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post Jan 14 2015, 20:26
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QUOTE(Dan31 @ Jan 14 2015, 17:58) *

Ideally, use a Hallowed/Ethereal/Demonic Rapier of Slaughter + Force Shield with high block + Power armor set (with maybe a good shielding plate piece with high PMI/MMI/END). Penetrated Armor is just too important for dealing damage. The shield's block is very important as well since it accounts for a large part of your defense. Power armor helps boosting the otherwise weak attack damage of 1H. Get that, and you will clear rounds way faster than now.


Gotcha, i know that should be a long way to run:)
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post Jan 14 2015, 20:26
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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Jan 14 2015, 21:23) *

showoff apparently prefers to, that's why I was thinking that expensive rapiers might not be a good cost-efficient choice for him.


Well i would add that playing on normal is not a good cost-efficient choice for him.

You can play at his level even with a shitty set on hell. And i know that for sure!
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post Jan 14 2015, 20:28
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Since your 2h has great stats, you might as well use it for now, but later once you get to around 200 you'll probably be more effective if you switch to a different style. 2h works early, but falls off in comparison to DW and especially 1h. With DW you can get a significant defensive boost with offhand parry, possibly in addition to a stronger Heal if it's Hallowed as well. Getting the Penetrated Armor proc is also invaluable once you start fighting bosses and high PL monsters, available on Rapiers (preferably) and Estocs. 1h is even stronger than DW, with around half of all attacks being completely negated with Block (and stunning most attacking monsters for a few turns).

The effect of less burden on evade has a greater impact the closer you get to 0 burden. Since you've already got 4 shade pieces, if you can find a 5th to replace your boots you'll be in a better position.

The Shrine doesn't let you upgrade equipment. Yet. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

Upgrading Shade requires very expensive rare materials. I think a Shade Fragment goes for around 40k right now, so to get a single piece to level 5 in anything you'd need 200k plus the actual leather material costs. I'd avoid upgrading except on near top-tier equipment if special materials are required.

Your weapon can be upgraded without anything special (up to level 5) so you might as well upgrade weapon damage at least.


Thanks, i already have a pretty decent power armor set so i guess ill start getting ready for the switch to 1h, though I am concerned that 1h heavy wont be so great after the new patch.

After I'm done with my long sword http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=a8efa84867 should I sell it or keep it in case 2h becomes more prominent after the patch, if I sell it whats it worth?

Also my main question is how much better is gear that costs, say, 10k vs gear that costs 1m vs gear that costs 10m+. Is it really a big difference? I've done some basic comparisons and it seems like near perfect gear that is fully upgraded is only maybe 50% better than gear that I have. Once I start getting a couple mill would it be better to buy 1m gear pieces or save up for a big piece?
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post Jan 14 2015, 20:38
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QUOTE(mastaninja @ Jan 14 2015, 19:28) *

After I'm done with my long sword http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=a8efa84867 should I sell it or keep it in case 2h becomes more prominent after the patch, if I sell it whats it worth?

personally i'd keep it. nowadays longswords aren't so worthy, and that's a good one. it can only be better imo

QUOTE(mastaninja @ Jan 14 2015, 19:28) *

Also my main question is how much better is gear that costs, say, 10k vs gear that costs 1m vs gear that costs 10m+. Is it really a big difference? I've done some basic comparisons and it seems like near perfect gear that is fully upgraded is only maybe 50% better than gear that I have. Once I start getting a couple mill would it be better to buy 1m gear pieces or save up for a big piece?

'only' 50%? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
also, don't spend too much on gears, especially when situation isn't really stable as now. start spending 1M per gear only when you have millions and millions to waste
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post Jan 14 2015, 20:41
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Jan 14 2015, 21:38) *

also, don't spend too much on gears, especially when situation isn't really stable as now. start spending 1M per gear only when you have millions and millions to waste


Or when it gives you more than 200 ABD plus. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
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post Jan 14 2015, 20:58
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QUOTE(mastaninja @ Jan 14 2015, 12:28) *

Thanks, i already have a pretty decent power armor set so i guess ill start getting ready for the switch to 1h, though I am concerned that 1h heavy wont be so great after the new patch.

After I'm done with my long sword http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=a8efa84867 should I sell it or keep it in case 2h becomes more prominent after the patch, if I sell it whats it worth?

Also my main question is how much better is gear that costs, say, 10k vs gear that costs 1m vs gear that costs 10m+. Is it really a big difference? I've done some basic comparisons and it seems like near perfect gear that is fully upgraded is only maybe 50% better than gear that I have. Once I start getting a couple mill would it be better to buy 1m gear pieces or save up for a big piece?

I can do everything but grindfest on PFUDOR easily, and I've spent around 900k total (100k rapier, 200k shield, 300k pants, 200k upgrade materials, 70k bazaar trash for other slots). So as I learned as of about a week ago, big >1m investments aren't necessary unless you really want that extra 2% clearing speed, or to be capable of more Grindfest rounds. I don't have personal experience with super expensive super upgraded gear, but it doesn't seem like it would have a huge impact, as long as you aren't maging.

If I were you, I'd use your funds from First Clear bonuses to buy less expensive 100k-300k equips, and then you can stick to that set until you get to a higher level and the next HV update arrives.
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post Jan 14 2015, 21:57
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My first set was very cheap. Second near 1-1.5m overall. What i got? Near 30% attack and some additional block/parry/weapon proc. So maybe overall its 50% better and its rly good upgrade. But next one with same price ll give me only few %. F.e. i have Emax shield and Mmax cost mostly 1m+. Difference is only 1.5% block. It also gives me a bit damage because counters with 1h, but its definitely very small upgrade. So something near Emax is perfect middle for all new players until 350+ lvl.
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post Jan 14 2015, 23:07
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Cool, I have another question do all the high levels 300+ constantly use infusions for their weapons and armor?

Also is 500 the level cap, i saw danixxx hit that.
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post Jan 14 2015, 23:11
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QUOTE(mastaninja @ Jan 15 2015, 00:07) *

Cool, I have another question do all the high levels 300+ constantly use infusions for their weapons and armor?


No. Specific infuse the armor never seemed useful to me.

Does anyone by the way infuse their armor?
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post Jan 14 2015, 23:16
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I always infuse my weapon, but infusing the armor is less useful. It does last longer though, I guess it can be useful for PFUDORfest.
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post Jan 14 2015, 23:19
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QUOTE(mastaninja @ Jan 14 2015, 22:07) *

Cool, I have another question do all the high levels 300+ constantly use infusions for their weapons and armor?

yesterday i used 6 infusions to clear two marathons in 30 minutes (at normal (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) ) and i almost never used them before. don't know if mages use them only for their staffs, but infusing one armor or a shield doesn't seem to give that much of an advantage like infusing a weapon may do
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post Jan 15 2015, 00:25
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QUOTE(Dan31 @ Jan 14 2015, 15:16) *

I always infuse my weapon, but infusing the armor is less useful. It does last longer though, I guess it can be useful for PFUDORfest.

I had been under the impression that with the Void Strike / Elemental Strike of an IW'd weapon, that hits the 2 strikes per weapon limit?

mastaninja: once you get to around level 300 something, or maybe before, you'll probably be using 1h/power, and survivability will simply stop being an issue for everything except the 1000 round Grindfest. So, infusions increasing defense won't be of much help.

Now, if you're using a different style, or playing as mage, it's usually significantly more difficult, so you may want to rely on infusions to play on higher difficulties until you get top-tier equipment.
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post Jan 15 2015, 00:30
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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Jan 15 2015, 01:25) *

I had been under the impression that with the Void Strike / Elemental Strike of an IW'd weapon, that hits the 2 strikes per weapon limit?


No. How you can see here, i infused my rapier with frost and get the frost strike, as 3th strike.

http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=8273237cf7
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post Jan 15 2015, 00:45
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QUOTE(Stulpen @ Jan 14 2015, 16:30) *

No. How you can see here, i infused my rapier with frost and get the frost strike, as 3th strike.

http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=8273237cf7

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post Jan 15 2015, 00:46
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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Jan 14 2015, 23:25) *

I had been under the impression that with the Void Strike / Elemental Strike of an IW'd weapon, that hits the 2 strikes per weapon limit?

the limit is 2 strikes plus the (eventual) one the weapon already has, for a maximum of 3.
IW10 permanently add a strike, so in this case with a prefixed weapon you can infuse only one other element, while with non-prefixed you can infuse other 2

other infusions exceeding this limit won't be used, at least until the first one disappears

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post Jan 15 2015, 01:33
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QUOTE(mastaninja @ Jan 14 2015, 23:07) *

Cool, I have another question do all the high levels 300+ constantly use infusions for their weapons and armor?

Also is 500 the level cap, i saw danixxx hit that.

I use enchantments for SG arenas and PFfest if I want to finish it.

For SG arenas, the SGs themselves have a massive stack of HP and are weak to Holy/Dark. Those infusions can save you a large amount of time (I estimate it to be ~20%, which is really significant).

For grindfest featherweights are decent. Reducing burden to <70 maximises your crit chance (for me that is ~4% more damage). Infusions are not too bad. The mana savings from ether shards really adds up. Together, it appears to make the run 4-7% faster. It actually allows me to finish it which is great for completeness sake. The massive downside is that you have to be able to commit a bunch of hours in one sitting.

Mages can also use the appropriate infusion (in battle) for a 25% damage increase for 25 turns. If this pushes you from 2-shotting to 1-shotting, or 3-shotting to 2-shotting then it is certainly worth it.
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post Jan 15 2015, 04:00
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I've been here for a while, but was skipping over anything non-mage. With upcoming patch, I guess I might need to diversify a bit. So I'm thinking of buying some melee equipment. Hopefully it won't be too expensive for decent basic E+ equipment.

I currently have approximately 0.00 proficiency in all melee weapon and armour deficiencies. But assuming proficiency is not a problem (since I have maxed assimilator), what kinds of equipment should I get at my level? With a budget of, say, 1m?
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QUOTE(mozilla browser @ Jan 15 2015, 03:00) *

I've been here for a while, but was skipping over anything non-mage. With upcoming patch, I guess I might need to diversify a bit. So I'm thinking of buying some melee equipment. Hopefully it won't be too expensive for decent basic E+ equipment.

I currently have approximately 0.00 proficiency in all melee weapon and armour deficiencies. But assuming proficiency is not a problem (since I have maxed assimilator), what kinds of equipment should I get at my level? With a budget of, say, 1m?

Hallowed/Ethereal/Demonic Rapier of Slaughter + Force Shield with high block + Power armor set.
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post Jan 15 2015, 04:25
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you're scared, but it seems to me that almost all goldstars and catgirls posting there are literally wetting themselves (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif)

not quite wetting the bed, but it boils my blood that my MANY very-close-to-end-game gear will be rendered useless or untradeable.

QUOTE(mozilla browser @ Jan 15 2015, 11:00) *

With upcoming patch, I guess I might need to diversify a bit. So I'm thinking of buying some melee equipment.
what kinds of equipment should I get at my level? With a budget of, say, 1m?

QUOTE(Dan31 @ Jan 15 2015, 11:09) *

Hallowed/Ethereal/Demonic Rapier of Slaughter + Force Shield with high block + Power armor set.

those are quite expensive, no? any Emax/Mmax rapier that is not hallowed/eth/dem is okay. MMmax>block >Emax. Finally, EMax>ADB>Smax power slaughter can be found. All in all should be ~1m.

Im considering doing the same; pick up some shitty pieces of mage gear to play with until level500.

If I this patch happens as we expect, and drops are plentiful, I won't waste creds on catalysts or materials or IW'ing anything. Just keep playing until I get the next gear and save for FoS (which will be supremely buffed). Awesome drops all the time means I won't have to keep running any H@H. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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post Jan 15 2015, 04:36
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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Jan 14 2015, 15:25) *

I had been under the impression that with the Void Strike / Elemental Strike of an IW'd weapon, that hits the 2 strikes per weapon limit?

The wiki is not technically wrong. Void has never been counted as an elemental damage type. Elemental only applies to the six other damage types.

Hollowforged or ethereal do not count against your two elemental strike limit.

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