go with it?

The mag one is better.

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post Jan 18 2015, 23:23
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QUOTE(Dan31 @ Jan 18 2015, 23:11) *

2H is a great starting style, but I usually advise people to switch to 1H/Power around lvl 200. The required gear is a rapier of slaughter + force shield with high block + power armor (preferably of slaughter).

Work on reducing your burden, you get a reduced crit chance if it is above 70. This is easier if you use Power armor and an ethereal weapon.

You may grind deprecating if you want to unlock Imperil (unlocked at 30 deprec prof) and Silence (unlocked at 40).

Train Adept Learner and Pack Rat.

At your level, consider keeping your chaos tokens to create more monsters to raise to PL 200.

Dawn, arenas and REs, yes. The 2nd page arenas have an exp multiplier, and the late arenas (lvl 200 and above) have better equipment clear bonuses.
The mag one is better.


I am poor as hell so I doubt I could afford Exq or higher, but would even a basic ~superior rapier of slaughter work? would it need great PAB and other stats compared to my superior mace (which seem high for a superior weapon at least from proc standpoint).

As far as armor/shield is there a trick to getting these to drop? or do you just play arena completion bonus on a higher difficulty and pray (I have only done normal arenas). I am level 200 and still haven't seen a single power armor piece drop.

For proficiency grinding I should switch into a garbage light armor set to lower burden and spam weaken until 40 prof? Is this going to take days?

Is there a reason multiple monsters at pl 200 are worth more than 1 at 500~? Seems it would be expensive on happy pills / crystals.

Also what are these "Crystal packs" i hear about? are they actually an item or just multiple stacks of 1k crystals?

Do you use any scripts?

Thanks again.

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post Jan 18 2015, 23:26
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QUOTE(tailor64 @ Jan 18 2015, 14:50) *

I am approaching level 200 newbie and have been winging it with the gear I got gifted 150 levels ago (haven't found anything even worth equipping outside of that).

What should my goal be for equipment and fighting style wise? stick with 2h/heavy?

If you switch to 1h/shield/heavy you'll probably find that you can handle difficulties 1 or 2 levels higher than you do currently. 2h doesn't have much going for it, and 1h is what you basically have to do to play PFUDOR unless you have godly equipment.

Try to find a prefixed Rapier of Slaughter, preferably Ethereal if you aren't going to bother with IWing.
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Should I be grinding depreciating proficiency or any of the magic skills?

It depends how much you use Imperil, if you use it at all (or have it yet). It helps clear moderately faster, and the higher your proficiency, the less it costs and the longer it lasts, but that only matters if you use it.
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Only other thing of note is that I have 1 monster at PL 278 who I am assuming is what I should stay at considering I am starving for Chaos Tokens.

Crystals cost quite a lot. At your level, you'll be a whole lot better off investing resources into better equipment. I'm level 328 and I don't see myself working on monsters seriously until at least level 350, or maybe 400. I spend my extra chaos tokens for more monster slots and create them, but none are even level 40 yet.
QUOTE(tailor64 @ Jan 18 2015, 14:50) *
What do you guys do everyday for long term efficiency? Dawn of new day -> arenas (are some more worth it than others?) -> random encounters?

The best mode to play for experience per time spent are the 70 round - 100 round arenas (see "EXP Mod"?). Occasional random encounters are great too.

http://ehwiki.org/wiki/HentaiVerse_Scripts_%26_Tools

I use HV keybinds, HV cooldown, MonsterLab BabySitter, HV - Inline Difficulty Changer, HV conditioner, and HV Random Encounter Notification. I recommend against HVStat because it makes turns take much longer than normal.
QUOTE(tailor64 @ Jan 18 2015, 15:23) *
I am poor as hell so I doubt I could afford Exq or higher, but would even a basic ~superior rapier of slaughter work? would it need great PAB and other stats compared to my superior mace (which seem high for a superior weapon at least from proc standpoint).

As far as armor/shield is there a trick to getting these to drop? or do you just play arena completion bonus on a higher difficulty and pray (I have only done normal arenas). I am level 200 and still haven't seen a single power armor piece drop.

For proficiency grinding I should switch into a garbage light armor set to lower burden and spam weaken until 40 prof? Is this going to take days?

As long as the rapier is prefixed (Ethereal, Hallowed, etc) and doesn't have completely horrible stats you might as well use it. Even a bad rapier is probably better than a good non-rapier.

To get decent equips, 99% of the time you have to buy them from higher level players, due to the way the loot system works. HV is a pay-to-win game, unfortunately. Even at my level, I've never found something worth using, and only a couple of things that might be worth selling.

To grind proficiency, go into a Crude item world on Normal, and use Spellspam to cast Weaken. Fill inventory with those useless Greater Mana Potions, and flee when you run out. Depending on how many slots you have, you'll probably gain 2 to 4 proficiency each time.
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Is there a reason multiple monsters at pl 200 are worth more than 1 at 500~? Seems it would be expensive on happy pills / crystals.

Also what are these "Crystal packs" i hear about? are they actually an item or just multiple stacks of 1k crystals?

At 200, you unlock the monster's second MP attack, giving it a very slightly higher chance of getting a kill, which would increase the gift rate.

I don't think it's worth it unless you just happen to have enough crystals lying around to get it to 200, since you'll still get a gift every couple days with a PL 25 monster.

Crystal packs are just 1000 of each type that the seller transfers.

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post Jan 19 2015, 01:58
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QUOTE(tailor64 @ Jan 19 2015, 00:23) *

As far as armor/shield is there a trick to getting these to drop? or do you just play arena completion bonus on a higher difficulty and pray (I have only done normal arenas). I am level 200 and still haven't seen a single power armor piece drop.


The trick is easy. Train luck of the draw, scavenger and quartermaster and play on high difficulty. I mean, i got at least one power armor piece daily. Ok, most of the time there arent even worth an auction. But getting 3K from the bazar for an sup power armor is still a nice thing.
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QUOTE(tailor64 @ Jan 18 2015, 23:23) *

I am poor as hell so I doubt I could afford Exq or higher, but would even a basic ~superior rapier of slaughter work? would it need great PAB and other stats compared to my superior mace (which seem high for a superior weapon at least from proc standpoint).

As far as armor/shield is there a trick to getting these to drop? or do you just play arena completion bonus on a higher difficulty and pray (I have only done normal arenas). I am level 200 and still haven't seen a single power armor piece drop.

For proficiency grinding I should switch into a garbage light armor set to lower burden and spam weaken until 40 prof? Is this going to take days?

Is there a reason multiple monsters at pl 200 are worth more than 1 at 500~? Seems it would be expensive on happy pills / crystals.

Also what are these "Crystal packs" i hear about? are they actually an item or just multiple stacks of 1k crystals?

Do you use any scripts?

Thanks again.



Do you have your reindeer antlers from christmas, if you sell those you can get 300k, ive been around for 2 years and both times ive sold them, which is where most of my wealth comes from. I have a decent shade of fleet set with a good iwed ethereal longsword for my 2h set and recently got full 3pab power armor of the slaughter a high block force shield and a okay rapier with the money i got this christmas lols. Also your first round bonuses from ring of blood help, if your scared you will lose probably just go on normal to get the credits, I lost recently because I got cocky and went on a pretty high difficulty level.

for scripts i just use mousemelee and hv stat light (doesnt really cause slowdown). I hate having to click on monsters to attack them, everything goes so much faster with mousemelee, you just hover over them, you can set it so it stops attacking at certain hp or mana intervals so you dont risk dying.

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