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The Strike of the offhand weapon isn't that important since it deals less damage in the first place. Also, do you have nice potencies on your weapons?

Legendary Ethereal Club of Slaughter
Legendary Ethereal Rapier of Balance
I guess that it would have ben better if the potencies were switched, or not?

This post has been edited by Mantra64: Jan 10 2015, 10:55

Heavy armor make it even worse. One magic attack and SoL will be triggered.
TBH, after a certain level, only 1H is viable for melee. 2H fall behind too much in both attack and defense power. DW is only useful in arena.
Though I mostly use holy in the past few months, (more precisely, I do not play much at all (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) ), I am still buying various melee gears for testing. And the result tell me that 2H is completely dead, at least for non-ethereal weapon. DW is much poorer than elemental mage (cold and electric) in all area.

i can't play almost at all either.
As far as i see, what makes melee succeed is the stun. Like i ever said somewhere: noway beating this game without frd.
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How many turns it takes to clear a round with full mobs with 1h?
I wanna compare, with my leather niten set it takes 45ish with safety from almost nonstop total stun. It should be slower, too much sacrifice.

Magnificent Ethereal Rapier of Slaughter
Magnificent Arctic Wakizashi of Slaughter
Magnificent Hallowed Wakizashi of Slaughter
Magnificent Tempestuous Wakizashi of Slaughter
Legendary Demonic Wakizashi of Slaughter
Magnificent Ethereal Longsword of Slaughter

Are these good or crap?

give me the demonic waki

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This post has been edited by Dead-ed: Jan 10 2015, 11:12

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Are these good or crap?

bazaar the crap or salvage if you need the metals

Legendary Ethereal Club of Slaughter
Legendary Ethereal Rapier of Balance
I guess that it would have ben better if the potencies were switched, or not?

the potencies are pretty good imo, but if you were going to reforge anything i'd say make it the rapier. OP 5 is pretty useless when you have a club; get more SS or fatality.
if you're not poor, getting dark/holy strike isn't necessary imo since you can always infuse weapons.

This post has been edited by something: Jan 10 2015, 11:15

So you telling me that it doesn't really matter which elemental strike I have?

Holy and Dark strikes aside, Wind and Elec strikes are slightly better than others due to the sheer amount of giants.
I suspect gc will train a lot more arthropods in the future, and at that time Cold strike can be on par with Wind/Elec strike.

This post has been edited by djackallstar: Jan 10 2015, 11:21

i can't play almost at all either.
As far as i see, what makes melee succeed is the stun. Like i ever said somewhere: noway beating this game without frd.
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How many turns it takes to clear a round with full mobs with 1h?
I wanna compare, with my leather niten set it takes 45ish with safety from almost nonstop total stun. It should be slower, too much sacrifice.

give me the demonic waki

Ok but are the rest good or crap?

i can't play almost at all either.
As far as i see, what makes melee succeed is the stun. Like i ever said somewhere: noway beating this game without frd.
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How many turns it takes to clear a round with full mobs with 1h?
I wanna compare, with my leather niten set it takes 45ish with safety from almost nonstop total stun. It should be slower, too much sacrifice.

I seldom use 1H recently. If I remember correctly, it should be around 40 turns per PF round. Shorter in arena. No OFC/FRD. Only normal hit.

How many turns it takes to clear a round with full mobs with 1h?
I wanna compare, with my leather niten set it takes 45ish with safety from almost nonstop total stun. It should be slower, too much sacrifice.

I'm using a non full power setup (3 slaughter, 2 plate of protection), and using OFC every 2-3 rounds.
I just did five rounds in 168 turns (round 664 pfufest). Which is ~34 turns/round. Not significantly better, but
the safety lets me get far in PFUfest (my current goal is beating it).

If you want to beat PFUfest, you pretty much have to go 1H/mage. PFU arenas can be beaten on almost every style, and I'm pretty sure the America wielder can wreck hellfest so fast its not funny.

Edit:typo

This post has been edited by m118w11: Jan 10 2015, 11:34

treesloth revealed that relying on evade & parry is useless now.
Seriously nimble?

actually i don't know the optimal waki for niten. all I can say is that shade evade and nimble waki isn't that great. i'm trying balance waki to see if just killing faster is a better choice.

2H fall behind too much in both attack and defense power.

As far as i see, what makes melee succeed is the stun. Like i ever said somewhere: noway beating this game without frd.

After trying estoc +shade+FRD (20% attack speed, 55% evade, 7800attack), it's not terrible. At the beginning of each round, I hit the middle monster a couple times to proc 1x-3x PA on all monsters, then use FRD to stun, then finish them off while they're stunned.

For Mace+shade, I Great cleave something, then Rending Blow, then try to finish them off. This method is considerably slower than estoc+FRD, but works ok, and is safer.

bazaar the crap or salvage if you need the metals
the potencies are pretty good imo, but if you were going to reforge anything i'd say make it the rapier. OP 5 is pretty useless when you have a club; get more SS or fatality.
if you're not poor, getting dark/holy strike isn't necessary imo since you can always infuse weapons.

mainhand without butcher is not good. & i agree that it's better to use infusion for ethereal

Ok but are the rest good or crap?

the rapier is good, i don't know how good it is, can't see the base stats with a phone.
If i were you, i'll sell the longsword @100k & 50k for the mag wakizashis. For the legendary, i'll keep it for when i wanna toy with try niten. I got one from d's auction & better to stick with it, give me peerless next time.

actually i don't know the optimal waki for niten. all I can say is that shade evade and nimble waki isn't that great. i'm trying balance waki to see if just killing faster is a better choice.
After trying estoc +shade+FRD (20% attack speed, 55% evade, 7800attack), it's not terrible. At the beginning of each round, I hit the middle monster a couple times to proc 1x-3x PA on all monsters, then use FRD to stun, then finish them off while they're stunned.

For Mace+shade, I Great cleave something, then Rending Blow, then try to finish them off. This method is considerably slower than estoc+FRD, but works ok, and is safer.

I do not have a good ethereal estoc right now. I salvaged my old one for credits (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) . I used the estoc in my signature to test. It kill slower than 1H in all mode. Its defense is........ 2+ heal in each round in Hellfest ~ round 300.

Mace set is rather safe in most of the situation. The major problem is its speed. Its is so slow............
And I found that I cannot clear Hellfest with mace. Mostly killed ~900 rounds.

This post has been edited by Colman: Jan 10 2015, 12:30

actually i don't know the optimal waki for niten. all I can say is that shade evade and nimble waki isn't that great. i'm trying balance waki to see if just killing faster is a better choice.

i was wrong then.
I believe you'll get instant 100% os with unforged balance waki, such a waste of quality imo. Better to go slaughter since the penaltized damage is applied to domino strike other than relying on offhand strike since it hits only the primary target.

After trying estoc +shade+FRD (20% attack speed, 55% evade, 7800attack), it's not terrible. At the beginning of each round, I hit the middle monster a couple times to proc 1x-3x PA on all monsters, then use FRD to stun, then finish them off while they're stunned.

For Mace+shade, I Great cleave something, then Rending Blow, then try to finish them off. This method is considerably slower than estoc+FRD, but works ok, and is safer.

isn't building multistack pa is risky?, at new round with full mobs.
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what is the effect of regen bonus actually?
Kinda surprised that a gold member can clear pfudor arena with balance katana & superior shades (by assuming this is true).

I do not have a good ethereal estoc right now.
Mace set is rather safe in most of the situation. The major problem is its speed. Its is so slow............

Neither do I, I'm using Leg fiery estoc with 14 burden before feather shard. I do have a decent Mag eth estoc I'd like to sell you for 2m. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

isn't building multistack pa is risky?, at new round with full mobs.

Somewhat safe since their magic/spirit bar is not yet filled to the max. it's their t2/t3 special physical attacks that hurt shade.

Seriously nimble?

why not? a boost to parry isn't that bad. btw, has nobody ever tried shade + waki of swiftness?

So you telling me that it doesn't really matter which elemental strike I have?

yup. actually with those strikes you can deal with arthropods and dragonkins (which is a nice thing) + with giants and mechanoids (which is another good thing). basically, you weren't so unlucky

Legendary Ethereal Club of Slaughter
Legendary Ethereal Rapier of Balance
I guess that it would have ben better if the potencies were switched, or not?

let's say that those 3 butcher on the rapier are pretty useless, yep. try to go for fatality 5 and whatever else happen is good enough

Neither do I, I'm using Leg fiery estoc with 14 burden before feather shard. I do have a decent Mag eth estoc I'd like to sell you for 2m. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Bidding one in Aria's auction (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
I think I can get one below 2m, if no one play with me. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

what is the effect of regen bonus actually?

Gold star regen bonus is the same as RR. It can be stacked with RR as well.

Kinda surprised that a gold member can clear pfudor arena with balance katana & superior shades (by assuming this is true).

Non-gold member also can do that. It is not hard.

This post has been edited by Colman: Jan 10 2015, 13:49

Bidding one in Aria's auction (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
I think I can get one below 2m, if no one play with me. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
Gold star regen bonus is the same as RR. It can be stacked with RR as well.
Non-gold member also can do that. It is not hard.

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And as long as you're high enough level you can do anything. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Non-gold member also can do that. It is not hard.

i forgot that i use so few pots now.
Iirc, he has much lower parry, evade, & pmi than my negation set. He can, but it should be not comfortable.

why not? a boost to parry isn't that bad. btw, has nobody ever tried shade + waki of swiftness?
yup. actually with those strikes you can deal with arthropods and dragonkins (which is a nice thing) + with giants and mechanoids (which is another good thing). basically, you weren't so unlucky
let's say that those 3 butcher on the rapier are pretty useless, yep. try to go for fatality 5 and whatever else happen is good enough

I will reforge the rapier and get some Swift Strike and Fatality potencies. And maybe holy or dark strike. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)

i forgot that i use so few pots now.
Iirc, he has much lower parry, evade, & pmi than my negation set. He can, but it should be not comfortable.

He have IAs, and high attack.

is there a script for logging the total damage caused by an individual monster?

I guess that way you can know which one has a higher priority to be dealt with?

This post has been edited by coreguy: Jan 10 2015, 17:37