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Jan 11 2015, 06:24
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clarkiest
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QUOTE Neither, once you get to... 300? And with decent equips you shouldn't need to use either. Interesting. But what do you mean by decent equipments? End-game equipment is out of my buying power. Way out! These are what I could manage, Fiery Rapier, Force Shield, Warding, Prot, Prot, Stoneskin, Prot.' This set still need almost 100 turns against schoolgirls on nintendo. I quickly run out of mana and spirit because of that. ---- QUOTE You can use Focus to recover mana so there's no point to ether theft for melee. Ah, yes indeed. ---- QUOTE but if you're like me and don't have great equipment, Spirit Theft can compensate for the significant spirit usage. I can't use "search member's post" to find out what your equipments are, if they've ever posted. This post has been edited by clarkiest: Jan 11 2015, 06:38
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Jan 11 2015, 06:51
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Superlatanium
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QUOTE(clarkiest @ Jan 10 2015, 22:24)  I can't use "search member's post" to find out what your equipments are, if they've ever posted. Doesn't matter all that much for your situation - use Spirit Theft if you're running out of spirit and dying and don't mind the tedium of setting it up, don't use Spirit Theft if you aren't. If you don't have a strong urge to play on the highest difficulty setting you can possibly manage, you might avoid Spirit Theft altogether for easier play, despite having less potential in long battle series. I'm using 1hshieldhelmetbodyhandslegsfeetBazaar-level for the most part, but Spirit Theft + Focus provides me the ability to play PFUDOR on anything.
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Jan 11 2015, 06:56
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Dammon
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QUOTE(clarkiest @ Jan 10 2015, 20:24)  Interesting. But what do you mean by decent equipments? End-game equipment is out of my buying power. Way out! These are what I could manage, Fiery Rapier, Force Shield, Warding, Prot, Prot, Stoneskin, Prot.' This set still need almost 100 turns against schoolgirls on nintendo. I quickly run out of mana and spirit because of that. The schoolgirls are highly resistant to non-void damage types. You'll want to find an ethereal weapon or IW that rapier to level 10 if you want to clear those arenas more quickly.
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Jan 11 2015, 08:16
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TygerTyger
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QUOTE(clarkiest @ Jan 11 2015, 15:24)  Interesting. But what do you mean by decent equipments? End-game equipment is out of my buying power. Way out! These are what I could manage, Fiery Rapier, Force Shield, Warding, Prot, Prot, Stoneskin, Prot.' This set still need almost 100 turns against schoolgirls on nintendo. I quickly run out of mana and spirit because of that. ---- Ah, yes indeed. ---- I can't use "search member's post" to find out what your equipments are, if they've ever posted. Yeah, so get your rapier to IW10, get an MMAX force shield, and power slaughter armor. Power slaughter armor isn't really that expensive you can usually get them anywhere between 50k-300k if you're lucky.
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Jan 11 2015, 10:30
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nec1986
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Yea. Quite decent equip cost only 150-300k. After that gap to 1-10m for M-L grade, but base difference isnt big and probably affects only max upgrade.
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Jan 11 2015, 10:58
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TygerTyger
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QUOTE(nec1986 @ Jan 11 2015, 19:30)  Yea. Quite decent equip cost only 150-300k. After that gap to 1-10m for M-L grade, but base difference isnt big and probably affects only max upgrade.
No it would be more for the MMAX or LMAX ADB and they range from 20m+
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Jan 11 2015, 11:03
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nec1986
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Btw. Is it just luck or some small training in lotd? Both? http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=3d502ad79cAnd i also got some m grade too. My drop looks much higher last time. Im looking for some specific formulas, but admin said only about some vague nubmers like 373L for last 1m equip roll.
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Jan 11 2015, 12:46
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clarkiest
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QUOTE Yeah, so get your rapier to IW10, get an MMAX force shield, and power slaughter armor. Died twice from IW Battletoad due to carelessness. Didn't activate spark since its still round 20-ish. Mobs so easy I was caught by surprise. Lag internet helps too, killing myself that is. --- QUOTE No it would be more for the MMAX or LMAX ADB and they range from 20m+ I guess, that's fair price since buyer already prepared to buy millions upon millions worth of material to upgrade them. I myself, have spent 400k-ish buying stuffs (kata-waki and some more), and that's enough to deplete me. Also, tomorrow is weekday, no arena diving to replenish them. --- All in all, thanks for the advice.
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Jan 11 2015, 12:48
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Colman
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QUOTE(clarkiest @ Jan 11 2015, 18:46)  Died twice from IW Battletoad due to carelessness. Didn't activate spark since its still round 20-ish. Mobs so easy I was caught by surprise. Lag internet helps too, killing myself that is.
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I guess, that's fair price since buyer already prepared to buy millions upon millions worth of material to upgrade them. I myself, have spent 400k-ish buying stuffs (kata-waki and some more), and that's enough to deplete me. Also, tomorrow is weekday, no arena diving to replenish them.
--- All in all, thanks for the advice.
I use SpellSpam also when I am using 1h. It can stop the next attack when hp is low. BTW, you should get one Exq ethereal rapier of slaughter or Mag+ ethereal rapier of balance first. IWing Mag gear at your level and with your current gear is hard.
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Jan 11 2015, 13:58
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TygerTyger
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QUOTE(clarkiest @ Jan 11 2015, 21:46)  Died twice from IW Battletoad due to carelessness. Didn't activate spark since its still round 20-ish. Mobs so easy I was caught by surprise. Lag internet helps too, killing myself that is.
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I guess, that's fair price since buyer already prepared to buy millions upon millions worth of material to upgrade them. I myself, have spent 400k-ish buying stuffs (kata-waki and some more), and that's enough to deplete me. Also, tomorrow is weekday, no arena diving to replenish them.
--- All in all, thanks for the advice.
No it would be MMAX or LMAX BASE ADB so It would be without upgrades. QUOTE(Colman @ Jan 11 2015, 21:48)  I use SpellSpam also when I am using 1h. It can stop the next attack when hp is low. BTW, you should get one Exq ethereal rapier of slaughter or Mag+ ethereal rapier of balance first. IWing Mag gear at your level and with your current gear is hard.
I'll do it for 50k and even lend you a replacement while I'm doing it. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) (Only for special occasions)
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Jan 11 2015, 14:55
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(p3epe @ Jan 11 2015, 05:51)  Doesn't matter all that much for your situation - use Spirit Theft if you're running out of spirit and dying and don't mind the tedium of setting it up, don't use Spirit Theft if you aren't. If you don't have a strong urge to play on the highest difficulty setting you can possibly manage, you might avoid Spirit Theft altogether for easier play, despite having less potential in long battle series. I'm using 1hshieldhelmetbodyhandslegsfeetBazaar-level for the most part, but Spirit Theft + Focus provides me the ability to play PFUDOR on anything. imo you should get rid of those shieldings (especially gauntlets) and go for some powers: your firepower will grow, your BUR will lower and your block wouldn't be affected so much. on the other side, you mentioned you use disintegrate to proc spirit theft, is it right? why not ragnarok? didn't you achieve it yet or disintegrate is already good enough? QUOTE(Colman @ Jan 11 2015, 11:48)  Mag+ ethereal rapier of balance
really? is it viable? i mean, i know that the difference in firepower would be quite low, but what particular reason to go for mag of balance? cheaper? better PABs? both?
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Jan 11 2015, 15:43
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clarkiest
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QUOTE really? is it viable? i mean, i know that the difference in firepower would be quite low, but what particular reason to go for mag of balance? cheaper? better PABs? both? Won't be cheaper. Ethereal rapier of balance is first choice for DW offhand, -- QUOTE I'll do it for 50k and even lend you a replacement while I'm doing it. (Only for special occasions) Thanks for the offer, but credit's dry, -- QUOTE I use SpellSpam also when I am using 1h. It can stop the next attack when hp is low. Script can prevent you from risky attack? News for me o.O Also, I became more intrigued by level 300 survival chance,,
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Jan 11 2015, 15:52
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mozilla browser
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QUOTE(Colman @ Jan 11 2015, 18:48)  IWing Mag gear at your level and with your current gear is hard.
I know that wasn't directed at me... Is it normal for mages at my level to be having problems IW'ing Legendary gear @ nightmare? I need my full array of mana and spirit pots to survive, so on those occasions where I've used cure and full cure and spark procs on a turn where regen doesn't work and I don't have overcharge to use on defend... Sounds like the stars and moon must align for this, but it's apparently happening quite frequently. On the bright side, I'll hopefully make it to level 310 by next week. Not sure if it's as simple as "cast Imperil for 3 rounds on 9 mobs, then use my rotation of damage-dealing spells"? This post has been edited by mozilla browser: Jan 11 2015, 15:57
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Jan 11 2015, 15:55
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TygerTyger
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QUOTE(mozilla browser @ Jan 12 2015, 00:52)  I know that wasn't directed at me...
Is it normal for mages at my level to be having problems IW'ing Legendary gear @ nightmare? I need my full array of mana and spirit pots to survive, so on those occasions where I've used cure and full cure and spark procs on a turn where regen doesn't work and I don't have overcharge to use on defend... Sounds like the stars and moon must align for this, but it's apparently happening quite frequently.
Legendary? I don't think you'd be able to do it as a 'normal' mage.
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Jan 11 2015, 16:11
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(mozilla browser @ Jan 11 2015, 14:52)  I know that wasn't directed at me...
Is it normal for mages at my level to be having problems IW'ing Legendary gear @ nightmare? I need my full array of mana and spirit pots to survive, so on those occasions where I've used cure and full cure and spark procs on a turn where regen doesn't work and I don't have overcharge to use on defend... Sounds like the stars and moon must align for this, but it's apparently happening quite frequently.
On the bright side, I'll hopefully make it to level 310 by next week. Not sure if it's as simple as "cast Imperil for 3 rounds on 9 mobs, then use my rotation of damage-dealing spells"?
many mages preferred to IW their gears with 1H and then use them, just FYI
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Jan 11 2015, 16:35
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nec1986
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Hm...it was quite tough to iw even 59 rounds e-grade with 1h (dont remember, near 310-315lvl) on iwbth. Probably legendary is much harder...80 rounds?
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Jan 11 2015, 16:36
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(nec1986 @ Jan 11 2015, 15:35)  Hm...it was quite tough to iw even 59 rounds e-grade with 1h (dont remember, near 310-315lvl) on iwbth. Probably legendary is much harder...80 rounds?
80 rounds for the lower-PXP legs, iirc This post has been edited by Scremaz: Jan 11 2015, 16:37
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Jan 11 2015, 16:47
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mozilla browser
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QUOTE(TygerTyger @ Jan 11 2015, 21:55)  Legendary? I don't think you'd be able to do it as a 'normal' mage.
What do you mean by 'normal'? But I guess your answer is that it is expected to have difficulty IW'ing Legendary stuff at my current level 286. I actually did the Lvl 0-10 run for atomicpuppy's 73-IW-round Leg equipment a week ago. Did it partway at Hell, then found I had to do the rest at Nightmare. For my own 86-IW-round equipment, even Nightmare is deadly challenging. QUOTE(Scremaz @ Jan 11 2015, 22:11)  many mages preferred to IW their gears with 1H and then use them, just FYI
Yeah, but I skipped the melee part and have played mage all the way. Against advice, I'd agree. Wait, are you saying that even Lvl 400+ mages still IW with melee gear? Or are you referring to the melee players who had just reached the level (310+) where it is commonly advised to switch to mage?
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Jan 11 2015, 16:51
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Colman
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QUOTE(mozilla browser @ Jan 11 2015, 22:47)  What do you mean by 'normal'?
But I guess your answer is that it is expected to have difficulty IW'ing Legendary stuff at my current level 286. I actually did the Lvl 0-10 run for atomicpuppy's 73-IW-round Leg equipment a week ago. Did it partway at Hell, then found I had to do the rest at Nightmare. For my own 86-IW-round equipment, even Nightmare is deadly challenging. Yeah, but I skipped the melee part and have played mage all the way. Against advice, I'd agree.
Wait, are you saying that even Lvl 400+ mages still IW with melee gear? Or are you referring to the melee players who had just reached the level (310+) where it is commonly advised to switch to mage?
I dunno what's your gear so I cannot tell. I like to use prof gears and it work very well at Hell. You may try. To make IW fast, I always use holy for IW. Even if it need 100 rounds per run.
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Jan 11 2015, 16:58
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(mozilla browser @ Jan 11 2015, 15:47)  Wait, are you saying that even Lvl 400+ mages still IW with melee gear? Or are you referring to the melee players who had just reached the level (310+) where it is commonly advised to switch to mage?
i'm pretty sure there's some lv400 that does it. or at least did while he was trying to IW a good mage set.
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