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Yea. Take cloth armor, enter normal fest and just press down R until run out mana. Pot - R again.

i hv same situation about silence, depreciation proc just around 3.0, so just use any cloth armor set?

Hello, experts.
I have a question.
I use 1h shortsword with a kite shield. I am equipped with heavy armor.
This might seem like a dumb question it is about one particular ability.
I am thinking of spending some ability points on heavy slsh.
Can someone explain this ability to me?

This post has been edited by PersonaFan08: Jan 12 2015, 11:49

Hello, experts.
I have a question.
I use 1h shortsword with a kite shield. I am equipped with heavy armor.
This might seem like a dumb question it is about one particular ability.
I am thinking of spending some ability points on heavy slsh.
Can someone explain this ability to me?

increase your defense (mitigation) against mobs' slashing attacks. I recommend to prioritize on crushing then piercing if you have limited ap & credits.

May i ask can i use the quoted price to say salvage or sell?

Haven't seen MGWood go for more than 650c. People buy only Scrap Cloth and Wood for 90. Scrap Metal is 80-85c, and I haven't seen anyone buying Scrap Leather in WTB (salvage it only for self-use if you have a leather/shade set).

Other prices seem to be correct.

Haven't seen MGWood go for more than 650c. People buy only Scrap Cloth and Wood for 90. Scrap Metal is 80-85c, and I haven't seen anyone buying Scrap Leather in WTB (salvage it only for self-use if you have a leather/shade set).

Other prices seem to be correct.

THANKS!
or there is a script to help with the calculation?

This post has been edited by showoff: Jan 12 2015, 12:11

increase your defense (mitigation) against mobs' slashing attacks. I recommend to prioritize on crushing then piercing if you have limited ap & credits.

Thanks for the information, I have about 38 grand in credits after everything that happened to me and after defeating konata and manbearpig.
The only real problem I have now is zero spaces when I decide to buy them. I need more money and to buy manifest destiny to make room for them.

i'm not sure if that block worth the killing speed, almost never use 1h though.
You might want to find slaughter armors with smax adb, they're quite cheap

Attack is always better, specially for some small places like arena (not 1000 rounds of grindfest). Get maximum (pretty power slaughter set cost 500-700k). Kill all before they threaten. Its easy and fast. Get decent shield with block upgrade and you have more than enough.

Until now i have no idea the school girl at hell might have more hp than giant at RE pfudor,and there are shitload of them.I guess i understand now why many people use 1h chose force+power.Being faster wiping out opposition force could means not getting hit at all.

while you're at it, take a little time to raise your deprecating prof at 100 or more. not really mandatory, but you'll unlock magnet without much effort...

[edit]: and besides, your block is godlike, but your ADB is quite... uh... i guess there isn't a gentle way to say it (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

My deprecating prof will gradually raise,afterall i need imperil every now and then (IMG:[i600.photobucket.com] http://i600.photobucket.com/albums/tt86/bejosakit/hammer.gif)

i was on hiatus from december 2012~december 2014,iirc i could have sworn counter attack does significantly more dmg than 75% atk which is take care of my low adb,at least back then when mobs also have their own "spirit stance" while they are at N% hp.

i hv same situation about silence, depreciation proc just around 3.0, so just use any cloth armor set?

wiki says
"Magic proficiency increases when casting a spell of the specific type even if it misses/is resisted. The chance of gaining proficiency when using a spell is directly tied to the cost of the spell compared to the player's base magic points. Spells auto-casted via Innate Arcana can give an increase each turn that they are kept active."

So i dont know exact nubmers. For depr i used cloth armor with focus staff, because i couldnt even regen mp back with pot. My mana cost modifier is 166. Maybe with some lower amount its better than with lowest in time/prof rate. You can check it with some combat scripts or in character tab. Probably its better to spend few minutes for few runs in different equip and than continue with better.

wiki says
"Magic proficiency increases when casting a spell of the specific type even if it misses/is resisted. The chance of gaining proficiency when using a spell is directly tied to the cost of the spell compared to the player's base magic points. Spells auto-casted via Innate Arcana can give an increase each turn that they are kept active."

So i dont know exact nubmers. For depr i used cloth armor with focus staff, because i couldnt even regen mp back with pot. My mana cost modifier is 166. Maybe with some lower amount its better than with lowest in time/prof rate. You can check it with some combat scripts or in character tab. Probably its better to spend few minutes for few runs in different equip and than continue with better.

thanks for advice!
i will try to find a script to deal with this first

Is spamming weaken still the best way to train up Deprecating prof for silence?
And where should I spam? Currently I'm doing grindfest at normal, and feel like this training is such a waste of mana pots(even if it's only lesser/greater) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

i hv same situation about silence, depreciation proc just around 3.0, so just use any cloth armor set?

i suggest both of you to enter hit-and-run grindfest (which means to leave it as soon as you finish potions) at normal difficulty and spam weaken with the minimum cooldown you can access. to preserve the health of your tendons, use a script like spellspam or hoverplay; if 0-ccoldowns weaken isn't available yet, chain it with some other cheap deprecating spells like slow.
as for the gear, use cloth armors with high WIS to enlarge your mana pool. also, i suggest you to use an ethereal weapon rather than a staff to get rid of that grindprof-killing coalesced mana thing

i suggest both of you to enter hit-and-run grindfest (which means to leave it as soon as you finish potions) at normal difficulty and spam weaken with the minimum cooldown you can access. to preserve the health of your tendons, use a script like spellspam or hoverplay; if 0-ccoldowns weaken isn't available yet, chain it with some other cheap deprecating spells like slow.
as for the gear, use cloth armors with high WIS to enlarge your mana pool. also, i suggest you to use an ethereal weapon rather than a staff to get rid of that grindprof-killing coalesced mana thing

dual battlecaster wakizashis
badass mc & parry

dual battlecaster wakizashis
badass mc & parry

old-style shortsword of battlecaster + waki to raise mana pool even further (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

too bad i can't build a full set of phase of the owl though -.-"

This post has been edited by Scremaz: Jan 12 2015, 14:17

Counter resist = 50% * (prof factor-1)^1.5
Specific mitigation reduction should be the same. But I am not sure, as 10B didn't mention about its change. It was linear when it just introduced i.e.: 50% * (prof factor-1).

I've done some calculation. Does boosting proficiency to gain counter-resist work out well? With the above exponential factor, most of the counter-resist gains come at the higher proficiency factors. 1.25 factor leads to just ~ 6% counter-resist; 1.5 factor ~ 17%; 1.75 factor ~ 32%; 2 factor ~ 50%.

My staff with Lmax proficiency grants 0.25 factor. If upgraded to L25, it would grant ~0.31 factor. If upgraded to L50, it would be ~ .34 factor. That means I'd need 2 similar pieces of Lmax proficiency cloth + L50 upgrade to reach ~ 2.0 proficiency factor. Or 3-4 pieces of Mmax+ cloth + upgrades to do similar. The effect on EDB would be pretty large... Does this make sense, or have I done my math wrong?

BTW, my connection to This forum and HV is very bad during the past few hours. Is it just me or the e-hentai server got some problem?

Sorry, I fell asleep soon after my previous post...

I've done some calculation. Does boosting proficiency to gain counter-resist work out well? With the above exponential factor, most of the counter-resist gains come at the higher proficiency factors. 1.25 factor leads to just ~ 6% counter-resist; 1.5 factor ~ 17%; 1.75 factor ~ 32%; 2 factor ~ 50%.

My staff with Lmax proficiency grants 0.25 factor. If upgraded to L25, it would grant ~0.31 factor. If upgraded to L50, it would be ~ .34 factor. That means I'd need 2 similar pieces of Lmax proficiency cloth + L50 upgrade to reach ~ 2.0 proficiency factor. Or 3-4 pieces of Mmax+ cloth + upgrades to do similar. The effect on EDB would be pretty large... Does this make sense, or have I done my math wrong?
Sorry, I fell asleep soon after my previous post...

Are you sure your staff having Lmax prof ? My holy staff in the signature only require 1 mag leggings cotton to reach 200%

This post has been edited by Colman: Jan 12 2015, 16:11

Is spamming weaken still the best way to train up Deprecating prof for silence?
And where should I spam? Currently I'm doing grindfest at normal, and feel like this training is such a waste of mana pots(even if it's only lesser/greater) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

as for the gear, use cloth armors with high WIS to enlarge your mana pool. also, i suggest you to use an ethereal weapon rather than a staff to get rid of that grindprof-killing coalesced mana thing

Once you get proficiency to around 50% or so of your level, or once you stop gaining proficiency every 2 or 3 turns, you might switch to gear with more interference and less Wisdom. Your average proficiency gain per potion will be similar, but you'll be gaining it in 3/4ths or 2/3s of the time.

On a similar topic, if you ever feel like leveling up Elemental or Divine or Forbidden (like for Spirit Theft or something) and want to do it fast, find a <170 PXP equip and play on BT or IWBTH. The mobs will do even less damage than in Grindfest.

The only real problem I have now is zero spaces when I decide to buy them. I need more money and to buy manifest destiny to make room for them.

At your level, definitely avoid Manifest Destiny. You need those 1m credits to buy decent starting equipment, and you can get additional mastery points very easily just by playing (+1 every 10 levels).

Those who might consider getting Manifest Destiny are level 300+ guys (waiting for 10 levels up starts taking a long time then) who already have great gear or have a huge surplus of credits from H@H or something.

No. Proficiency gain rate is affected by your Assimilator training (don't get this)

Is it that you don't get why it works this way, or are you suggesting he shouldn't get Assimilator?

too bad i can't build a full set of phase of the owl though -.-"

Which pieces are you missing? And what's your minimum acceptable quality level? I may still have some owl phase left in my inventory but don't expect too much...

Are you sure your staff having Lmax prof ? My holy staff in the signature only require 1 mag leggings cotton to reach 200%

Yeah, but I should have been clearer that it is not a proficiency staff.

I guess what I'm saying is - there's a balance between more damage (MDB + EDB), and counter-resist through proficiency and using an equipment slot for one means we can't use it for the other. I thought conventional wisdom is MDB>EDB>proficiency. Is it worth using up these slots for proficiency? And unlike damage bonus, where each bit of MDB/EDB adds up linearly, targeting counter-resist means I'd really need to go all the way to 2.00 factor, cos 1.8 factor is quite far off.

Is it that you don't get why it works this way, or are you suggesting he shouldn't get Assimilator?

He's saying don't get Assimilator cos it's useless (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

as for the gear, use cloth armors with high WIS to enlarge your mana pool. also, i suggest you to use an ethereal weapon rather than a staff to get rid of that grindprof-killing coalesced mana thing

dual battlecaster wakizashis
badass mc & parry

old-style shortsword of battlecaster + waki to raise mana pool even further (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

too bad i can't build a full set of phase of the owl though -.-"

So should i use a hit parry waki on off hand n shortsword on main hand?
if i do hv only waki, should i just take one weapon n a shield?

Once you get proficiency to around 50% or so of your level, or once you stop gaining proficiency every 2 or 3 turns, you might switch to gear with more interference and less Wisdom. Your average proficiency gain per potion will be similar, but you'll be gaining it in 3/4ths or 2/3s of the time.

On a similar topic, if you ever feel like leveling up Elemental or Divine or Forbidden (like for Spirit Theft or something) and want to do it fast, find a <170 PXP equip and play on BT or IWBTH. The mobs will do even less damage than in Grindfest.

thx for suggestion!!

The only real problem I have now is zero spaces when I decide to buy them. I need more money and to buy manifest destiny to make room for them.

don't do it! it's very expensive and almost useless, as latanium pointed out. surely there is some abilities that give you less benefits than others, unslot them first

On a similar topic, if you ever feel like leveling up Elemental or Divine or Forbidden (like for Spirit Theft or something) and want to do it fast, find a <170 PXP equip and play on BT or IWBTH. The mobs will do even less damage than in Grindfest.

i have a couple of 158 PXP gears, i may try with them then (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif)

Is it that you don't get why it works this way, or are you suggesting he shouldn't get Assimilator?
Which pieces are you missing? And what's your minimum acceptable quality level? I may still have some owl phase left in my inventory but don't expect too much...

only have shoes, they are fine quality and WIS can be compared to a today LMax gear (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)
don't have a minimum quality requirement, simply PM what you want to sell and i'll tell you whether i'm interested or not. also some other oldies if you still have them, my collection needs to grow (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

So should i use a hit parry waki on off hand n shortsword on main hand?
if i do hv only waki, should i just take one weapon n a shield?

personally i went DW because the weapons with WIS i own have more parry and less BUR than the 2H i own. at low difficulties whatever style you pick is good enough, just don't raise too much BUR (otherwise it will affect your evade)

This post has been edited by Scremaz: Jan 12 2015, 17:08

personally i went DW because the weapons with WIS i own have more parry and less BUR than the 2H i own. at low difficulties whatever style you pick is good enough, just don't raise too much BUR (otherwise it will affect your evade)

Gotcha!